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Reply #750 - Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 5:31pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 2:21pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 2:09pm:

My apologies. I didn't realise you were merely attempting to change the subject.

The Quran and Hadiths have a lot of nasty propaganda targeted at Jews specifically. This reflects Muhammad's hostility towards Jews specifically, and his eagerness to slaughter them specifically. He used revelations from god to justify slaughtering Jews specifically (not specific Jews, all Jews). The attitude of today's Muslims towards Jews reflects Muhammad's actions, words and religious texts.

That is why so many Muslims fled Israel, as even your own evidence states. They believed their own propaganda, so it makes perfectly sense that they would be frothing at the mouth at the prospect of Jews being in control.

Israel did not exist until after the genocide against Palestinians.

Jews lived peacefully among Muslims in many Muslim countries until Jews committed genocide against Palestinians.

The genocide of Palestinians was a holocaust.

Which countries did Jews "live peacefully" in? The majority of Jewish immigrants to Israel came from nearby Muslim countries who took the opportunity following the holocaust to get rid of their few remaining Jews, and followed it up by trying to drive them into the sea.

Despite this, Muslims living in Israel today have more rights and freedoms than in any of the neighbouring countries. If Muslims had any concern for freedom and democracy they would be championing Israel. But they don't.

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Reply #751 - Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 5:51pm

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 2:09pm:

My apologies. I didn't realise you were merely attempting to change the subject.

You mean; why did Muhammad slaughter particular surrendering jews - which you are resting your false argument on.

Already explained to you why this specific case happened, ie they were treacherous a-holes aligning themselves with Muhammad's enemies.

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The Quran and Hadiths have a lot of nasty propaganda targeted at Jews specifically.

No, only the trecherous ones who broke agreements and refused to accept Islam.....ok, eventually all of them, because they were infidels, not because they were Jews.

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He used revelations from god to justify slaughtering Jews specifically (not specific Jews, all Jews).

Your error, Muhammad had an agreement with Jews, they broke it, thereafter he regarded all jews as infidels.

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That is why so many Muslims fled Israel, as even your own evidence states.

like many Ukranians fled Ukraine...you have it back to front as usual; in this case Jews were doing the slaughering of Moslem villagers in 1948.

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They believed their own propaganda,

Classic; a blind, self-deceiving, instinct driven conservative talking about self-affirming propaganda.

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Reply #752 - Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 5:56pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 5:51pm:

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The Quran and Hadiths have a lot of nasty propaganda targeted at Jews specifically.

No, only the trecherous ones who broke agreements and refused to accept Islam.....ok, eventually all of them, because they were infidels, not because they were Jews.

Do you think it is reasonable to identify who is guilty of treason by inspecting their genitals?

Can you explain why you think this passage only applies to Jews who fail the genital inspection?

https://alsalafiyyah.github.io/hadith-on-stones-will-speak

It was reported that Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with them both) said: “I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) saying: ‘You (i.e. Muslims) will fight against the Jews and you will gain victory over them. The stones will (betray them) saying: ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’ 1 This Hadith was reported by Al-Bukhari.

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He used revelations from god to justify slaughtering Jews specifically (not specific Jews, all Jews).

Your error, Muhammad had an agreement with Jews, they broke it, thereafter he regarded all jews as infidels.

After Muhammad won his first battle (Badr - the one you brought up earlier), he addressed a nest of Jews in the market place and threatened them with the same fate if they did not convert to Islam. Do you think the Jews signed up for that, and deserved genocide for reneging?

Why are you so eager to excuse slaughtering Jews?

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Reply #753 - Jun 4^th, 2023 at 10:39am

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 5:56pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2023 at 5:51pm:

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The Quran and Hadiths have a lot of nasty propaganda targeted at Jews specifically.

No, only the trecherous ones who broke agreements and refused to accept Islam.....ok, eventually all of them, because they were infidels, not because they were Jews.

Do you think it is reasonable to identify who is guilty of treason by inspecting their genitals?

For Muhammad to find out who were the traitors who reneged on an agreement? When it comes to infidels, reason is moot.

What is certain is your rejection of international law is egregious, the consequence of your blind selfinterested instincts informing your judeo-christian ideology.

Both the OT and the Koran need to be proscribed under modern international law, as formulated in UN res 181 and 242.

Blind ideologues always find "reasons" for the 'superiority' of their own stance; but the UN certainly did not intend to create the current oppresion of Palestinians practiced by Israel.

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Reply #755 - Jun 4^th, 2023 at 11:32am

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 11:24am:

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Both the OT and the Koran need to be proscribed under modern international law, as formulated in UN res 181 and 242.

Meaning what? Burned?

And you say this, despite having no clue what is in them.

Proscribed, meaning heavily redacted in courts of law.

And yes I have read both.

Interestingly, so have others:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-6579436

Utah primary schools ban Bible for 'vulgarity and violence'

It seems to me you haven't read the bible...

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Reply #757 - Jun 4^th, 2023 at 11:51am

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

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Proscribed, meaning heavily redacted in courts of law.

SO you think the courts are going to start editing religious documents?

Stop asking inane questions, learn to think clearly for once.

Difficult I know for a blind self-interested ideologue who insists law be based on 'individual sovereignty', rather than collective well-being.

International courts need to be infomed by the violent vulgarities and legal obsolences in ancient religious texts, especially OT and Koran.

And indeed the OT and Koran need to be proscribed in the UNGA, once and for all, as part of the process of building effective international law.

Despite your evil ideology of 'self-interest first'.

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Reply #758 - Jun 4^th, 2023 at 1:35pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

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Proscribed, meaning heavily redacted in courts of law.

SO you think the courts are going to start editing religious documents?

Stop asking inane questions, learn to think clearly for once.

Difficult I know for a blind self-interested ideologue who insists law be based on 'individual sovereignty', rather than collective well-being.

International courts need to be infomed by the violent vulgarities and legal obsolences in ancient religious texts, especially OT and Koran.

Have you tried sending them an email?

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Reply #759 - Jun 4^th, 2023 at 2:28pm

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 1:35pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

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Proscribed, meaning heavily redacted in courts of law.

SO you think the courts are going to start editing religious documents?

Stop asking inane questions, learn to think clearly for once.

Difficult I know for a blind self-interested ideologue who insists law be based on 'individual sovereignty', rather than collective well-being.

International courts need to be informed by the violent vulgarities and legal obsolescences in ancient religious texts, especially OT and Koran.

Have you tried sending them an email?

No, but I am pointing out the egregious errors of your self-interested 'individual sovereignty' ideology.

I already commented on your excess of inane questions....part of your attempts to defend the indefensible.

...while the UN is grappling with your blind 'individual sovereignty' ideology as a basis of international law.

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Reply #760 - Jun 4^th, 2023 at 3:36pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 2:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 1:35pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

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Proscribed, meaning heavily redacted in courts of law.

SO you think the courts are going to start editing religious documents?

Stop asking inane questions, learn to think clearly for once.

Difficult I know for a blind self-interested ideologue who insists law be based on 'individual sovereignty', rather than collective well-being.

International courts need to be informed by the violent vulgarities and legal obsolescences in ancient religious texts, especially OT and Koran.

Have you tried sending them an email?

No

If they need to be informed, why don't you inform them?

Or are you part of the conspiracy?

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Reply #761 - Jun 5^th, 2023 at 2:02pm

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 3:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 2:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 1:35pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

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Proscribed, meaning heavily redacted in courts of law.

SO you think the courts are going to start editing religious documents?

Stop asking inane questions, learn to think clearly for once.

Difficult I know for a blind self-interested ideologue who insists law be based on 'individual sovereignty', rather than collective well-being.

International courts need to be informed by the violent vulgarities and legal obsolescences in ancient religious texts, especially OT and Koran.

Have you tried sending them an email?

No

If they need to be informed, why don't you inform them?

because they are still constrained by your blind "individual soveignty" ideology. I have emailed the UN, but blind instinct still reigns supreme, that's why the UNSC veto still exists, so blind ideologues like you can...eg....maintain Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine.

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Reply #762 - Jun 5^th, 2023 at 6:01pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 2:02pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 3:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 2:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 1:35pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

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Proscribed, meaning heavily redacted in courts of law.

SO you think the courts are going to start editing religious documents?

Stop asking inane questions, learn to think clearly for once.

Difficult I know for a blind self-interested ideologue who insists law be based on 'individual sovereignty', rather than collective well-being.

International courts need to be informed by the violent vulgarities and legal obsolescences in ancient religious texts, especially OT and Koran.

Have you tried sending them an email?

No

If they need to be informed, why don't you inform them?

because they are still constrained by your blind "individual soveignty" ideology. I have emailed the UN, but blind instinct still reigns supreme, that's why the UNSC veto still exists, so blind ideologues like you can...eg....maintain Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine.

Wait, have you emailed them or not?

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Reply #763 - Jun 5^th, 2023 at 9:50pm

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 2:02pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 3:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 2:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 1:35pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 11:39am:

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Proscribed, meaning heavily redacted in courts of law.

SO you think the courts are going to start editing religious documents?

Stop asking inane questions, learn to think clearly for once.

Difficult I know for a blind self-interested ideologue who insists law be based on 'individual sovereignty', rather than collective well-being.

International courts need to be informed by the violent vulgarities and legal obsolescences in ancient religious texts, especially OT and Koran.

Have you tried sending them an email?

No

If they need to be informed, why don't you inform them?

because they are still constrained by your blind "individual soveignty" ideology. I have emailed the UN, but blind instinct still reigns supreme, that's why the UNSC veto still exists, so blind ideologues like you can...eg....maintain Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine.

Wait, have you emailed them or not?

The UN yes, the international courts - no.

I think the UNGA is the best place to overcome the 'individual sovereignty' delusion, because all 200 nations want collective security, though some dispute 'common prosperity'.

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