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Reply #375 - Mar 1st, 2023 at 6:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:01am:
No.



Then look who Charlie is taking orders from - one of the Rothschilds:

...

And:

"I've never seen a president  - I don't care who he is - stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles your mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what's going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn't writing anything down. If the American people understood what grip those people have on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens don't have any idea what goes on."

Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff. (See Washington Report 12/1999, p.124 quoting from Andrew Hurley's book, One Nation Under Israel)


And:

"You and I both know the powerful influence of AIPAC, which is not designed to promote peace. Their purpose in life is to protect and defend the policies of the Israeli government and to make sure those policies are approved in the United States and in our Congress and they're very effective at it. Any member of Congress who's looking to be re-elected couldn't possibly say that they would take a balanced position between Israel and the Palestinians, or that they would insist on Israel withdrawing to international borders, or that they would dedicate themselves to protect the human rights of Palestinians - it's very likely that they would not be re-elected."

 Jimmy Carter, Thirty Ninth President of the United States of America, as quoted by Eleanor Clift, "Last Word: Jimmy Carter Revisiting 'Apartheid'", Newsweek International, (25 December 2006 - 1 January 2007).
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Reply #376 - Mar 1st, 2023 at 6:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:01am:
You realise he is not actually saying that Israel isn't a democracy, right?


What part of, Western democracy as we know it is incompatible with Zionism do you not understand?

Or is this just your silly game again?
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Reply #377 - Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:17pm
 
Hywombatwoody wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 6:28pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:01am:
You realise he is not actually saying that Israel isn't a democracy, right?


What part of, Western democracy as we know it is incompatible with Zionism do you not understand?

Or is this just your silly game again?


So muslims should be allowed to be the majority in Israel and outvote the Jews, otherwise the Jewish state is discriminating and undemocratic.

While infidels are barred from, say, Saudi coz that's preserving rich Mohammedan  diversity.

The Jews must be open while the Muslims must be celebrated for their richly diverse closed monoculture.


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Reply #378 - Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:17pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 6:28pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:01am:
You realise he is not actually saying that Israel isn't a democracy, right?


What part of, Western democracy as we know it is incompatible with Zionism do you not understand?

Or is this just your silly game again?


I understand it. It is a different statement with a different meaning.
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Re: Zionism
Reply #379 - Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:28pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 6:07pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 5:59pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 9:25am:
Yeah, shure.  He needed the money.
The birthplace and ancestral home of Churchill:


What makes you think the wealthy would never want to increase their wealth?



So that's your argument?


Part of it. Prof. Shahak stated that bribery of political leaders was an age-old Jewish tactic.

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Churchill just wanted more Joo money?? really?


He was probably bribed and/or blackmailed not to repeat what he wrote here:

"It would almost seem as if the gospel of Christ and the gospel of anti-Christ were designed to originate among the same people; and that this mystic and mysterious race had been chosen for the supreme manifestations, both of the divine and the diabolical. . . From the days of 'Spartacus' Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany) and Emma Goldman (United States), this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Nesta Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the nineteenth century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire. There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others".

Winston Churchill, Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 8, 1920


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Reply #380 - Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:49pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:28pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 6:07pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 5:59pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 9:25am:
Yeah, shure.  He needed the money.
The birthplace and ancestral home of Churchill:


What makes you think the wealthy would never want to increase their wealth?



So that's your argument?


Part of it. Prof. Shahak stated that bribery of political leaders was an age-old Jewish tactic.

Quote:
Churchill just wanted more Joo money?? really?


He was probably bribed and/or blackmailed not to repeat what he wrote here:

"It would almost seem as if the gospel of Christ and the gospel of anti-Christ were designed to originate among the same people; and that this mystic and mysterious race had been chosen for the supreme manifestations, both of the divine and the diabolical. . . From the days of 'Spartacus' Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany) and Emma Goldman (United States), this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Nesta Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the nineteenth century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire. There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others".

Winston Churchill, Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 8, 1920



Pretty unremarkable.

The jews were very prominent in bolshevism, from Marx on.  You don't need Jewish money to be given to Churchill to unsee that. It is not unseen by any amount of money.

Soros promotes mass illegal immigration into every Western country but not Israel.
Trump, with a Jewish son in law is against mass illegal immigration into the US.

Eric Zemmour in France is Jewish. More Trump than Trump, god bless him.




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Reply #381 - Mar 2nd, 2023 at 12:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:17pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 6:28pm:
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You realise he is not actually saying that Israel isn't a democracy, right?


What part of, Western democracy as we know it is incompatible with Zionism do you not understand?




I was reading  - thanks to  Frank for mentioning Bonhoeffer - about the "German Christians" (Christians who were Nazis during the 3rd Reich).

Interestingly, they wanted to ban the Old Testament (Hebrew Bible) on racist grounds, because they rejected Christianity's Jewish origins.

Unlike Marcion, an early Roman compiler of the New Testament, who rejected the OT because he saw Jehovah - the "man of war" who authorized genocide -  as incompatible with Jesus Christ, Prince of Peace.....


"What a tangled web we weave".....


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Reply #382 - Mar 2nd, 2023 at 10:30pm
 
Kahane was saying Jewish society has never been nor never can be democratic. Prof. Shahak also states this:

'It should not be forgotten that democracy and the rule of law were brought into Judaism from the outside. Before the advent of the moden state, Jewish communities were mostly ruled by rabbis who employed arbitrary and cruel methods as bad as those employed by totalitarian regimes. The dearest wish of the current Jewish fundamentalists is to restore this state of affairs.'

Kahane was one of those fundamentalists.

And:

'In the 1990s, Israeli sociologists and scholars in other academic fields have focused more attention than ever before upon the social effects in Israeli society of Jewish fundamentalists. The overwhelming opinion of these scholars is that the adherents of Jewish fundamentalism in Israel are hostile to democracy. The fundamentalists oppose equality for all citizens, especially non-Jews ... The great majority of religious Jews in Israel, influenced by fundamentalists, share these views to some extent. In a book review published on October 14, 1998, Baruch Kirnrnerling, a distinguished Israeli sociologist, citing evidence from a study conducted by other scholars, commented:

    The values of the [Jewish] religion, at least in its Orthodox and nationalistic form that prevails in Israel, cannot be squared with democratic values. No other variable—neither nationality, nor attitudes about security, nor social or economic values, nor ethnic descent and education—so influences the attitudes of [Israeli] Jews against democratic values as does religiosity.

'It is clear that fundamentalist antagonism to democratic values, as well as to most aspects of secular culture and life style, is deeply instilled in Israel's religious schools.'


Frank wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:17pm:
So muslims should be allowed to be the majority in Israel and outvote the Jews


Why can't Palestinians have their own state, on the land they have lived on for centuries? That would solve the issue.

Oh right, that will never happen because the religious fanatics who effectively rule Israel will not, nay, cannot, give up one square inch of that land - for religious reasons. See the OP again:

"I saw that they took it (the Bible) literally. Furthermore, in one of my conversations with Mr. Ben Gurion he made the remark that, "the Bible is our charter." I began to realize that Zionism is a thinly veiled theocracy.'

You mocked the idea of an empire earlier, saying it's smaller than Tassie, Well, you're forgetting what was said previously, about Greater Israel, i.e. all the land from the "Nile to the Euphrates'.  See The Zionist Plan for The Middle East, posted earlier.

That's way way bigger than Tassie. That's what they want - because they believe that is what was promised to them - the Promised Land. And they will stop at nothing to get it. Even if it means World War.

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Reply #383 - Mar 2nd, 2023 at 10:34pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:17pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 6:28pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:01am:
You realise he is not actually saying that Israel isn't a democracy, right?


What part of, Western democracy as we know it is incompatible with Zionism do you not understand?

Or is this just your silly game again?


I understand it. It is a different statement with a different meaning.


What kind of democracy violates the rights of those who wish to be secular?

'One of the major successes of Israeli theopolitics has been the institutionalization of the Orthodox rabbinate within the state. The Orthodox rabbinate in Israel has been established as a monopoly—neither Reform nor Conservative rabbinic ordinations are recognized—and it is, in part, supported by the state. This monopoly and state support, in conjunction with the coercive tactics of the religious parties in the Knesset, has given the Orthodox rabbinate a good deal of power. It uses this power to further the observance of Orthodox norms, often violating the civil rights of the nonobservant Israeli.'

Norman L. Zucker, The Establishment of the Orthodox Rabbinate in Israel
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Reply #384 - Mar 2nd, 2023 at 10:35pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:49pm:
Pretty unremarkable.


Then why this?

'This is the last candid statement (discoverable by me) from a leading public man on this question. After it the ban on public discussion came down and the great silence ensued, which continues to this day. In 1953 Mr. Churchill refused permission (requisite under English law) for a photostat to be made of this article (Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 8, 1920), without saying why.'

Douglas Reed, author and former Times of London journalist 
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Reply #385 - Mar 2nd, 2023 at 10:51pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 10:35pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:49pm:
Pretty unremarkable.


Then why this?

'This is the last candid statement (discoverable by me) from a leading public man on this question. After it the ban on public discussion came down and the great silence ensued, which continues to this day. In 1953 Mr. Churchill refused permission (requisite under English law) for a photostat to be made of this article (Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 8, 1920), without saying why.'

Douglas Reed, author and former Times of London journalist 


Well, not exactly a great silence, is it, if you can freely post it here.

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Reply #386 - Mar 2nd, 2023 at 11:30pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 10:51pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 10:35pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:49pm:
Pretty unremarkable.


Then why this?

'This is the last candid statement (discoverable by me) from a leading public man on this question. After it the ban on public discussion came down and the great silence ensued, which continues to this day. In 1953 Mr. Churchill refused permission (requisite under English law) for a photostat to be made of this article (Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 8, 1920), without saying why.'

Douglas Reed, author and former Times of London journalist 


Well, not exactly a great silence, is it, if you can freely post it here.



Thanks to the internet.
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Reply #387 - Mar 2nd, 2023 at 11:35pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 11:38am:
athos wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 11:03am:
Frank wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 10:11am:
athos wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 10:02am:
Major EU member states have been gripped by protests against NATO arming Ukraine with protesters demanding an end to the war. Thousands hit the streets in Italy's Milan and Genoa against the transfer of lethal aid to Ukraine. Anti-war protests also broke out in Paris. In Berlin, protesters rallied with banners reading 'No tanks, no planes, no missiles'.

NATO = Anglo-Khazarian deep state mafia, trying to kill as many as possible innocent Ukrainians
Victoria Nuland - Ukrainian Khazar
Antony Blinken- Ukrainian Khazar
Volodymyr Zelenskyy - Ukrainian Khazar



Just say Jews, none of this khazar nonsense.



Are the Hazara of Afganistan khazars? Jews?


Not really.



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The khazar converted to Judaism then disappeared and came back as ashkenazi Jews. Then went to the Middle East.
Shure.
Where did the khazar get the idea from to convert to Judaism?



See Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe.
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Reply #388 - Mar 3rd, 2023 at 7:15am
 
wombatwoody wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 10:34pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:17pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 6:28pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:01am:
You realise he is not actually saying that Israel isn't a democracy, right?


What part of, Western democracy as we know it is incompatible with Zionism do you not understand?

Or is this just your silly game again?


I understand it. It is a different statement with a different meaning.


What kind of democracy violates the rights of those who wish to be secular?

'One of the major successes of Israeli theopolitics has been the institutionalization of the Orthodox rabbinate within the state. The Orthodox rabbinate in Israel has been established as a monopoly—neither Reform nor Conservative rabbinic ordinations are recognized—and it is, in part, supported by the state. This monopoly and state support, in conjunction with the coercive tactics of the religious parties in the Knesset, has given the Orthodox rabbinate a good deal of power. It uses this power to further the observance of Orthodox norms, often violating the civil rights of the nonobservant Israeli.'

Norman L. Zucker, The Establishment of the Orthodox Rabbinate in Israel


Whose rights were violated?

And how do you make the idiotic leap from there to "not a democracy"? Do I need to get out the dictionary for you?
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Reply #389 - Mar 4th, 2023 at 9:16pm
 
wombatwoody wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 11:30pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 10:51pm:
wombatwoody wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 10:35pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 7:49pm:
Pretty unremarkable.


Then why this?

'This is the last candid statement (discoverable by me) from a leading public man on this question. After it the ban on public discussion came down and the great silence ensued, which continues to this day. In 1953 Mr. Churchill refused permission (requisite under English law) for a photostat to be made of this article (Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 8, 1920), without saying why.'

Douglas Reed, author and former Times of London journalist 


Well, not exactly a great silence, is it, if you can freely post it here.



Thanks to the internet.


IOW, the internet did not exist when he wrote that some sixty years or so ago.

But back to my question, why did Churchill try to hide what he'd previously written?
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