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How many Muslim terrorists do you think feel personal ownership of a plot of land in Israel?

And why do you think they made up all those nasty stories about Jews, and fled their own land in fear of their own propaganda?

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 6:12pm:



You can't possess any land when you're blown into mincemeat by a suicide bomb.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 6:18pm:


What does the Quran say about holy sites in Jerusalem?

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You never knew to begin with. You are full of crap.

freediver wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 7:33pm:


I have read the Koran, I've forgotten whether...but you are so desperate now, let's try this (since I remembered the story about Muhammad's ascension into heaven from the temple mount):

(quick google)

"Also known as al-Isra and Laylat al-Miraj. Refers to the journey made by Muhammad from the Great Mosque in Mecca to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem on a winged horselike creature known as Buraq, followed by Muhammad's ascension into heaven**. Briefly mentioned in the Quran (17:1) but known primarily through hadith.

**Hence the 3rd holiest site in Islam.

Why? Because as I said: the prophets of the OT are also the prophets of the God of Islam - the 'One True God', except Jesus who is also considered as a prophet of God.[Muhammud thought the idea of the crucifixion of God in Jerusalem, as reported in the Christian bible (in the NT) was blasphemous...].   

freediver wrote on May 5^th, 2023 at 6:22am:


Just as Jahweh (Jehovah) is the name of God in the Jewish bible,  and  Allah is the name of the same god in the Koran, so Jerusalem has its Arabic names  in Islam.
eg

"There is not a single inch in al-Quds (Jerusalem) where a Prophet has not prayed or an angel not stood".

— Tirmidhi hadith (compiled between 864/5-884)

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The most holy spot [al-quds] on earth is Syria; the most holy spot in Syria is Palestine; the most holy spot in Palestine is Jerusalem [Bayt al-maqdis]; the most holy spot in Jerusalem is the Mountain; the most holy spot in Jerusalem is the place of worship [al-masjid], and the most holy spot in the place of worship is the Dome.

— Thawr ibn Yazid, c. 770[23][24][25]

Note : the "Dome" was built soon after the Prophet's death, when Islam conquered the Levant in c.630 AD.

Both quotes from :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_significance_of_Jerusalem#:~:text=Althou...

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Moslems and Jews slaughter oneanother because they lay claim to the same land.

The above author seems to have forgotten that Mecca is the most holy site in Islam, nevertheless the age old tradition of holy sites in Islam was established early, during its almost miraculous spread around much of the world.

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You are mischieviously using the word "it": the instinct for possession of land is profound: and Israel had long since ceased to exist when Islam took control of Palestine from the Byzantine empire in the 7th century AD.   

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No, I said the instinct for possesssion of land which one perceives to be one's own land is profound. The Mufti of Jerusalem (the leader...) did not help Islam's cause by rejecting Jews out of hand in 1948; Moslems have never been militarily strong enough to resist Zionists in Palestine (not a nation, but majority Moslem people living on land under Muslim sovereignty; your argument falls flat at this point. 

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Wrong, as noted above; the "farthest mosque" is identified in Jerusalem in the hadith, mentioned above:

the most holy spot in Jerusalem is the place of worship [al-masjid], and the most holy spot in the place of worship is the Dome.

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I don't; your egregious ignorance is shown above, such is the power of instinct to damage your capacity for rational anaysis.

freediver wrote on May 5^th, 2023 at 5:59pm:


The Koran is not the only text of Islam (see the Hadith,  quoted from in my previous post), just as the OT is not the only text of Judaism:
"What is Tanakh and Talmud"?
The Talmud is a commentary made by important Rabbis on the Torah and Tanakh. It gives guidance on the laws and teachings of the Hebrew Bible.
Funny how your ignorance turns facts into lies.

Fact is: Jerusalem contains sites considered holy in Islam, from the very beginnings of Islam. 

Don't like it? Well, suck it up...

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Obviously not as many as a deluded 'individial sovereignty'/"freedom" ideologue.

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No, I told you it's instinct that causes ALL men to behave monstrously, especially re possession of land (like the insane monster who murdered Rabin, citing OT mythology) unless that instinct is understood.

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No, see above.

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Narratives about the Jewish prophets, who are also prophets of Islam; and 7/8th century Hadith narratives about Jerusalem: "the most holy site in Palestine"

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The Hadith certainly mentions 'holy Jerusalem' by its Arabic names, as already shown.

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Refuted above. Why do you repudiate  UN res 181 and 242?

freediver wrote on May 5^th, 2023 at 10:00pm:


Not called by that name, but understood in Islam to be  "the farthest mosque" (Koran: 17.1) .

You want to  overturn that 1400 year old interpretation, to suit you own pathetic instincts? 

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But no disagreement among islamic scholars - from the earliest times - over the interpretation of "the farthest mosque."