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Reply #511 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:05am

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 9:39am:

What is Isreal supposed to do when terrorist groups supported by Arab nations fire rockets into Tel Aviv and kill it's citizens....Whilst Isreal is not pure in it's treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank there is no doubt Isreal is fighting a war against terrorists who deliberatly use civilians as a shield....Until Palestinians stop supporting and hiding terrorists there will be no peace and no resolution!!!

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Reply #512 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:10am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:04am:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 9:39am:

What is Isreal supposed to do when terrorist groups supported by Arab nations fire rockets into Tel Aviv and kill it's citizens....

1. Withdraw from the occupied territories.

2. Get a written agreement from the Arab League guaranteeing Israel's security.

1. The Occupied Territories have never been a country. They were occupied by Jordan before. Withdrawal mean they would become no means land, with no government, administration. The Palestinian Authority is not a state. The OTs would become immediate ISIS territory.

2. Why doesnt the Arab League guarantee that already?

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Reply #513 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:12am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 10:58am:

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 9:36pm:

Well what?

"the massacre of more than 110 men, women and children by members of Irgun and Stern Gang Zionist militias in the village of Deir Yassin on the western outskirts of Jerusalem on April 9, 1948 is simply Islamic propaganda?"

The propaganda they spun from it was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

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The massacre became a pivotal event in the Arab–Israeli conflict for its demographic and military consequences. The narrative was embellished and used by various parties to attack each other—by the Palestinians against Israel; by the Haganah to play down their own role in the affair; and by the Israeli left to accuse the Irgun and Lehi of blackening Israel's name by violating the Jewish principle of purity of arms.[11]

News of the killings sparked terror among Palestinians across the country, frightening them to flee their homes in the face of Jewish troop advances and it strengthened the resolve of Arab governments to intervene, which they did five weeks later.[4] Four days after the Deir Yassin massacre, on April 13, a revenge attack on the Hadassah medical convoy in Jerusalem ended in a massacre killing 78 Jews, most of whom were the medical staff.

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Reply #514 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:45am

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:12am:

The massacre became a pivotal event in the Arab–Israeli conflict for its demographic and military consequences. The narrative was embellished and used by various parties to attack each other—by the Palestinians against Israel; by the Haganah to play down their own role in the affair; and by the Israeli left to accuse the Irgun and Lehi of blackening Israel's name by violating the Jewish principle of purity of arms.[11]

Indeed, ideologues on all sides wanting to kill one-another.

Would you vote for UN res 181 and 242?

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Reply #515 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:56am

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:04am:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 9:39am:

What is Isreal supposed to do when terrorist groups supported by Arab nations fire rockets into Tel Aviv and kill it's citizens....

1. Withdraw from the occupied territories.

2. Get a written agreement from the Arab League guaranteeing Israel's security.

1. The Occupied Territories have never been a country. They were occupied by Jordan before.

Of course the occupied territories have never been a country, they were supposed to become the new Palestinian state, formerly part of the Palestine mandate.

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Withdrawal mean they would become no means land, with no government, administration. The Palestinian Authority is not a state. The OTs would become immediate ISIS territory.

er...they are occupied, which prevents the formation of the necessary state apparatus.

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2. Why doesnt the Arab League guarantee that already?

It has accepted Israel's right to exist; the ball is in Israel's court to withdraw to the '67 borders.

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Reply #516 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 12:17pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:45am:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:12am:

The massacre became a pivotal event in the Arab–Israeli conflict for its demographic and military consequences. The narrative was embellished and used by various parties to attack each other—by the Palestinians against Israel; by the Haganah to play down their own role in the affair; and by the Israeli left to accuse the Irgun and Lehi of blackening Israel's name by violating the Jewish principle of purity of arms.[11]

Indeed, ideologues on all sides wanting to kill one-another.

Would you vote for UN res 181 and 242?

Can you name an ideology that promotes killing to the same extent as Islam?

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Reply #517 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 12:34pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:04am:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 9:39am:

What is Isreal supposed to do when terrorist groups supported by Arab nations fire rockets into Tel Aviv and kill it's citizens....

1. Withdraw from the occupied territories.

2. Get a written agreement from the Arab League guaranteeing Israel's security.

1. The Occupied Territories have never been a country. They were occupied by Jordan before.

Of course the occupied territories have never been a country, they were supposed to become the new Palestinian state, formerly part of the Palestine mandate.

The Arabs can blame only themselves.

The resolution called for the withdrawal of British forces and termination of the Mandate by 1 August 1948, and establishment of the new independent states by 1 October 1948.

The leaders of the Jewish Agency for Palestine accepted parts of the plan, while Arab leaders refused it.

As a result of the war, Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip,[25] and in September 1948, formed the All-Palestine Government in Gaza, partly as an Arab League move to limit the influence of Jordan over the Palestinian issue.
...
King Abdullah I of Jordan sent the Arab Legion into the West Bank with no intention of withdrawing it following the war. Jordan annexed the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, granting citizenship to the Arab refugees and residents living in the West Bank against the objection of many Arab leaders who still hoped to establish an Arab state of Palestine. The country's name was changed in 1949 from Transjordan to Jordan and Palestinians were given seats in the Jordanian Parliament. A royal decree in March 1949 forbade the use of the term "Palestine" in legal documents, and other measures[clarification needed] were designed to emphasize that there would not be an independent Palestine.[26] He also banned any opinion contrary to unification of the two territories and outlawed all All-Palestine Government activity within territories under his control.

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Reply #518 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 2:31pm

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 9:39am:

What is Isreal supposed to do when terrorist groups supported by Arab nations fire rockets into Tel Aviv and kill it's citizens....Whilst Isreal is not pure in it's treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank there is no doubt Isreal is fighting a war against terrorists who deliberatly use civilians as a shield....Until Palestinians stop supporting and hiding terrorists there will be no peace and no resolution!!! Sad

What is Syria supposed to do when Anglo-Khazarian Zionists bomb Damascus?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FubH16lWYAAhrQ4?format=jpg&name=900x900

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Reply #519 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 2:44pm

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 12:34pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:04am:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 9:39am:

What is Isreal supposed to do when terrorist groups supported by Arab nations fire rockets into Tel Aviv and kill it's citizens....

1. Withdraw from the occupied territories.

2. Get a written agreement from the Arab League guaranteeing Israel's security.

1. The Occupied Territories have never been a country. They were occupied by Jordan before.

Of course the occupied territories have never been a country, they were supposed to become the new Palestinian state, formerly part of the Palestine mandate.

The Arabs can blame only themselves.

The resolution called for the withdrawal of British forces and termination of the Mandate by 1 August 1948, and establishment of the new independent states by 1 October 1948.

The leaders of the Jewish Agency for Palestine accepted parts of the plan, while Arab leaders refused it.

As a result of the war, Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip,[25] and in September 1948, formed the All-Palestine Government in Gaza, partly as an Arab League move to limit the influence of Jordan over the Palestinian issue.
...
King Abdullah I of Jordan sent the Arab Legion into the West Bank with no intention of withdrawing it following the war. Jordan annexed the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, granting citizenship to the Arab refugees and residents living in the West Bank against the objection of many Arab leaders who still hoped to establish an Arab state of Palestine. The country's name was changed in 1949 from Transjordan to Jordan and Palestinians were given seats in the Jordanian Parliament. A royal decree in March 1949 forbade the use of the term "Palestine" in legal documents, and other measures[clarification needed] were designed to emphasize that there would not be an independent Palestine.[26] He also banned any opinion contrary to unification of the two territories and outlawed all All-Palestine Government activity within territories under his control.

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Reply #520 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 2:48pm

athos wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 2:44pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 12:34pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:04am:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 9:39am:

What is Isreal supposed to do when terrorist groups supported by Arab nations fire rockets into Tel Aviv and kill it's citizens....

1. Withdraw from the occupied territories.

2. Get a written agreement from the Arab League guaranteeing Israel's security.

1. The Occupied Territories have never been a country. They were occupied by Jordan before.

Of course the occupied territories have never been a country, they were supposed to become the new Palestinian state, formerly part of the Palestine mandate.

The Arabs can blame only themselves.

The resolution called for the withdrawal of British forces and termination of the Mandate by 1 August 1948, and establishment of the new independent states by 1 October 1948.

The leaders of the Jewish Agency for Palestine accepted parts of the plan, while Arab leaders refused it.

As a result of the war, Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip,[25] and in September 1948, formed the All-Palestine Government in Gaza, partly as an Arab League move to limit the influence of Jordan over the Palestinian issue.
...
King Abdullah I of Jordan sent the Arab Legion into the West Bank with no intention of withdrawing it following the war. Jordan annexed the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, granting citizenship to the Arab refugees and residents living in the West Bank against the objection of many Arab leaders who still hoped to establish an Arab state of Palestine. The country's name was changed in 1949 from Transjordan to Jordan and Palestinians were given seats in the Jordanian Parliament. A royal decree in March 1949 forbade the use of the term "Palestine" in legal documents, and other measures[clarification needed] were designed to emphasize that there would not be an independent Palestine.[26] He also banned any opinion contrary to unification of the two territories and outlawed all All-Palestine Government activity within territories under his control.

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Can you be antisemite if you are against Chinese who are not Semites?
How come you are not antisemite if you are against Arabs who are Semites?
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Who is going to protect us from our protectors?

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Reply #521 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 3:00pm

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 12:34pm:

The Arabs can blame only themselves.

They certainly would have needed to be much more enlightened than they were, to accept the UN partition plan......

When hostilities began, the UN lost control.....and (long story short) Israel now controls nearly all of the former Palestine Mandate....

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The resolution called for the withdrawal of British forces and termination of the Mandate by 1 August 1948, and establishment of the new independent states by 1 October 1948.

The leaders of the Jewish Agency for Palestine accepted parts of the plan, while Arab leaders refused it.

Israel was being carved out of Arab land, so...

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As a result of the war, Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip,[25] and in September 1948, formed the All-Palestine Government in Gaza, partly as an Arab League move to limit the influence of Jordan over the Palestinian issue.
...
King Abdullah I of Jordan sent the Arab Legion into the West Bank with no intention of withdrawing it following the war. Jordan annexed the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, granting citizenship to the Arab refugees and residents living in the West Bank against the objection of many Arab leaders who still hoped to establish an Arab state of Palestine. The country's name was changed in 1949 from Transjordan to Jordan and Palestinians were given seats in the Jordanian Parliament. A royal decree in March 1949 forbade the use of the term "Palestine" in legal documents, and other measures[clarification needed] were designed to emphasize that there would not be an independent Palestine.[26] He also banned any opinion contrary to unification of the two territories and outlawed all All-Palestine Government activity within territories under his control.

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Yes, sad as it is.

UN res 181 and 242 would have been the 'just' solution, but justice is no match for ideology...

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Reply #522 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 3:12pm

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 2:48pm:

athos wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 2:44pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 12:34pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:04am:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 9:39am:

What is Isreal supposed to do when terrorist groups supported by Arab nations fire rockets into Tel Aviv and kill it's citizens....

1. Withdraw from the occupied territories.

2. Get a written agreement from the Arab League guaranteeing Israel's security.

1. The Occupied Territories have never been a country. They were occupied by Jordan before.

Of course the occupied territories have never been a country, they were supposed to become the new Palestinian state, formerly part of the Palestine mandate.

The Arabs can blame only themselves.

The resolution called for the withdrawal of British forces and termination of the Mandate by 1 August 1948, and establishment of the new independent states by 1 October 1948.

The leaders of the Jewish Agency for Palestine accepted parts of the plan, while Arab leaders refused it.

As a result of the war, Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip,[25] and in September 1948, formed the All-Palestine Government in Gaza, partly as an Arab League move to limit the influence of Jordan over the Palestinian issue.
...
King Abdullah I of Jordan sent the Arab Legion into the West Bank with no intention of withdrawing it following the war. Jordan annexed the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, granting citizenship to the Arab refugees and residents living in the West Bank against the objection of many Arab leaders who still hoped to establish an Arab state of Palestine. The country's name was changed in 1949 from Transjordan to Jordan and Palestinians were given seats in the Jordanian Parliament. A royal decree in March 1949 forbade the use of the term "Palestine" in legal documents, and other measures[clarification needed] were designed to emphasize that there would not be an independent Palestine.[26] He also banned any opinion contrary to unification of the two territories and outlawed all All-Palestine Government activity within territories under his control.

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Arabs are real Semites.
Over 90% of today Jews are not Semites.
Can you be antisemite if you are against Chinese who are not Semites?
How come you are not antisemite if you are against Arabs who are Semites?
How come you are antisemite if you are against Ashkenazi who are not Semites?

Who is going to direct our directors?
Who is going to protect us from our protectors?

Grin

Re-join us when your uppers wear off a bit.

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Reply #524 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 4:38pm

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Israel was being carved out of Arab land, so...

WTF does that mean?

er...it means Israel was carved out of the Palestine Mandate, formerly under Arab Moslem, later Ottoman Moslem sovereignty (before the British Mandate era).

Moslem warrior Bin Laden was not pleased.....

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Are you arguing that land has a race?

No...though Japan does have the Japanese....

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