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wombatwoody Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3213 Wombat NSW	Re: Zionism Reply #465 - Mar 18^th, 2023 at 8:58pm freediver wrote on Mar 18^th, 2023 at 1:01pm: Quote: Unarmed Moslem villagers. What makes you think that? You wouldn't need to ask that if you read Mr.Pappe's book review posted earlier.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49224 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #466 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 7:23am So you cannot think. You cannot read books. But you can google a book review?
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Reply #467 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 2:46pm

freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 7:23am:

So you cannot think. You cannot read books**. But you can google a book review?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight

"About 250,000–300,000 Palestinians fled or were expelled during the 1947–1948 civil war in Mandatory Palestine, before the Israeli Declaration of Independence in May 1948, a fact which was named as a casus belli for the entry of the Arab League into the country, sparking the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.

The causes (of the exodus) are also a subject of fundamental disagreement among historians. Factors involved in the exodus include Jewish military advances, destruction of Arab villages, psychological warfare, fears of another massacre by Zionist militias after the Deir Yassin massacre,[21]: (pages 239–240) which caused many to leave out of panic, direct expulsion orders by Israeli authorities, the demoralizing impact of wealthier classes fleeing,[22] the typhoid epidemic in some areas caused by Israeli well-poisoning,[23] collapse in Palestinian leadership and Arab evacuation orders,[24][25] and an unwillingness to live under Jewish control.[26][27]

** as opposed to reading books by Zionist historians?

Note:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre#:~:text=The%20Deir%20Yassin%2...

The Deir Yassin massacre took place on April 9, 1948, when around 130 fighters from the Zionist paramilitary groups Irgun and Lehi killed at least 107 Palestinian Arabs, including women and children, in Deir Yassin, a village of roughly 600 people near Jerusalem, despite having earlier agreed to a peace pact.

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wombatwoody Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3213 Wombat NSW	Re: Zionism Reply #468 - Mar 21^st, 2023 at 5:45am freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 7:23am: So you cannot think. You cannot read books. But you can google a book review? Do you know about The Nakba? Without doing a search?
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Reply #469 - Mar 25^th, 2023 at 8:26pm

Quote:

"I've never seen a president - I don't care who he is - stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles your mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what's going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn't writing anything down. If the American people understood what grip those people have on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens don't have any idea what goes on."

Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, Fmr. Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff. (See Washington Report 12/1999, p.124 quoting from Andrew Hurley's book, One Nation Under Israel)

And:

"You and I both know the powerful influence of AIPAC, which is not designed to promote peace. Their purpose in life is to protect and defend the policies of the Israeli government and to make sure those policies are approved in the United States and in our Congress and they're very effective at it. Any member of Congress who's looking to be re-elected couldn't possibly say that they would take a balanced position between Israel and the Palestinians, or that they would insist on Israel withdrawing to international borders, or that they would dedicate themselves to protect the human rights of Palestinians - it's very likely that they would not be re-elected."

Jimmy Carter, Thirty Ninth President of the United States of America, as quoted by Eleanor Clift, "Last Word: Jimmy Carter Revisiting 'Apartheid'", Newsweek International, (25 December 2006 - 1 January 2007)

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

Benjamin Netanyahu, quoted in Ma’ariv, 16 April 2008

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wombatwoody Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3213 Wombat NSW	Re: Zionism Reply #470 - Apr 8^th, 2023 at 5:50am Recall in the OP where it says they take the Bible literally. Exodus 34:13, states, "But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:" Deuteronomy 12:3, states, "And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire" And what happens in Israel today? THIS:
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wombatwoody Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3213 Wombat NSW	Re: Zionism Reply #471 - Apr 9^th, 2023 at 12:22pm Dangerous things those olive groves, posing a real threat to Israel's security:
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Online Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 13031 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #472 - Apr 9^th, 2023 at 1:38pm wombatwoody wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 12:22pm: Dangerous things those olive groves, posing a real threat to Israel's security: Yes, revealing the ugly side of "the Chosen people"...
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Reply #473 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:38am

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 8:43am:

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 6:09am:

freediver wrote on Dec 20^th, 2022 at 7:31am:

Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy

"Israel is definitely not a democracy. A country that occupies another people for more than 40 years and disallows them the most elementary civic and human rights cannot be a democracy. A country that pursues a discriminatory policy against a fifth of its Palestinian citizens inside the 67 borders cannot be a democracy. In fact Israel is, what we used to call in political science a herrenvolk democracy, it is democracy only for the masters. The fact that you allow people to participate in the formal side of democracy, namely to vote or to be elected, is useless and meaningless if you don’t give them any share in the common good or in the common resources of the State, or if you discriminate against them despite the fact that you allow them to participate in the elections. On almost every level from official legislation through governmental practices, and social and cultural attitudes, Israel is only a democracy for one group, one ethnic group. You’ll find it very hard to use any known definition of democracy which will be applicable for the Israeli case."

- Prof. Ilan Pappé, April 1, 2011

Prof. Pappé is the author of, A Modern History of Palestine, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine and Gaza in Crisis

https://www.counterpunch.org/2011/04/01/why-israel-is-not-a-democracy/

And I'll add, within that one ethnic group it is more theocratic than democratic.

Also:

"There are five core reasons why Israel is not a Democracy:"

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/israel-is-not-a-democracy/

Arab Muslims can vote and run for office in Israel.

Which of Israel's neighbours is equally inclusive?

Western media report data on 320,000 dead Ukrainian soldiers (the actual figure is around 500,000).
Khazarian Zelensky's mission is realized in eliminating as many young Slavic lives as possible
and preparing the ground for a new Khazar state.

https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/fowa2ppwiaahxbk-jpg.1324066/

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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Re: Zionism
Reply #474 - Apr 15^th, 2023 at 9:26am

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 5:45am:

freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 7:23am:

So you cannot think. You cannot read books. But you can google a book review?

Do you know about The Nakba? Without doing a search?

Can you back up the claims you have made?

athos wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:38am:

Western media report data on 320,000 dead Ukrainian soldiers

Why do you feel compelled to respond if you cannot even figure out what we are talking about?

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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6406 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #475 - Apr 15^th, 2023 at 11:04am Meet real Jews
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49224 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #476 - Apr 15^th, 2023 at 11:45am Do you have anything to say on the topic athos, or are you just letting us know you have done some googling to catch up?
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Jasin Gold Member Online Posts: 49033 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #477 - Apr 15^th, 2023 at 5:51pm Are they as Jewish as white people saying they are Aborigine (Pascoe)??
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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6406 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #478 - Apr 17^th, 2023 at 3:03pm freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2023 at 11:45am: Do you have anything to say on the topic athos, or are you just letting us know you have done some googling to catch up? No need to get upset. This is just a friendly warning that if you are anti-Chinese you may be accused of being anti-Semitic.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49224 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #479 - Apr 17^th, 2023 at 6:21pm You are dribbling again athos.
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