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Re: Zionism
Reply #600 - May 3^rd, 2023 at 5:56pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 12:43pm:

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 6:01pm:

So your theory is that Muslims were following their instinct in trying to slaughter Jews,

No, they were following their instincts to possess what they considered to be their land (before the UN decided to partition Palestine).

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except they weren't following their instinct because that would be complete BS,

er... we all follow our instincts, unless/until our cortex tells us it's not a good idea....

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they were actually following the leader of the country the Jews stole,

Well, the Mufti of Jerusalem - an influential Moslem leader - certainly had his views about Jewish occupation of Palestine....

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and that leader is their instinct?

I feel embarrassed to even have to point out your error, can you see it without my assistance?

What nation?

What leader?

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Re: Zionism
Reply #601 - May 3^rd, 2023 at 6:39pm

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2023 at 5:48pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Apr 29^th, 2023 at 3:09pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 11:12am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 25^th, 2023 at 10:58am:

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2023 at 9:36pm:

Well what?

"the massacre of more than 110 men, women and children by members of Irgun and Stern Gang Zionist militias in the village of Deir Yassin on the western outskirts of Jerusalem on April 9, 1948 is simply Islamic propaganda?"

The propaganda they spun from it was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

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The massacre became a pivotal event in the Arab–Israeli conflict for its demographic and military consequences. The narrative was embellished and used by various parties to attack each other—by the Palestinians against Israel; by the Haganah to play down their own role in the affair; and by the Israeli left to accuse the Irgun and Lehi of blackening Israel's name by violating the Jewish principle of purity of arms.[11]

News of the killings sparked terror among Palestinians across the country, frightening them to flee their homes in the face of Jewish troop advances and it strengthened the resolve of Arab governments to intervene, which they did five weeks later.[4] Four days after the Deir Yassin massacre, on April 13, a revenge attack on the Hadassah medical convoy in Jerusalem ended in a massacre killing 78 Jews, most of whom were the medical staff.

'(W)hen it comes to the dispossession by Israel of the Palestinians in 1948, there is a deep chasm between the reality and the representation. This is most bewildering, and it is difficult to understand how events perpetrated in modern times and witnessed by foreign reporters and UN observers could be systematically denied, not even recognized as historical fact, let alone acknowledged as a crime that needs to be confronted, politically as well as morally. Nonetheless, there is no doubt that the ethnic cleansing of 1948, the most formative event in the modern history of the land of Palestine, has been almost entirely eradicated from the collective global memory and erased from the world’s conscience.'

Prof. Ilan Pappe

So why are you covering it up?

Or are you suggesting that the creation of a Jewish state is itself a crime against humanity? [/quote]

More examples of your silly game.

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Re: Zionism
Reply #603 - May 3^rd, 2023 at 7:33pm

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 7:05pm:

Would you like to fill us in on this great secret wombat? Are you talking about the Muslims fleeing from their own anti-Jewish propaganda?

Why do you keep insisting that the massacre of more than 110 men, women and children by members of Irgun and Stern Gang Zionist militias in the village of Deir Yassin on the western outskirts of Jerusalem on April 9, 1948 is simply Islamic propaganda?

Apart from your obvious denial of facts, that is.

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

Benjamin Netanyahu, quoted in Ma’ariv, 16 April 2008

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Re: Zionism
Reply #604 - May 3^rd, 2023 at 9:19pm

wombatwoody wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 7:33pm:

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 7:05pm:

Would you like to fill us in on this great secret wombat? Are you talking about the Muslims fleeing from their own anti-Jewish propaganda?

Why do you keep insisting that the massacre of more than 110 men, women and children by members of Irgun and Stern Gang Zionist militias in the village of Deir Yassin on the western outskirts of Jerusalem on April 9, 1948 is simply Islamic propaganda?

Apart from your obvious denial of facts, that is.

Is that the big secret that no-one knows about?

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Re: Zionism
Reply #605 - May 4^th, 2023 at 6:10am

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 9:19pm:

wombatwoody wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 7:33pm:

freediver wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 7:05pm:

Would you like to fill us in on this great secret wombat? Are you talking about the Muslims fleeing from their own anti-Jewish propaganda?

Why do you keep insisting that the massacre of more than 110 men, women and children by members of Irgun and Stern Gang Zionist militias in the village of Deir Yassin on the western outskirts of Jerusalem on April 9, 1948 is simply Islamic propaganda?

Apart from your obvious denial of facts, that is.

Is that the big secret that no-one knows about?

Only idiots who are too stupid to search the web for Deir Yassin massacre April 1948 don't know about it.

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

Benjamin Netanyahu, quoted in Ma’ariv, 16 April 2008

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Re: Zionism
Reply #607 - May 4^th, 2023 at 9:33am

freediver wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 6:20am:

So what's the big secret? Are you refusing to say because you are in on it?

Interesting to see how the delusional mind denies reality.

The unconscious self-preservation/land possession instincts are real, but in the delusional mind it becomes a "secret"....

Edit: just noticed FD is talking to wombatwoody; FD deals with his denial of the reality of the unconscious effects of instinct on behaviour, by simply repeating his question to me without acknowledging the answer.

Such is the human condition.

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Reply #608 - May 4^th, 2023 at 11:07am

freediver wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 6:20am:

So what's the big secret? Are you refusing to say because you are in on it?

Re FD's reference to a "big secret", ie the ethnic cleansing of Palestine (of Muslims by Zionists) which occurred in 1948 - well documented by the UN and reported by prof. Pappe - there is no secret, only denial of what happened as - afterwards - Jews were seen to be struggling against attack by the whole Arab world.

But what was the fighting all about?

Well.. neither side had experienced its "enlightenment".

"Enlightenment", as wonderfully expressed during the increase in Western understanding of religion in the late 18th century, by Thomas Paine:

"I am a citizen of the world, all men are my brethren, and to do good is my religion".

...whereas Zionists were following the OT's "Promised Land" mythology, and Muslim's were following the Koran's dictates that non-Muslims are 'infidels'.

You see the problem...

And FD is denying the effects of instinct (possessed by all creatures inc. homo sapiens) re possession of land (which is part of the survival instinct) - as a cause of all the fighting, and prefers to back the Zionists while rejecting UN resolutions 181 and 242.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49266 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #609 - May 4^th, 2023 at 5:36pm What nation? What leader?
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106123 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #610 - May 4^th, 2023 at 5:45pm UN resolution 181 was not complied with by Israel - they took far more land illegally: https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49266 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #611 - May 4^th, 2023 at 5:51pm Bobby do you think people have a natural instinct to strap on a bomb vest and blow up a bus in response to countries ignoring UN resolutions?
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106123 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #612 - May 4^th, 2023 at 5:57pm freediver wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 5:51pm: Bobby do you think people have a natural instinct to strap on a bomb vest and blow up a bus in response to countries ignoring UN resolutions? Only Muslims do that.
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Re: Zionism
Reply #613 - May 4^th, 2023 at 6:12pm

freediver wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 5:51pm:

Bobby do you think people have a natural instinct to strap on a bomb vest and blow up a bus in response to countries ignoring UN resolutions?

No, they have a strong instinct to possess what they regard as their land.

Hence both zionists and moslems ignored UN resolutions, and the rest is history - including 9/11, and the illegal Iraq war in revenge for 9/11.

And the murder of the israeli peace-maker PM, Rabin, by a fundamentalist Jew.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49266 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #614 - May 4^th, 2023 at 6:13pm We know that Bobby. The question is why. TGD has given several different answers, ranging from incorrect to absurd.
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