India (as 84% of the world's population) against KM rule.

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 7^th, 2023 at 11:23am:


That’s a great link. The comments within that link tell the dreadful truth which totally undermines your case.

Even when Muslims try to drive the Jews into the sea, it's still the Jews fault. Just like Muhammad proclaimed back when he was slaughtering Jews.

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Some of the ways in which Israel violates the civil rights of those who wish to be secular:

There is no civil marriage in Israel. All marriages between Jews in Israel are conducted according to Orthodox Judaism. Many secular Israelis travel abroad to have civil marriages outside of the state but the Rabbinate does not recognize them as Jewish marriages.


"Rabbi David Lau was elected for the Ashkenazim (Jews of European descent), and Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef for the Sephardim (Jews of Middle Eastern origin). They will rotate leadership of Israel’s rabbinical courts, which control marriage, divorce and adoption for the nation’s six million Jews. The rabbinate also oversees the supervision of kosher food, conversion and other aspects of daily life here."

- Ultra-Orthodox Candidates Elected as Israel’s Chief Rabbis, The New York Times, By Jodi Rudoren, July 24th 2013


"Only Orthodox Rabbis may perform wedding ceremonies in Israel. More than 70 percent of American Jews define themselves as Reform or Conservative. Conversions done by Reform or Conservative rabbis are not recognized in Israel. The ultra-Orthodox rabbinate controls all issues of personal status, including marriage and divorce. To get married in Israel to another Jew, you must prove you are Jewish."

- Israel Civil Marriage Ban Blocks Those Not Considered Jewish From Wedding, Huffington Post, By Linda Gradstein, June 12th 2013


"Tessler is one of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Israeli women caught in legal and social limbo because of a law that leaves matters of divorce for all Jewish citizens in the hands of a government-funded religious court. The court, consisting of a panel of rabbis, bases its decisions on the customs of Orthodox Judaism. The rulings apply to all Jewish Israelis, whether they are Orthodox, Conservative or Reform, observant or secular. And their authority even extends to those who married abroad in civil ceremonies that were registered in Israel."

- Israel Divorce Law Traps Women In Marriages That Died Long Ago, Los Angeles Times, By Edmund Sanders, July 26, 2013



Israel’s Undemocratic Marriage Laws

By Phil M. Cohen

Tablet Magazine
August 19, 2019

When advocating for Israel, diaspora Jews take great pride in characterizing the Jewish state as the only democracy in the Middle East. In one significant measure, however, a Jewish minority is allowed to subvert the democratic will of a vast Jewish majority — that is when it comes to marriage laws.

Rabbi Uri Regev is the director of Hiddush, an Israeli NGO devoted to advocating for religious freedom and equality. According to Regev, some 600,000 Jewish Israelis are denied a religious wedding ceremony because their Jewishness is in question, according to the Rabbinate, Israel’s institutional body of rabbinic authority. This is an astounding figure, as it accounts for approximately 8.5% of the Jews in Israel. The number includes some 400,000 immigrants from the former Soviet Union who were deemed Jewish enough to be granted citizenship in Israel but insufficiently Jewish to be married beneath a chuppah in their new country. And they are hardly the only ones. On the long list of other groups who cannot receive the blessing of the Rabbinate there are: interfaith and binational families, some converts, immigrants, mamzerim (those born of halachically forbidden unions), migrants, and refugees.

Imagine this not uncommon scenario. A convert engaged to be married to the love of her life and her fiancé go before the Rabbinate to register only to find that for one reason or another they do not meet the standard of who is a Jew in the eyes of this institution.

As a result of Israel’s capricious religious bureaucracy, some couples choose to fly overseas for a quickie marriage in Cypus or, perhaps, Vegas. This allows them to return home with a marriage certificate but the Rabbinate does not recognize it as a Jewish marriage.

According to a survey taken by Hiddush released on Aug. 13, 68% of the Israeli Jewish public favors a law that would allow freedom of choice in marriage. Only 19% of secular Israelis would elect to be married in an Orthodox ceremony were freedom of choice in marriage allowed.

The Rabbinate’s political power comes from the continual presence of religious Haredi parties in the ruling coalitions necessary to form a government. The ruling party has to offer a level of influence to the Haredi parties disproportionately large compared to their actual constituency, in order to keep them in the coalition and preserve the majority necessary to rule.

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 9^th, 2023 at 6:12am:


You are dribbling wombat.

Whose rights were violated?

And how do you make the idiotic leap from there to "not a democracy"? Do I need to get out the dictionary for you?

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2023 at 6:20am:


WTF? Did you read the above, i.e. replies 411 and 412?

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2023 at 6:34am:


What part of Many secular Israelis travel abroad to have civil marriages outside of the state do you not understand?

If you can't see that that is religious interference in the lives of those who wish to be secular than I'm done with you!

You're a joke, FD. All you can manage is knee-jerk responses. You don't even read and digest the sources, reputable sources, that I link to.

Like the ridiculous claim, 'Numerous influential rabbis have..." was a 'figment of my imagination' when it was Prof. Shahak who said that. That proves you didn't even look at that post.

Stop before you get more egg all over your face.