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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #660 - May 10^th, 2023 at 5:53pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 10^th, 2023 at 12:13pm: freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2023 at 6:42am: Do you think Muslims might use stronger wording than that in condemning Jews? All Moslems? Islam.
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Reply #661 - May 10^th, 2023 at 11:04pm

freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 10^th, 2023 at 12:13pm:

freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2023 at 6:42am:

Do you think Muslims might use stronger wording than that in condemning Jews?

All Moslems?

Islam.

Islam says: "Most Jews, however, are condemned for both rejecting the Prophet and failing to live up to their own religious imperatives."

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #662 - May 11^th, 2023 at 5:53am Where does it say that?
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Reply #663 - May 11^th, 2023 at 1:58pm

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2023 at 5:53am:

Where does it say that?

eg koran 2,132

'children of israel, remember how i blessed you and favoured you over other people.....beware of a day (of judgement)...

124, i will make abraham a leader, but my pledge does not apply to those coming after him who do evil....

...as Jews and Christians do in arguing over God..eg

2,39 how can you argue with us about God when He is our lord and your lord....

one of many instances, according the index in my Koran, referring to Jews (and Christians)

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #664 - May 11^th, 2023 at 5:15pm Quote: eg koran 2,132 'children of israel, remember how i blessed you and favoured you over other people.....beware of a day (of judgement)... Do you think you might be misrepresenting what The Quran says by leaving out the first half of the sentence?
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Reply #665 - May 11^th, 2023 at 11:58pm

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2023 at 5:15pm:

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eg koran 2,132

'children of israel, remember how i blessed you and favoured you over other people.....beware of a day (of judgement)...

Do you think you might be misrepresenting what The Quran says by leaving out the first half of the sentence?

No; as already mentioned: "Most Jews, however, are condemned for both rejecting the Prophet and failing to live up to their own religious imperatives."

Feel free to show how"missing out the first half of the sentence" changes the point above.

Meanwhile you miss out "2,39 how can you argue with us about God when He is our lord and your lord...."

Obviously Muhhamad was none too pleased with "the Children of Israel....

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49065 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #666 - May 12^th, 2023 at 6:24am Both Jew and Moslem will unite under the sacrificial Christianity.
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Reply #667 - May 12^th, 2023 at 6:29am

thegreatdivide wrote on May 11^th, 2023 at 11:58pm:

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2023 at 5:15pm:

Quote:

eg koran 2,132

'children of israel, remember how i blessed you and favoured you over other people.....beware of a day (of judgement)...

Do you think you might be misrepresenting what The Quran says by leaving out the first half of the sentence?

No; as already mentioned: "Most Jews, however, are condemned for both rejecting the Prophet and failing to live up to their own religious imperatives."

Feel free to show how"missing out the first half of the sentence" changes the point above.

Meanwhile you miss out "2,39 how can you argue with us about God when He is our lord and your lord...."

Obviously Muhhamad was none too pleased with "the Children of Israel....

Here's one for you.

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49065 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #668 - May 12^th, 2023 at 6:35am You are both arguing over the 'old' breaking or division of Religion in the Middle-East 'before' the New Worlds. Christianity is breaking back from Europe with Germany the first to fall. France is next, followed by Italy then Britain finally.
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Reply #669 - May 12^th, 2023 at 11:51am

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2023 at 6:29am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 11^th, 2023 at 11:58pm:

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2023 at 5:15pm:

Quote:

eg koran 2,132

'children of israel, remember how i blessed you and favoured you over other people.....beware of a day (of judgement)...

Do you think you might be misrepresenting what The Quran says by leaving out the first half of the sentence?

No; as already mentioned: "Most Jews, however, are condemned for both rejecting the Prophet and failing to live up to their own religious imperatives."

Feel free to show how"missing out the first half of the sentence" changes the point above.

Meanwhile you miss out "2,39 how can you argue with us about God when He is our lord and your lord...."

Obviously Muhhamad was none too pleased with "the Children of Israel....

Here's one for you.

So (as expected) you decline to show the relevance of your remark re "leaving out the first sentence"...and decline to comment on Muhammad's own thought re the Children of Israel (ie Jews).

So let's see what you got:

Quote:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Nice stuff, eh...the fate of 'infidels' according to the Koran.

You think you have shown something important: all you have shown is your own blind "freedom" ideology which is complicit in prolonging the insane ME conflict, and in which Biden and Guterres are reduced to bleating about both sides "exercizing maximum restraint". Pathetic.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #670 - May 12^th, 2023 at 7:12pm Quote: Nice stuff, eh...the fate of 'infidels' according to the Koran. You'll notice it actually used the word Jew.
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 13043 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #671 - May 12^th, 2023 at 7:42pm freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2023 at 7:12pm: Quote: Nice stuff, eh...the fate of 'infidels' according to the Koran. You'll notice it actually used the word Jew. er....the "Children of Israel" are...?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #672 - May 12^th, 2023 at 7:44pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 12^th, 2023 at 7:42pm: freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2023 at 7:12pm: Quote: Nice stuff, eh...the fate of 'infidels' according to the Koran. You'll notice it actually used the word Jew. er....the "Children of Israel" are...? Infidels?
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Reply #673 - May 12^th, 2023 at 10:36pm

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 12^th, 2023 at 7:42pm:

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2023 at 7:12pm:

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Nice stuff, eh...the fate of 'infidels' according to the Koran.

You'll notice it actually used the word Jew.

er....the "Children of Israel" are...?

Infidels?

Yes, ie people including the "Children of Israel" (and Christians) who "argue about God"....

You infidel

See how blind ideology cripples the capacity for rational analysis...

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #674 - May 13^th, 2023 at 10:12am Do you think all the talk of slaughtering Jews in Islamic literature, and Muhammad's predilection for Jew slaughtering, might influence the attitudes of middle eastern Muslims to Jews in particular establishing their own state there?
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