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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49241 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #525 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:03pm Quote: er...it means Israel was carved out of the Palestine Mandate, formerly under Arab Moslem, later Ottoman Moslem sovereignty (before the British Mandate era). Why do you think this is relevant? Is there some point, or are you just trying to tell us how clever you are at history?
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Reply #526 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:08pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 4:12pm:

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Israel was being carved out of Arab land, so...

WTF does that mean?

er...it means Israel was carved out of the Palestine Mandate, formerly under Arab Moslem, later Ottoman Moslem sovereignty (before the British Mandate era).

Moslem warrior Bin Laden was not pleased.....

You want some history?

Did you know that the Pommy - Lawrence of Arabia - promised Palestine to the Arabs?

The POMs broke their promise and gave it to the Jews.

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Reply #527 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:23pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:08pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 4:12pm:

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Israel was being carved out of Arab land, so...

WTF does that mean?

er...it means Israel was carved out of the Palestine Mandate, formerly under Arab Moslem, later Ottoman Moslem sovereignty (before the British Mandate era).

Moslem warrior Bin Laden was not pleased.....

You want some history?

Did you know that the Pommy - Lawrence of Arabia - promised Palestine to the Arabs?

The POMs broke their promise and gave it to the Jews.

Yes, and the British Mandate was created - with the collapse of the Ottomans in 1922 - by the League of Nations.

So in effect, ancient Israel was destroyed by the Roman empire, and recreated by the British empire...with a broken promise.

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Reply #528 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:27pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:08pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 4:38pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 4:12pm:

Quote:

Israel was being carved out of Arab land, so...

WTF does that mean?

er...it means Israel was carved out of the Palestine Mandate, formerly under Arab Moslem, later Ottoman Moslem sovereignty (before the British Mandate era).

Moslem warrior Bin Laden was not pleased.....

You want some history?

Did you know that the Pommy - Lawrence of Arabia - promised Palestine to the Arabs?

The POMs broke their promise and gave it to the Jews.

Yes, and the British Mandate was created - with the collapse of the Ottomans in 1918 - by the League of Nations.

OK -
did you know that the Jews were offered part of Madagascar
instead of Palestine but they rejected it?

They could have lived peacefully there but chose to
be surrounded by 70 million Arabs who hated them -

( at the time. )

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49241 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #529 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:29pm Quote: OK - did you know that the Jews were offered part of Madagascar instead of Palestine but they rejected it? So what?
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Reply #530 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:34pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:27pm:

OK -
did you know that the Jews were offered part of Madagascar
instead of Palestine but they rejected it?

They could have lived peacefully there but chose to
be surrounded by 70 million Arabs who hated them -

( at the time. )

Note the edit to my post:

So in effect, ancient Israel was destroyed by the Roman empire, and recreated by the British empire...with a broken promise to the Arabs.

Jews of course still remembered Jerusalem, whose fate was at last in British hands (before the US became the global hegemon).

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106039 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #531 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:34pm freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:29pm: Quote: OK - did you know that the Jews were offered part of Madagascar instead of Palestine but they rejected it? So what? They could have lived peacefully there but they wanted the holy lands that had been promised to them.
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Reply #532 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:37pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:27pm:

OK -
did you know that the Jews were offered part of Madagascar
instead of Palestine but they rejected it?

They could have lived peacefully there but chose to
be surrounded by 70 million Arabs who hated them -

( at the time. )

Note the edit to my post:

So in effect, ancient Israel was destroyed by the Roman empire, and recreated by the British empire...with a broken promise to the Arabs.

Jews of course still remembered Jerusalem, whose fate was at last in British hands (before the US became the global hegemon).

But the Arabs haven't been nice -
they even destroyed Jewish holy sites:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_of_Olives

By the end of 1949, and throughout the Jordanian rule of the site, some Arab residents uprooted tombstones and plowed the land in the cemeteries, and an estimated 38,000 tombstones were damaged in total. During this period, a road was paved through the cemetery, in the process destroying graves including those of famous persons.[13] In 1964, the Intercontinental Hotel was built at the summit of the mount. Graves were also demolished for parking lots and a filling station[14] and were used in latrines at a Jordanian Army barracks.[15][16][17][18] The United Nations did not condemn the Jordanian government for these actions.[19]

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Reply #533 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:38pm

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:03pm:

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er...it means Israel was carved out of the Palestine Mandate, formerly under Arab Moslem, later Ottoman Moslem sovereignty (before the British Mandate era).

Why do you think this is relevant? Is there some point, or are you just trying to tell us how clever you are at history?

Er...it seems someone needs to decide to take some of your land, before you can understand. The land belonged to Moslems for generations. Bin Laden was not pleased.

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Reply #534 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:43pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:38pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:03pm:

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er...it means Israel was carved out of the Palestine Mandate, formerly under Arab Moslem, later Ottoman Moslem sovereignty (before the British Mandate era).

Why do you think this is relevant? Is there some point, or are you just trying to tell us how clever you are at history?

Er...it seems someone needs to decide to take some of your land, before you can understand. The land belonged to Moslems for generations. Bin Laden was not pleased.

So the land didn't belong to a race, it belonged to a religion?

How does that work?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:34pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:29pm:

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OK -
did you know that the Jews were offered part of Madagascar
instead of Palestine but they rejected it?

So what?

They could have lived peacefully there but they wanted
the holy lands that had been promised to them.

If someone offered you a one way ticket to some shithole country on the other side of the world, and told you that is the only place people of your ethnicity would be allowed to live in peace, would you be happy about it?

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Online Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 13051 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #535 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:45pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:37pm: But the Arabs haven't been nice - they even destroyed Jewish holy sites: No kidding, after mass killings on both sides during the Moslem expulsion in 1948. (eg rthe Stern gang massacre).
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49241 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #536 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:47pm thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:45pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:37pm: But the Arabs haven't been nice - they even destroyed Jewish holy sites: No kidding, after mass killings on both sides during the Moslem expulsion in 1948. (eg rthe Stern gang massacre). They were perfectly nice prior to that.
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Reply #537 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:48pm

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:38pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:03pm:

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er...it means Israel was carved out of the Palestine Mandate, formerly under Arab Moslem, later Ottoman Moslem sovereignty (before the British Mandate era).

Why do you think this is relevant? Is there some point, or are you just trying to tell us how clever you are at history?

Er...it seems someone needs to decide to take some of your land, before you can understand. The land belonged to Moslems for generations. Bin Laden was not pleased.

So the land didn't belong to a race, it belonged to a religion?

How does that work?

Ask the European jews who flooded to disputed Palestine, after 1948.

Hardly a Semite among them.

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Reply #538 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:50pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

But the Arabs haven't been nice -
they even destroyed Jewish holy sites:

No kidding, after mass killings on both sides during the Moslem expulsion in 1948. (eg rthe Stern gang massacre).

Yes - it was shocking:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight

It's almost as if they learned from Hitler or Stalin.

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Reply #539 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:50pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:48pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:38pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:03pm:

Quote:

er...it means Israel was carved out of the Palestine Mandate, formerly under Arab Moslem, later Ottoman Moslem sovereignty (before the British Mandate era).

Why do you think this is relevant? Is there some point, or are you just trying to tell us how clever you are at history?

Er...it seems someone needs to decide to take some of your land, before you can understand. The land belonged to Moslems for generations. Bin Laden was not pleased.

So the land didn't belong to a race, it belonged to a religion?

How does that work?

Ask the European jews who flooded to disputed Palestine, after 1948.

Hardly a Semite among them.

Where do you think most of the Jewish immigrants to Israel came from?

And you still haven't actually explained anything, just changed the subject. Have you realised that you are full of crap? How exactly does land belong to a religion?

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