thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 10:54am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 1:29pm:


You mean China? Yeah?

Because of the rise of Iran's power and the rise of Israel's power, Arab countries began to look differently at Israel, not as their enemy but as their indispensable ally against Iranian aggression, which threatens them as well, and also as a source for crucial innovation in areas like energy, water, medicine, you name it, because Israel is a juggernaut of innovation.

As a result, we made four historic peace treaties with Arab states — with United Arab Emirates, with Bahrain, with Morocco, and with Sudan — because of this different approach, which I had to work on. I described some clandestine meetings that I had before 2016, before the rise of the Trump administration. I already had secret meetings with Arab leaders to lay the foundation for the historic Abraham Accords, which were helped later of course by President Trump and his team.

But we couldn't get there without making this shift in Israeli power. Israel becoming a power among the nations also allowed us to make peace with the surrounding nations, or begin to.

But the next step would be an extraordinary leap because it would effectively end the Arab-Israeli conflict, not the Palestinian-Israeli conflict but the Arab-Israeli conflict, and that is, of course, peace with Saudi Arabia. And I believe we can get peace with other countries as well if we do that. It's up to the Saudis. It's their decision. But I think that that is one of the goals that I see. Stop Iran, expand the circle of peace beyond our wildest dreams, and continue developing Israel as the innovation juggernaut of the world.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/benjamin-netanyahu-securing-future-israe...

freediver wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 7:05am:


IOW, you don't want to see or hear anything that would burst your bubble of a 'beacon of freedom and democracy'. That's narrow minded.

And you failed to address this: why do you support Israel after all their treachery against the West in general and the US in particular?

The fact that Israel has conducted international acts of terrorism, against her allies, further demonstrates the lack of democracy.


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I understand it a lot better than you, that's obvious. Hey, you don't even know this:

"It should not be forgotten that democracy and the rule of law were brought into Judaism from the outside."

- Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel by I. Shahak and N. Mezvinsky; Chapter 7: The Religious Background of Rabin's Assassination


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Again, read what I posted, particularly Reply #19, #22 and #37.

Reply #19 tells the plight of the Bedouin, who are Muslims:

"Israel refuses to provide residents with connections to the national water and electricity grids, provide them with health and educational services, or any basic infrastructure..."

How can a country that treats its citizens like that be called a democracy?

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 10:32am:



https://robert-lindsay.blogspot.com/2006/04/wikipedia-ziopedia-or-judeopedia.htm...

issuevoter wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 10:59am:


1946: much of Europe and Asia was in ruins, with 40 million dead and inestimable property damage, and the start of the nuclear age - and the age of MAD (an excruciatingly appropriate acronym).

Far sighted people like 'Doc' Evatt (former high court judge and LW politician) proposed a UNSC minus veto,  but the US and USSR demanded the veto.


1947: the UN proposed the partition of British Mandate Palestine, but the UNSC - neutered by the veto - lacked the machinery to keep the peace between the Arabs and the Jews, who have been at war ever since.

What were you saying about "wimpy peacenik Leftists"? 

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 24^th, 2022 at 9:37pm:


Yes I do. I just realise that you have failed, and have no interest in researching your failure further. But please, keep trying to give a straight answer.

What exactly do you think they are being deprived of?

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What part of "Israel is a beacon of of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive regions on earth" do you not understand?

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 24^th, 2022 at 9:37pm:



This is about providing infrastructure to nomadic people who move around in the desert - an impossibility. Not dissimilar to outback Aborigines on walkabout.


According to an analysis of figures from the Central Bureau of Statistics and the Population and Immigration Authority, nearly 280,000 Bedouins live in the Negev (as of January 2021). This is the youngest population in Israel, with 51 percent children under 18. A majority of the Bedouins live in 18 settled communities founded and recognized by the state. Approximately 70,000 people live in the city of Rahat, about 100,000 residents live in other towns, and 20,000 more in two regional councils. These communities are run by local authorities and local committees. At the same time, nearly 80,000 Bedouin live outside the localities recognized by the state (Online database, n.d.). There is a shortage of employment in all of these communities (Abu-Bader & Gottlieb, 2009); the population is the poorest in Israel; and their communities figure among the two lowest socioeconomic groups. Due to a combination of factors originating in failures by the authorities and the existing norms in Bedouin society, the communities suffer from a shortage of available lots for construction. Although the prices of the lots and development in the Bedouin communities are subsidized by the state, some young people find it difficult to shoulder the costs. The conditions outside the established communities are more difficult, because there is no regular connection to infrastructure, such as water, sewage, and electrical systems, and the services provided to them by the authorities are extremely limited.