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Re: Zionism
Reply #720 - May 22^nd, 2023 at 10:24pm

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 7:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 6:42pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 6:31pm:

Do you realise that the battle of Badr was named after the city near which it was fought?

And?

And it is not in Mecca.

Would you like me to draw you a picture?

Neither is Medina:

https://www.al-islam.org/brief-history-muhammad-last-prophet-abolfazl-sabouri/me...

The second battle between the Quraish and the Muslims was the battle of Uhud.1 The idolaters, to revenge their loss at Badr, made tremendous preparations for a new attack on the Muslims. They collected an army of three thousand strong men, of whom seven hundred were armed with coats of mail and two hundred horses. These forces advanced under the conduct of Abu-Sufyan and encamped at a village six miles from Medina, where they gave themselves up to spoiling the fields and flocks of the people of Medina. The Prophet, being inferior to his enemies in number, at first determined to keep himself within the town and to receive them there. However, afterward, the advice of some of his companions prevailing, he marched out against them at the head of one thousand men, of whom one hundred were armed with coats of mail. With these forces, he halted at Mount Uhud. Abdullah Ibn Ubai, the leader of the Hypocrites, soon abandoned him with three hundred of his followers. Thus, the small force of the Prophet was reduced to seven hundred.

Still no mention of Jews.

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Reply #721 - May 23^rd, 2023 at 6:54am

I don't even have to get out the crayons. You did that yourself.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 6:27pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 6:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:51pm:

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 5:52pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 5:07pm:

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So....after previous battles in which Jews had shown themselves to be infidels

Which battles would they be?

The ones in Mecca, before the city accepted Islam.

So Muhammad slaughtered this tribe of Jews after the battles in Mecca?

That's correct,

No it isn't.

Badr - an Arabian affair - was Muhammad's 1st battle.

Show us where he attacked Jews first, before beginning his Islamic mission.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 6:42pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 6:31pm:

Do you realise that the battle of Badr was named after the city near which it was fought?

And?

Do you see what I am getting at?

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Reply #722 - May 23^rd, 2023 at 11:24am

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 6:54am:

I don't even have to get out the crayons. You did that yourself.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 6:27pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 6:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:51pm:

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 5:52pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 5:07pm:

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So....after previous battles in which Jews had shown themselves to be infidels

Which battles would they be?

The ones in Mecca, before the city accepted Islam.

So Muhammad slaughtered this tribe of Jews after the battles in Mecca?

That's correct,

No it isn't.

Badr - an Arabian affair - was Muhammad's 1st battle.

Show us where he attacked Jews first, before beginning his Islamic mission.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 6:42pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 6:31pm:

Do you realise that the battle of Badr was named after the city near which it was fought?

And?

Do you see what I am getting at?

No, please spell it out, and make an idiot of yourself.

Muhammad's 1st and 2nd battles (with many to follow) were against 'infidels' in Arabia, not exclusively Jews.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #723 - May 23^rd, 2023 at 5:42pm If the battle happened in Badr, it could not have been in Mecca. They are two different places.
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Online Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12978 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #724 - May 24^th, 2023 at 12:07pm freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2023 at 5:42pm: If the battle happened in Badr, it could not have been in Mecca. They are two different places. There were many battles in Arabia before Islam was accepted by the bulk of the Arabs; Jews were incidental in those battles.
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Reply #725 - May 24^th, 2023 at 5:36pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:51pm:

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 5:52pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 5:07pm:

Quote:

So....after previous battles in which Jews had shown themselves to be infidels

Which battles would they be?

The ones in Mecca, before the city accepted Islam.

So Muhammad slaughtered this tribe of Jews after the battles in Mecca?

That's correct,

Do you still think this is correct?

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Reply #726 - May 24^th, 2023 at 9:45pm

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2023 at 5:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 22^nd, 2023 at 12:51pm:

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 5:52pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 5:07pm:

Quote:

So....after previous battles in which Jews had shown themselves to be infidels

Which battles would they be?

The ones in Mecca, before the city accepted Islam.

So Muhammad slaughtered this tribe of Jews after the battles in Mecca?

That's correct,

Do you still think this is correct?

Yes, i think it's correct because there were lots of battles against infidels (those who declined to accept Islam) in Arabia; you need to show the first battle in Arabia was directed against Jews specifically, to confirm your thesis that "Muhammad especially slaughtered Jews" .....and even then your thesis is doubtful - what were the circumstances in which the particular Jewish tribe you mentioned surrendered?

Note: The Prophet first received the Revelation in a cave near Mecca, his home town to which he returned to begin teaching the new faith....in Mecca.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #727 - May 25^th, 2023 at 7:14am And the battle in Mecca you refer is the one that wasn't in Mecca?
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Reply #728 - May 25^th, 2023 at 12:25pm

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 7:14am:

And the battle in Mecca you refer is the one that wasn't in Mecca?

Irrelevant to your ignorant thesis that "Muhammad especially slaughtered Jews".

So you keep wanting me to do your grubby work...

Google:

"This decisive battle (Badr), which was fought to counter the enemies of Islam, happened two years after Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) migrated from Makkah to Madinah with the permission of Allah".

Your turn to reveal when "the slaughter of the Jewish tribe who surrendered" occurred.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #729 - May 25^th, 2023 at 6:53pm Quote: Irrelevant to your ignorant thesis that "Muhammad especially slaughtered Jews". Well that would depend on the facts, wouldn't it? And so far all your fact are backwards.
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Reply #730 - May 26^th, 2023 at 1:41pm

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2023 at 6:53pm:

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Irrelevant to your ignorant thesis that "Muhammad especially slaughtered Jews".

Well that would depend on the facts, wouldn't it? And so far all your fact are backwards.

Well..when are you going to tell us about the time, place and circumstances in which "Muhammad especially slaughtered Jews"?

Go on.... google is there; I have backed all my points re the Prophet's battles against infidels, now its your turn to prove he "singled out Jews for slaughter...even when they were surrendering"....

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48719 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #731 - May 26^th, 2023 at 2:05pm Two Jews walk into a Moslem Bar.
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Online Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12978 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #732 - May 26^th, 2023 at 5:01pm Jasin wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 2:05pm: Two Jews walk into a Moslem Bar. There weren't any bars in Muhammad's Arabia (sorry, couldn't resist...).
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #733 - May 26^th, 2023 at 5:35pm Quote: Well..when are you going to tell us about the time, place and circumstances in which "Muhammad especially slaughtered Jews"? Right after I get you to stop telling lies.
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Online Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12978 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #734 - May 26^th, 2023 at 11:05pm freediver wrote on May 26^th, 2023 at 5:35pm: Quote: Well..when are you going to tell us about the time, place and circumstances in which "Muhammad especially slaughtered Jews"? Right after I get you to stop telling lies. Feel free to identify my 'lie'....
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