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Re: Zionism
Reply #390 - Mar 4^th, 2023 at 9:17pm

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 7:15am:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 10:34pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:17pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 6:28pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:01am:

You realise he is not actually saying that Israel isn't a democracy, right?

What part of, Western democracy as we know it is incompatible with Zionism do you not understand?

Or is this just your silly game again?

I understand it. It is a different statement with a different meaning.

What kind of democracy violates the rights of those who wish to be secular?

'One of the major successes of Israeli theopolitics has been the institutionalization of the Orthodox rabbinate within the state. The Orthodox rabbinate in Israel has been established as a monopoly—neither Reform nor Conservative rabbinic ordinations are recognized—and it is, in part, supported by the state. This monopoly and state support, in conjunction with the coercive tactics of the religious parties in the Knesset, has given the Orthodox rabbinate a good deal of power. It uses this power to further the observance of Orthodox norms, often violating the civil rights of the nonobservant Israeli.'

Norman L. Zucker, The Establishment of the Orthodox Rabbinate in Israel

Whose rights were violated?

And how do you make the idiotic leap from there to "not a democracy"? Do I need to get out the dictionary for you?

You really don't know much about Israel, do you?

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Re: Zionism
Reply #391 - Mar 4^th, 2023 at 9:32pm

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 4^th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 11:30pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 10:51pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 10:35pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:49pm:

Pretty unremarkable.

Then why this?

'This is the last candid statement (discoverable by me) from a leading public man on this question. After it the ban on public discussion came down and the great silence ensued, which continues to this day. In 1953 Mr. Churchill refused permission (requisite under English law) for a photostat to be made of this article (Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 8, 1920), without saying why.'

Douglas Reed, author and former Times of London journalist

Well, not exactly a great silence, is it, if you can freely post it here.

Thanks to the internet.

IOW, the internet did not exist when he wrote that some sixty years or so ago.

But back to my question, why did Churchill try to hide what he'd previously written?

Did he?

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Re: Zionism
Reply #392 - Mar 4^th, 2023 at 9:35pm

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 4^th, 2023 at 9:17pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 7:15am:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 10:34pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:17pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 6:28pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:01am:

You realise he is not actually saying that Israel isn't a democracy, right?

What part of, Western democracy as we know it is incompatible with Zionism do you not understand?

Or is this just your silly game again?

I understand it. It is a different statement with a different meaning.

What kind of democracy violates the rights of those who wish to be secular?

'One of the major successes of Israeli theopolitics has been the institutionalization of the Orthodox rabbinate within the state. The Orthodox rabbinate in Israel has been established as a monopoly—neither Reform nor Conservative rabbinic ordinations are recognized—and it is, in part, supported by the state. This monopoly and state support, in conjunction with the coercive tactics of the religious parties in the Knesset, has given the Orthodox rabbinate a good deal of power. It uses this power to further the observance of Orthodox norms, often violating the civil rights of the nonobservant Israeli.'

Norman L. Zucker, The Establishment of the Orthodox Rabbinate in Israel

Whose rights were violated?

And how do you make the idiotic leap from there to "not a democracy"? Do I need to get out the dictionary for you?

You really don't know much about Israel, do you?

So tell me, oh Oracle.

Whose rights were violated?

And how do you make the idiotic leap from there to "not a democracy"? Do I need to get out the dictionary for you?

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46508 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #393 - Mar 4^th, 2023 at 9:56pm Zionism is the Jewish Voice. Plus Mossad and Shin Bet. You'll have to get past those guys. As the Joos say for good reason- thank God for giving us the Arabs as enemies. Having survived the Germans as enenemies, you can see their relief in needing to deal with only the retarded thickos at th the back of the class.
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Re: Zionism
Reply #394 - Mar 5^th, 2023 at 9:27am

Frank wrote on Mar 4^th, 2023 at 9:56pm:

Zionism is the Jewish Voice.

Plus Mossad and Shin Bet. You'll have to get past those guys.

As the Joos say for good reason- thank God for giving us the Arabs as enemies.
Having survived the Germans as enenemies, you can see their relief in needing to deal with only the retarded thickos at th the back of the class.

Intelligent Arabs are starting to be heard. As in 1947, they recognise the benifits of Israeli know-how. Up until recently, these Arabs were shouted down by rabid, spittle-lipped Islamists, like Gandalf's friends.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49075 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #395 - Mar 5^th, 2023 at 11:13am I think Gandalf hangs out with the progressive Muslims. They are very polite and sincere in their support for genocide.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95896 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #396 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 2:22am Do you ever miss G, FD?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49075 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #397 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 6:40am Has he gone?
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48693 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #398 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 8:26am Can I have Gandalf's Gmod spot then?
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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6402 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #399 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 12:12pm The fact is that Anglophone countries are ruled by Khazarian Zionists.
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Re: Zionism
Reply #400 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 11:17pm

Frank wrote on Mar 4^th, 2023 at 9:32pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 4^th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 11:30pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 10:51pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 10:35pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:49pm:

Pretty unremarkable.

Then why this?

'This is the last candid statement (discoverable by me) from a leading public man on this question. After it the ban on public discussion came down and the great silence ensued, which continues to this day. In 1953 Mr. Churchill refused permission (requisite under English law) for a photostat to be made of this article (Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 8, 1920), without saying why.'

Douglas Reed, author and former Times of London journalist

Well, not exactly a great silence, is it, if you can freely post it here.

Thanks to the internet.

IOW, the internet did not exist when he wrote that some sixty years or so ago.

But back to my question, why did Churchill try to hide what he'd previously written?

Did he?

Why did he refuse permission as described above?

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

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Re: Zionism
Reply #401 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 11:38pm

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2023 at 9:35pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 4^th, 2023 at 9:17pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 7:15am:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 10:34pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:17pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 6:28pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:01am:

You realise he is not actually saying that Israel isn't a democracy, right?

What part of, Western democracy as we know it is incompatible with Zionism do you not understand?

Or is this just your silly game again?

I understand it. It is a different statement with a different meaning.

What kind of democracy violates the rights of those who wish to be secular?

'One of the major successes of Israeli theopolitics has been the institutionalization of the Orthodox rabbinate within the state. The Orthodox rabbinate in Israel has been established as a monopoly—neither Reform nor Conservative rabbinic ordinations are recognized—and it is, in part, supported by the state. This monopoly and state support, in conjunction with the coercive tactics of the religious parties in the Knesset, has given the Orthodox rabbinate a good deal of power. It uses this power to further the observance of Orthodox norms, often violating the civil rights of the nonobservant Israeli.'

Norman L. Zucker, The Establishment of the Orthodox Rabbinate in Israel

Whose rights were violated?

And how do you make the idiotic leap from there to "not a democracy"? Do I need to get out the dictionary for you?

You really don't know much about Israel, do you?

So tell me, oh Oracle.

I will.

But first, do you really think that a country where a religious body dictates how significant events in one's life should or should not be conducted, when that citizen wants no religious interference whatsoever in daily life, can be called a democracy?

"Ben-Gurion’s historical compromise with the Orthodox parties has turned out to be a catastrophe. Israel, to this day, doesn’t have a constitution; the Rabbinate is involved in the lives of countless people who don’t want anything to do with it, and the Orthodox stream in Judaism (which is a minority in Jewry worldwide) has a monopoly that aggravates and alienates millions of Jews in Israel and the Diaspora. "

- Why Israel Must Become A Secular State: A Thought For Yom Kippur 5770, Haaretz, By Carlo Strenger, Sep. 27th 2009

Or do you naively think Israel is a democracy simply because elections are held?

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

Benjamin Netanyahu, quoted in Ma’ariv, 16 April 2008

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wombatwoody Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3210 Wombat NSW	Re: Zionism Reply #402 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 11:39pm athos wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 12:12pm: The fact is that Anglophone countries are ruled by Khazarian Zionists. KM for short - Khazarian Mafia
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Re: Zionism
Reply #403 - Mar 7^th, 2023 at 6:38am

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 11:38pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 4^th, 2023 at 9:35pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 4^th, 2023 at 9:17pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 7:15am:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 10:34pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:17pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 6:28pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:01am:

You realise he is not actually saying that Israel isn't a democracy, right?

What part of, Western democracy as we know it is incompatible with Zionism do you not understand?

Or is this just your silly game again?

I understand it. It is a different statement with a different meaning.

What kind of democracy violates the rights of those who wish to be secular?

'One of the major successes of Israeli theopolitics has been the institutionalization of the Orthodox rabbinate within the state. The Orthodox rabbinate in Israel has been established as a monopoly—neither Reform nor Conservative rabbinic ordinations are recognized—and it is, in part, supported by the state. This monopoly and state support, in conjunction with the coercive tactics of the religious parties in the Knesset, has given the Orthodox rabbinate a good deal of power. It uses this power to further the observance of Orthodox norms, often violating the civil rights of the nonobservant Israeli.'

Norman L. Zucker, The Establishment of the Orthodox Rabbinate in Israel

Whose rights were violated?

And how do you make the idiotic leap from there to "not a democracy"? Do I need to get out the dictionary for you?

You really don't know much about Israel, do you?

So tell me, oh Oracle.

I will.

But first, do you really think that a country where a religious body dictates how significant events in one's life should or should not be conducted, when that citizen wants no religious interference whatsoever in daily life, can be called a democracy?

"Ben-Gurion’s historical compromise with the Orthodox parties has turned out to be a catastrophe. Israel, to this day, doesn’t have a constitution; the Rabbinate is involved in the lives of countless people who don’t want anything to do with it, and the Orthodox stream in Judaism (which is a minority in Jewry worldwide) has a monopoly that aggravates and alienates millions of Jews in Israel and the Diaspora. "

- Why Israel Must Become A Secular State: A Thought For Yom Kippur 5770, Haaretz, By Carlo Strenger, Sep. 27th 2009

Or do you naively think Israel is a democracy simply because elections are held?

So you will one day explain what your gibberish means, but first, here's some more gibberish?

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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6402 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #404 - Mar 7^th, 2023 at 9:43am wombatwoody wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 11:39pm: athos wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 12:12pm: The fact is that Anglophone countries are ruled by Khazarian Zionists. KM for short - Khazarian Mafia Well said.
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