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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106090 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #540 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:51pm freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:43pm: If someone offered you a one way ticket to some shithole country on the other side of the world, and told you that is the only place people of your ethnicity would be allowed to live in peace, would you be happy about it? It wasn't that far away. At least there were no Arabs there.
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Reply #541 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:51pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

If someone offered you a one way ticket to some shithole country on the other side of the world, and told you that is the only place people of your ethnicity would be allowed to live in peace, would you be happy about it?

It wasn't that far away.
At least there were no Arabs there. Undecided

If someone offered you a one way ticket to some shithole country on the other side of the world, and told you that is the only place people of your ethnicity would be allowed to live in peace, would you be happy about it?

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Reply #542 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:55pm

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:51pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

If someone offered you a one way ticket to some shithole country on the other side of the world, and told you that is the only place people of your ethnicity would be allowed to live in peace, would you be happy about it?

It wasn't that far away.
At least there were no Arabs there. Undecided

If someone offered you a one way ticket to some shithole country on the other side of the world, and told you that is the only place people of your ethnicity would be allowed to live in peace, would you be happy about it?

yes -
sure there were swamps there full of mozzies but they could have drained them.

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Reply #543 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:56pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:55pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:51pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

If someone offered you a one way ticket to some shithole country on the other side of the world, and told you that is the only place people of your ethnicity would be allowed to live in peace, would you be happy about it?

It wasn't that far away.
At least there were no Arabs there. Undecided

If someone offered you a one way ticket to some shithole country on the other side of the world, and told you that is the only place people of your ethnicity would be allowed to live in peace, would you be happy about it?

yes -
sure there were swamps there full of mozzies but they could have drained them.

You haven't really thought this through, have you Bobby? Even less than TGD, I suspect.

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Reply #544 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:57pm

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:55pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:51pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

If someone offered you a one way ticket to some shithole country on the other side of the world, and told you that is the only place people of your ethnicity would be allowed to live in peace, would you be happy about it?

It wasn't that far away.
At least there were no Arabs there. Undecided

If someone offered you a one way ticket to some shithole country on the other side of the world, and told you that is the only place people of your ethnicity would be allowed to live in peace, would you be happy about it?

yes -
sure there were swamps there full of mozzies but they could have drained them.

You haven't really thought this through, have you Bobby? Even less than TGD, I suspect.

yes I have - it was either mozzies or Arabs - what would you have chosen?

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Reply #545 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 6:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:57pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:55pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:51pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

If someone offered you a one way ticket to some shithole country on the other side of the world, and told you that is the only place people of your ethnicity would be allowed to live in peace, would you be happy about it?

It wasn't that far away.
At least there were no Arabs there. Undecided

If someone offered you a one way ticket to some shithole country on the other side of the world, and told you that is the only place people of your ethnicity would be allowed to live in peace, would you be happy about it?

yes -
sure there were swamps there full of mozzies but they could have drained them.

You haven't really thought this through, have you Bobby? Even less than TGD, I suspect.

yes I have - it was either mozzies or Arabs - what would you have chosen?

I don't think you understood the question Bobby. Let's try again.

If someone offered you a one way ticket to some shithole country on the other side of the world, and told you that is the only place people of your ethnicity would be allowed to live in peace, would you be happy about it?

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Reply #546 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 6:02pm

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

I don't think you understood the question Bobby. Let's try again.

If someone offered you a one way ticket to some shithole country on the other side of the world, and told you that is the only place people of your ethnicity would be allowed to live in peace, would you be happy about it?

I'd very happy to be able to live in peace forever.

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Reply #547 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 6:22pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 6:02pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

I don't think you understood the question Bobby. Let's try again.

If someone offered you a one way ticket to some shithole country on the other side of the world, and told you that is the only place people of your ethnicity would be allowed to live in peace, would you be happy about it?

I'd very happy to be able to live in peace forever.

You are too old to believe in fairy tales Bobby.

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Reply #548 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 6:30pm

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 6:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 6:02pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

I don't think you understood the question Bobby. Let's try again.

If someone offered you a one way ticket to some shithole country on the other side of the world, and told you that is the only place people of your ethnicity would be allowed to live in peace, would you be happy about it?

I'd very happy to be able to live in peace forever.

You are too old to believe in fairy tales Bobby.

I was just recounting some important history that the young ones may not have known.
How many know about Lawrence of Arabia's broken promise or Madagascar?

If history could be re-written -
who would have best looked after the holy country of Israel? -
as I don't consider anyone owns Israel - they preserve it for the world -
referring to the great number of the most holy sites in the world -

the Jews?
the Arabs?
the British?
some other entity - maybe the UN?

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Reply #549 - Apr 25^th, 2023 at 10:35pm

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:48pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:38pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 5:03pm:

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er...it means Israel was carved out of the Palestine Mandate, formerly under Arab Moslem, later Ottoman Moslem sovereignty (before the British Mandate era).

Why do you think this is relevant? Is there some point, or are you just trying to tell us how clever you are at history?

Er...it seems someone needs to decide to take some of your land, before you can understand. The land belonged to Moslems for generations. Bin Laden was not pleased.

So the land didn't belong to a race, it belonged to a religion?

How does that work?

Ask the European jews who flooded to disputed Palestine, after 1948.

Hardly a Semite among them.

Where do you think most of the Jewish immigrants to Israel came from?

er.. Ethiopia, Spain, the US, Germany, Eastern Europe etc etc. ...with "Jewishness" ( the race) watered down over 2000 years of the diaspora (much like white "blacks" in Oz today....

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And you still haven't actually explained anything, just changed the subject.

The subject is Israel carved out of Arab lands (after Britain's broken promise to the Arabs) against the wishes of the Arab world.

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How exactly does land belong to a religion?

Ask Bin Laden (and Iran, and Indonesia etc)..who resented Western incursion into the Arab lands.

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Reply #550 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 6:18am

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er.. Ethiopia, Spain, the US, Germany, Eastern Europe etc etc. ...with "Jewishness" ( the race) watered down over 2000 years of the diaspora (much like white "blacks" in Oz today....

Wrong. Most of them came from nearby Muslim countries. They were so impressed with the Nazi's holocaust they tried to have one of their own. Some of them got rid of every last Jew they could find. But they were not the type of people to make the trains run on time, so they made the Jews buy their own tickets, and when they got off at the other end, the Muslims couldn't figure out how to make them build their own gas chambers. So they tried to drive them into the sea instead.

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The subject is Israel carved out of Arab lands (after Britain's broken promise to the Arabs) against the wishes of the Arab world.

You are talking like Xavier. You cannot even figure out whether you are being racist or trying to give ownership of land to religions.

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Ask Bin Laden (and Iran, and Indonesia etc)..who resented Western incursion into the Arab lands.

We had our own bin laden right here on this forum. His name was Abu. Total nutter. He also thought Spain belonged to Islam and believed in the inevitable glorious Muslim military victory to win it back.

He said these nutty things because he is a Muslim. Why do you say them?

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Reply #551 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 10:00am

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er.. Ethiopia, Spain, the US, Germany, Eastern Europe etc etc. ...with "Jewishness" ( the race) watered down over 2000 years of the diaspora (much like white "blacks" in Oz today....

Wrong. Most of them came from nearby Muslim countries. They were so impressed with the Nazi's holocaust they tried to have one of their own. Some of them got rid of every last Jew they could find.

Ok, so the Jews came home, after a broken promise by the Brits resulted in Israel being carved out of Muslim lands.

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So they tried to drive them into the sea instead.

Naturally, people don't take kindly to mass immigation by outsiders, see th Oz "border protection" policies.

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You are talking like Xavier.

And you are grabbing at straws. Israel was carved out of Moslems lands against the will of the Arab world.

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You cannot even figure out whether you are being racist or trying to give ownership of land to religions.

Both .....though of course racial purity is an oxymoron, and Moslems - AND Jews - do regard land as belonging to religion. In the case of the Jews, following the OT "Promised Land" mythology.

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Ask Bin Laden (and Iran, and Indonesia etc)..who resented Western incursion into the Arab lands.

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We had our own bin laden right here on this forum. His name was Abu. Total nutter. He also thought Spain belonged to Islam and believed in the inevitable glorious Muslim military victory to win it back.

Just goes to show the egregious effect ideology has on people.

But here's the thing: since 1946, acquisistion of territory by force is illegal under international law, so the occupation is illegal. UN res 181 and 242 are the UN- determined lawful settlement of the dispute.

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He said these nutty things because he is a Muslim. Why do you say them?

To point the the 'deplorable' nature of your 'me first' ideology, rejecting UN mediation.

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Reply #552 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 5:58pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 10:00am:

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 6:18am:

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er.. Ethiopia, Spain, the US, Germany, Eastern Europe etc etc. ...with "Jewishness" ( the race) watered down over 2000 years of the diaspora (much like white "blacks" in Oz today....

Wrong. Most of them came from nearby Muslim countries. They were so impressed with the Nazi's holocaust they tried to have one of their own. Some of them got rid of every last Jew they could find.

Ok, so the Jews came home, after a broken promise by the Brits resulted in Israel being carved out of Muslim lands.

What do you think the British had to do with Muslim nations trying to have their own holocaust?

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Naturally, people don't take kindly to mass immigation by outsiders, see th Oz "border protection" policies.

Try again. The countries that tried to drive the Jews into the sea are the ones that expelled the majority of Israel's Jewish immigrants. The Jews came from there, not to there. They were merely objecting to the fact that the Jews were still alive. They were probably upset that the Palestinians didn't finish them off.

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Both

So instead of flipping between the two, explain how both work.

How does land belong to a religion?

How does land belong to a racial group?

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though of course racial purity is an oxymoron, and Moslems - AND Jews - do regard land as belonging to religion. In the case of the Jews, following the OT "Promised Land" mythology.

Orthodox Jews object to the nation of Israel's existence on religious grounds. They are the opposite to the Muslims in this regard.

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Just goes to show the egregious effect ideology has on people.

That still does not explain why you are saying these stupid things. Are you trying to tell us that you are a Muslim?

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Reply #553 - Apr 26^th, 2023 at 10:25pm

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2023 at 5:58pm:

What do you think the British had to do with Muslim nations trying to have their own holocaust?

? . The Brits reneged on L of A's promises to the Arabs.

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The countries that tried to drive the Jews into the sea are the ones that expelled the majority of Israel's Jewish immigrants.

The Jews came from there, not to there. They were merely objecting to the fact that the Jews were still alive. They were probably upset that the Palestinians didn't finish them off.

I've already noted ideologues (like you) on all sides needed to accept adjudication by the UN, which proposed the partition.
Sure the Arabs rejected the partition of Palestine, because they saw it as their land, after 1400 years living there.

So the UN should have delayed the partition until agreement was reached.

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How does land belong to a religion?

er ..."the Promised Land"....and Moorish (Islamic) Spain.

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How does land belong to a racial group?

er.....it does and it doesn't , see the case of Japan (up to now) and a few others; and blacks still see Oz as their land.

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Orthodox Jews object to the nation of Israel's existence on religious grounds. They are the opposite to the Muslims in this regard.

Er ....you mean non religious Zionists. All Moslems are religious, since Islam hasn't had its 'enlightenment'.

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That still does not explain why you are saying these stupid things. Are you trying to tell us that you are a Muslim?

No, I'm showing your ideology rejects the just solution under modern international law (since 1946), ie UN res 181 and 242.

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