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Re: Zionism
Reply #330 - Feb 24th, 2023 at 10:16am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2023 at 7:16am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 9:52pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 9:22pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 11:56am:
freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2023 at 6:15pm:
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The difference between us is I recognize the need for international law, you don't.


The difference is I am not absurdly naive about international law.


translation: you accept war as the means to settle disputes between nations.

Good luck......in the age of MAD....


Do you have reading comprehension difficulties?


No, but your contempt for life is palpable: live by the sword, die by the sword.


Perhaps you are just on a different planet.


I'm just the messenger reminding you of 'Doc' Evatt: accept rule of law - or be complicit in the extinction of life on this planet, in the age of MAD.
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Reply #331 - Feb 24th, 2023 at 10:20am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 24th, 2023 at 10:16am:
freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2023 at 7:16am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 9:52pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 9:22pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 11:56am:
freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2023 at 6:15pm:
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The difference between us is I recognize the need for international law, you don't.


The difference is I am not absurdly naive about international law.


translation: you accept war as the means to settle disputes between nations.

Good luck......in the age of MAD....


Do you have reading comprehension difficulties?


No, but your contempt for life is palpable: live by the sword, die by the sword.


Perhaps you are just on a different planet.


I'm just the messenger reminding you of 'Doc' Evatt: accept rule of law - or be complicit in the extinction of life on this planet, in the age of MAD.


You are a messenger for your own delusions. Calling you naive does not mean someone supports violence. It just means they think you are naive.
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Reply #332 - Feb 24th, 2023 at 1:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2023 at 10:20am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 24th, 2023 at 10:16am:
freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2023 at 7:16am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 9:52pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 9:22pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 11:56am:
freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2023 at 6:15pm:
Quote:
The difference between us is I recognize the need for international law, you don't.


The difference is I am not absurdly naive about international law.


translation: you accept war as the means to settle disputes between nations.

Good luck......in the age of MAD....


Do you have reading comprehension difficulties?


No, but your contempt for life is palpable: live by the sword, die by the sword.


Perhaps you are just on a different planet.


I'm just the messenger reminding you of 'Doc' Evatt: accept rule of law - or be complicit in the extinction of life on this planet, in the age of MAD.


You are a messenger for your own delusions. Calling you naive does not mean someone supports violence. It just means they think you are naive.


Wrong of course.

"All must submit to rule of law, for all to be free": Cicero.

You support violence to protect YOUR "freedom".

Hence the insanity of engaging war in Ukraine to protect YOUR freedom, when rule of law could be instituted to protect everyone's freedom, as realized by Evatt at the dawn of the age of MAD.
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Reply #333 - Feb 24th, 2023 at 2:07pm
 
So instead of supporting the Ukrainians against Russia's illegal invasion, you think that instead we should just make their illegal invasion illegal.

And then what?
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Reply #334 - Feb 25th, 2023 at 2:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2023 at 2:07pm:
So instead of supporting the Ukrainians against Russia's illegal invasion, you think that instead we should just make their illegal invasion illegal.

And then what?


We should make ALL war illegal, just as the US invasion of Iraq was illegal.

But inferior minds** who can't see principles beyond their own conception of 'freedom' reject superior minds like Cicero and Evatt who know freedom for all can only be achieved under law. 

**eg Putin, who thinks he is engaging in a "defensive" - and hence 'legal' war;  and the inferior minds who are willing to sacrifice their own people and country on the delusion of 'freedom', in wars which are the natural outcome of the lack of an international rules-based system. 

The UNSC would then be tasked with implementing the decisions of an ICJ, overruling the obsolete concept of 'national sovereignty' in matters relating to international dispute. 
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Reply #335 - Feb 25th, 2023 at 5:05pm
 
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We should make ALL war illegal


So it should be illegal to use your military to defend yourself? Instead you should put your hand up and say "um, this is illegal". And wait for someone to rescue you, by some kind of legal means?
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Reply #336 - Feb 26th, 2023 at 7:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 7:05am:
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Influential rabbis, who have a considerable following among Israeli army officers, identify the Palestinians (or even all Arabs) with those ancient nations


Do these "Influential rabbis" have a name?

And are they actually offering an interpretation of the text?


By snipping most of my post(s) you are doing nothing but grasping at straws.
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Reply #337 - Feb 26th, 2023 at 7:30pm
 
Why Do Jews Commit Massacres?


by Christopher Bollyn

June 12, 2010

From the reign of Nero to that of Antoninus Pius, the Jews discovered a fierce impatience of the dominion of Rome, which repeatedly broke out in the most furious massacres and insurrections.  Humanity is shocked at the recital of the horrid cruelties which they committed in the cities of Egypt, of Cyprus, and of Cyrene, where they dwelt in treacherous friendship with the unsuspecting natives, and we are tempted to applaud the severe retaliation which was exercised by the arms of the legions against a race of fanatics whose dire and credulous superstition seemed to render them the implacable enemies not only of the Roman government, but of human kind.
- Edward Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (1776)

"THE BEST OF THE GENTILES - KILL HIM"

Humanity is shocked, once again, by the Israeli massacre of nine peace activists on the Gaza-bound Freedom Flotilla on Memorial Day.  Eyewitness testimony and the evidence indicate that unarmed victims, including one American teenager, were executed in cold blood.    

Shocking Israeli massacres of unarmed civilians are actually very common and frequent.  During Christmas of 2008, for example, the Israeli military (headed by Ehud Barak) launched a criminal assault against the defenseless population of the Gaza Strip, killing some 1,400 civilians – many with white phosphorus and other banned weapons.  Although a U.N. investigation determined that Israeli forces committed a raft of war crimes during the assault, neither the prime minister nor the defense minister Ehud Barak was charged with war crimes.

Like a large criminal gang, most Israeli leaders, including president Shimon Peres, have been involved in the commission of war crimes.  Peres, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize (and father of Israel's nuclear weapons arsenal) is actually a colossal criminal.  He was, for example, prime minister during the 1996 invasion of Lebanon when Israeli forces targeted the U.N. base near Cana (Qana) killing scores of refugees who had sought shelter with the United Nations.

Massacres and "ethnic cleansing" are central to Zionist history.  The Zionist state is built on the land and villages of Palestinians who were either killed outright or forced into exile.  Some four hundred Palestinian towns and villages were ethnically cleansed during the Zionist conquest of Palestine in 1947-1948.  Israeli forces have continued to perpetrate massacres during the six decades since.  Why do Israelis commit so many massacres?

Non-Jews cannot understand why Jews commit massacres without understanding Jewish morals and laws about killing non-Jews.  Although it may be difficult to fathom, Jewish rabbinical law permits Jews to kill non-Jews - without penalty.  Israeli soldiers are actually instructed to kill non-Jewish civilians - whenever they come across them:

When our forces come across civilians during a war or in hot pursuit or in a raid, so long as there is no certainty that those civilians are incapable of harming our forces, then according to the Halakhah they may and even should be killed ... Under no circumstances should an Arab be trusted, even if he makes an impression of being civilized ... In war, when our forces storm the enemy, they are allowed and even enjoined by the Halakhah to kill even good civilians, that is, civilians who are ostensibly good.
  - In the Wake of the Yom Kippur War, Central Region Command (Israel Defense Forces), 1973, quoted in Ha'olam Hazzeh, 5 January 1974

The late Israeli author Israel Shahak wrote an essential book about Zionism and Jewish supremacism, entitled Jewish History, Jewish Religion, which revealed the inherent racism of Jewish rabbinical law and how the rabbis of the Israeli military enjoin soldiers to kill non-Jews:

'The non-Jewish nations have a custom according to which war has its own rules, like those of a game, like the rules of football or basketball. But according to the sayings of our sages, of blessed memory…war for us is not a game but a vital necessity, and only by this standard must we decide how to wage it. On the one hand…we seem to learn that if a Jew murders a Gentile, he is regarded as a murderer and, except for the fact that no court has the right to punish him, the gravity of the deed is like that of any other murder. But we find in the very same authorities in another place…that Rabbi Shim'on used to say: "The best of Gentiles - kill him; the best of snakes dash out its brains." '

Why are Israeli political and military leaders never held accountable for the massacres they commit?

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Reply #338 - Feb 26th, 2023 at 8:26pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Feb 26th, 2023 at 7:26pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 7:05am:
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Influential rabbis, who have a considerable following among Israeli army officers, identify the Palestinians (or even all Arabs) with those ancient nations


Do these "Influential rabbis" have a name?

And are they actually offering an interpretation of the text?


By snipping most of my post(s) you are doing nothing but grasping at straws.


Did I leave out the bit where you said who they were?
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Reply #339 - Feb 26th, 2023 at 8:38pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Feb 26th, 2023 at 7:30pm:
Why Do Jews Commit Massacres?


by Christopher Bollyn

June 12, 2010


Humanity is shocked, once again, by the Israeli massacre of nine peace activists on the Gaza-bound Freedom Flotilla on Memorial Day.  Eyewitness testimony and the evidence indicate that unarmed victims, including one American teenager, were executed in cold blood.    



Lesson?

After the systematic extermination of millions of Jews over centuries, the time to fuck with Jews in Israel is over. Desist. They are touchy.

Is our Muslim and green haired Western children learning?



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Reply #340 - Feb 26th, 2023 at 10:34pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2023 at 8:38pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Feb 26th, 2023 at 7:30pm:
Why Do Jews Commit Massacres?


by Christopher Bollyn

June 12, 2010


Humanity is shocked, once again, by the Israeli massacre of nine peace activists on the Gaza-bound Freedom Flotilla on Memorial Day.  Eyewitness testimony and the evidence indicate that unarmed victims, including one American teenager, were executed in cold blood.    



Lesson?

After the systematic extermination of millions of Jews over centuries, the time to fuck with Jews in Israel is over. Desist. They are touchy.

Is our Muslim and green haired Western children learning?


Israel had long since ceased to exist when Islam was created and quicky conquered Roman (Byzantine) Palestine, in c 630AD.

It's only the last c.75 years Islam has had to contend with Israel in Palestine, but I expect the Muslims are learning....




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Reply #341 - Feb 27th, 2023 at 3:16am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 26th, 2023 at 8:26pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Feb 26th, 2023 at 7:26pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 7:05am:
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Influential rabbis, who have a considerable following among Israeli army officers, identify the Palestinians (or even all Arabs) with those ancient nations


Do these "Influential rabbis" have a name?

And are they actually offering an interpretation of the text?


By snipping most of my post(s) you are doing nothing but grasping at straws.


Did I leave out the bit where you said who they were?


Nope, I'm not gonna play your silly game.
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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

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Reply #342 - Feb 27th, 2023 at 3:18am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2023 at 8:38pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Feb 26th, 2023 at 7:30pm:
Why Do Jews Commit Massacres?


by Christopher Bollyn

June 12, 2010


Humanity is shocked, once again, by the Israeli massacre of nine peace activists on the Gaza-bound Freedom Flotilla on Memorial Day.  Eyewitness testimony and the evidence indicate that unarmed victims, including one American teenager, were executed in cold blood.    



Lesson?

After the systematic extermination of millions of Jews over centuries, the time to fuck with Jews in Israel is over. Desist. They are touchy.

Is our Muslim and green haired Western children learning?





Even if that figure is true, how is the fault of the Palestinians?
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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

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Reply #343 - Feb 27th, 2023 at 6:41am
 
wombatwoody wrote on Feb 27th, 2023 at 3:16am:
freediver wrote on Feb 26th, 2023 at 8:26pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Feb 26th, 2023 at 7:26pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 7:05am:
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Influential rabbis, who have a considerable following among Israeli army officers, identify the Palestinians (or even all Arabs) with those ancient nations


Do these "Influential rabbis" have a name?

And are they actually offering an interpretation of the text?


By snipping most of my post(s) you are doing nothing but grasping at straws.


Did I leave out the bit where you said who they were?


Nope, I'm not gonna play your silly game.


Are these "influential rabbis" merely a figment of your imagination?

Is it a euphemism for the protocols?
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Reply #344 - Feb 27th, 2023 at 7:16am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 7:31am:
Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive places on earth.


That may well explain why Islam feels so uncomfortable.

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