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Re: Zionism
Reply #765 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 12:22pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 6:40am:
Why do the courts need to be told if the UNGA is better placed to respond?


They don't: but courts also need to be aware of a sound basis for the law, ie, they need to acknowledge  the "individividual sovereignty" delusion, and the UNGA is the best body to propagate that truth, so eventually the world can rid itself of the crippling UNSC veto power.
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Reply #766 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:20pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 12:22pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 6:40am:
Why do the courts need to be told if the UNGA is better placed to respond?


They don't:


So why did you just say they need to be informed?
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Reply #767 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 4:55pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:20pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 12:22pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 6:40am:
Why do the courts need to be told if the UNGA is better placed to respond?


They don't:


So why did you just say they need to be informed?


That's the UNGA's job, to inform the law in the service of the UNUDHR.
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Reply #768 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 5:46pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 4:55pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:20pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 12:22pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 6:40am:
Why do the courts need to be told if the UNGA is better placed to respond?


They don't:


So why did you just say they need to be informed?


That's the UNGA's job, to inform the law in the service of the UNUDHR.


OK I get it. So the international courts need to be informed of the evil of religion so they can re-write religious texts, and it is the UNGA's job to let them know, so you emailed the UNGA instead of the international courts?

How did that work out?
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Reply #769 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 5:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 5:46pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 4:55pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:20pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 12:22pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 6:40am:
Why do the courts need to be told if the UNGA is better placed to respond?


They don't:


So why did you just say they need to be informed?


That's the UNGA's job, to inform the law in the service of the UNUDHR.


OK I get it. So the international courts need to be informed of the evil of religion so they can re-write religious texts, and it is the UNGA's job to let them know, so you emailed the UNGA instead of the international courts?

How did that work out?


I already told you: the  instinct-driven blind 'individiual sovereignty' ideologues are preventing reform, and abolition of the veto in the UNSC (as confirmed to me in an email from a correspondent, formerly in the UN).   

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Reply #770 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 6:08pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 5:57pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 5:46pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 4:55pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:20pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 12:22pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 6:40am:
Why do the courts need to be told if the UNGA is better placed to respond?


They don't:


So why did you just say they need to be informed?


That's the UNGA's job, to inform the law in the service of the UNUDHR.


OK I get it. So the international courts need to be informed of the evil of religion so they can re-write religious texts, and it is the UNGA's job to let them know, so you emailed the UNGA instead of the international courts?

How did that work out?


I already told you: the  instinct-driven blind 'individiual sovereignty' ideologues are preventing reform, and abolition of the veto in the UNSC (as confirmed to me in an email from a correspondent, formerly in the UN).   



Are you saying they ignored you?
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Reply #771 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 6:15pm
 
Mossad and its Zionist predecessors Irgun, Stern, and Haganah committed many false flag attacks against Jews in Muslim countries to terrorize the Jews to move to Israel.

Zionists were using terrorism long before Israel existed and long before any Arabs used terrorism.

https://www.vtforeignpolicy.com/2023/06/zionist-jewish-israelis-worst-antisemite...

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Zionist Jewish Israelis are the Worst Anti-Semites

VT's Elias Akleh exposes the Real Meaning of Anti-Semitism

By Dr. Elias Akleh -June 5, 2023...

...The case of transferring more than 120,000 Jewish Iraqis (a must-read at this link) from Iraq is probably the most well-documented open secret exposed in JEWS OF IRAQ by Naeim Giladi (another must-read) a Jewish Iraqi, who is very well familiar with the Israeli “anti-Semitic” terrorist attacks against Jewish communities in Iraq. He started one of his articles by stating:

“I write this article for the same reason I wrote my book, to tell the American people, and especially American Jews, that Jews from Islamic lands did not emigrate willingly to Israel; that, to force them to leave, Jews killed Jews; and that, to buy time to confiscate ever more Arab lands, Jews on numerous occasions rejected genuine peace initiatives from their Arab neighbors. I write about what the first prime minister of Israel (David Ben-Gurion) called “cruel Zionism”. I write about it because I WAS PART OF IT.”

He also emphasized that: “Zionist propagandists still maintain that the bombs in Iraq were set off by anti-Jewish Iraqis who wanted Jews out of their country. The terrible truth is that the grenades that killed and maimed Iraqi Jews and damaged their property were thrown by Zionist Jews.”

Naeim Giladi knows exactly what he was talking about for he was a Mossad undercover agent in Iraq. He joined the Zionist underground as a young man and participated in the “anti-Semitic” attacks against Jewish communities in Iraq. He later regretted his role in this terror campaign, especially after immigrating to Israel, and faced the inhumane racism, discrimination, and contempt the Sephardic Arab Jews were subjected to by the European Ashkenazi Jewish leading elite. He wrote his book “Ben Gurion’s Scandals: How the Haganah & the Mossad Eliminated Jews” in which he documented that Operation Ezra & Nehemiah, also known as Operation Ali Baba, was the airlift of more than 120 thousand Jews from Iraq
to Israel as a result of Israeli Mossad agents’ “anti-Semitic” terrorist attacks against Jews in Iraq.


Mossad’s “anti-Semitic” terror operations against the Jewish community in Morocco (Al-Maghrib) is another well-known example. After 781 years of thriving peacefully along their Moslem Arab neighbors, the Moors, under the Islamic Caliphate rule in Al-Andalus (present-day Spain) Mizrahi Jews, faced either extermination or forceful conversion to Christianity after Ferdinand II of Aragon & Isabella Queen of Castilla regained control of Spain, escaped to the more welcoming Islamic Morocco. For the next 500 years, the Jews prospered in all facets of Moroccan life; business, trade, education, and even government. The Moroccan Jewish communities constituted the largest of the Jewish communities in North Africa at the time. Zionist Israeli leaders coveted their wealth.


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Israeli historian Yigal Bin-Nun, originally a Jewish Moroccan and a professor at Bar-Ilan University published historical research in the Hebrew paper Yediot Aharonot in October 2013 revealing that in the early 1960s Mossad agents were sent to Morocco to carry out “anti-Semitic” attacks against the well-settled Jews in Morocco to terrorize them, and subsequently convince them they were victims of violent persecution by the Moroccan authorities and encouraging them to escape to the “Promised Land” promising them all kinds of financial help. They chartered an old worn-out Spanish ship to smuggle Moroccan Jews to Israel. Very few Jews and only the very poor immigrated.

Bin-Nun also reported that the Israeli Foreign Minister, then Golda Meir, stated that Israel needs to take drastic action that would shock Moroccan Jews into immigration even if it would cost the lives of many other Jews. The Mossad’s chief at the time, Isser Harel, was reported responding “We are in need of Jewish martyrs.” It followed then that the smuggling charter ship was mysteriously made to sink with 44 Jews and the entire crew still on board. The Mossad allowed three of their Jewish Moroccan operatives to be discovered. They were arrested and reported dead allegedly under torture.

Finally, Mossad distributed leaflets and published a press release attributed to the Jewish community in Morocco calling for massive departure to escape Moroccan “anti-Semitism”. The Israeli government in turn applied a lot of political pressure on the newly appointed King Hassan II, who was compelled to sign an agreement facilitating Moroccan Jews’ departure. It was estimated that 160,000 Moroccan Jews eventually left the country; the very rich preferred to travel to France at their own expense, while the majority poor were transferred to Israel.

Many other Moroccan Jewish historians had written about Mossad’s terrorist crimes against Moroccan Jews to cause such massive immigration. Among them is Michel Knafo, who published his book in French “Le Mossad et les Secrets du Reseau Juif au Maroc” ; (The Mossad and the Secrets of the Jewish Network in Morocco)...
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Reply #772 - Jun 6th, 2023 at 11:20pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 5:51pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 2:09pm:
My apologies. I didn't realise you were merely attempting to change the subject.


You mean; why did Muhammad slaughter particular  surrendering jews - which you are resting your false argument on.

Already explained to you why this specific case happened, ie they were treacherous a-holes aligning themselves with Muhammad's enemies.   

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The Quran and Hadiths have a lot of nasty propaganda targeted at Jews specifically.


No, only the trecherous ones who broke agreements and refused to accept Islam.....ok,  eventually all of them, because they were infidels, not because they were Jews.

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He used revelations from god to justify slaughtering Jews specifically (not specific Jews, all Jews).


Your error, Muhammad had an agreement with Jews, they broke it, thereafter he regarded all  jews as infidels.




Was it 5000 or 15,000 Meccans who wanted Muhammad for robbing the trade caravans that passed between Syria and Arabia?

If the jews were guilty of treachery regarding this why did the Meccans pack up and go home when they couldn't get Muhammad?

Were there any jews left to give their side of this story or do we only have what muslims say?

The Jews protected Muhammad from 15,000 soldiers who packed up and went home, are we to believe the muslim account which basically had jews saying they were ok with Muhammad killing all the men by beheading them and enslaving the women and children and stealing all their wealth which was divided up amongst muslims, it seems a bit far fetched to me.

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And know that anything you obtain of war booty - then indeed, for Allah is one fifth of it and for the Messenger and for [his] near relatives and the orphans, the needy, and the [stranded] traveler, if you have believed in Allah and in that which We sent down to Our Servant on the day of criterion - the day when the two armies met. And Allah , over all things, is competent.

https://legacy.quran.com/8/41


Why does Allah demand 20% of all war booty, will muslims be richer if they can rape and pillage Israel?

Muhammad tried to pass himself off as a prophet in the Jewish religion he adopted many dietry and dress requirements from the jews.The jews rejected Muhammad as a prophet in their religion which resulted in Muhammad hating the jews. This is covered in the Sira of Ibn Hisham.
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Reply #773 - Jun 7th, 2023 at 12:23pm
 
Antisemites are natural allies of Zionists. They both have the same objective, to terrorize non-Israeli Jews to move to Israel.

Zionist propagandists like FleaDriver have no answer to such arguments and their evidence.

https://www.vtforeignpolicy.com/2023/06/zionist-jewish-israelis-worst-antisemite...

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... To encourage European Jewish immigration to Palestine Theodore Herzl, the claimed father of Zionism, came up with a wicked long-term strategy that he concluded in his “Diaries” stating that: “the anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries are our allies …the anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews”. In other words, inciting and intensifying anti-Semitic/anti-Jewish hatred, enmity, and oppressive behaviors would push the Jews to leave their countries and immigrate to Palestine running away from such oppression.

Here comes the Zionist-Nazi alliance, what is known as the Ha’avara Agreement signed by David Ben-Gurion and Adolf Hitler in 1933 after the Zionist declaration of the international economic boycott of German goods.

According to this agreement the Third Reich agreed on arrangements whereby Jewish Germans especially the wealthy could emigrate to Palestine under somewhat favorable financial conditions, and whereby Labour Zionism would break the international economic boycott and the German trade with Palestinian Jewry would increase.

Zionist Jewish Agency took this opportunity to send its operatives to Germany to convert Jewish Germans to Zionist ideology. Jewish Germans vehemently rejected Zionism due to their strong patriotic feelings and loyalty to the German fatherland. They considered Zionism as an enemy from within. The religious Jewish sector also reacted with equal condemnation clinging to their Judaic belief that return to the Promised Land would happen only under the leadership of the awaited Messiah. They saw Zionism, therefore, as sacrilege.

Yet money, strong propaganda, and the Zionist political party penetrated the hearts and minds of many Jewish Germans, particularly the vulnerable young generations. Through bribery and in time Zionists became the only non-Nazi political party allowed to operate in Nazi Germany similar to the unamerican Jewish Lobby in the present USA.

Eventually many Jewish German soldiers adopted Zionism, and conducted an “anti-Semitic” campaign against abstinent Jewish families that included murdering and arresting parents and adults sending them to labor concentration camps, while leaving the children victims to other so-called humanitarian Zionist organizations, who under the guise of protection would kidnap the children, ship them to Palestine to live, to be brainwashed and to be trained as future soldiers in militarized Zionist Kibbutz disguised as farming communities.


The Zionist Jewish Agency did not hesitate to perpetrate attacks against Jews claiming anti-Semitic terror to gain the sympathy and financial support of wealthy British and American Jews. Under the Ha’avara Agreement, the Central Office for Jewish Emigration (Die Zentralstelle für Jüdische Ausvandarung, ZJA) chartered in 1940 three ships: SS Pacifica, SS Milos, and SS Atlantic to transfer 3600 Jewish Germans to British Mandate Palestine.

In its attempt to regulate and control Jewish immigration to Palestine the British authority in Palestine captured these ships, and transferred their passengers to a larger ship; the SS Patria in the process of deploying them and temporarily settling them on Mauritius an African island in the Indian Ocean.

As revealed later, to sabotage this deployment Moshe Sharett, head of the Political Department of the Zionist Jewish Agency, authorized the bombing of the Patria. At least 267 Jews were killed, and the rest were rescued by British and Arab boats. “Anti-Semitic” terror was initially claimed to be the cause. Sympathetic outrage erupted in Britain and in the US for the survivors, who were then allowed to stay in Palestine.


SS Patria sinking in Haifa port
The SS Patria

Five other similar attacks were perpetrated in 1947 and 1948 against ships moored in Italian ports ready to transport European Jews to Palestine. These bombings were claimed as “anti-Semitic” terror attacks called Operation Embarrass perpetrated by British MI6 to curb Jewish immigration. It is worth mentioning here that Britain was the initiator and big supporter of establishing a Jewish state in Palestine through their Balfour Declaration.


A nameplate preserved from Patria
The bombing and the international Zionist media propaganda campaign against MI6 came to pressure the British government to rescind its 1939 White Paper. The White Paper was a British policy issued in response to the 1936-1939 Palestinian revolt against the influx of illegal Jewish immigration and against the recommendation of the British Peel Commission to partition Palestine. ...
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Reply #774 - Jun 7th, 2023 at 12:27pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 6:08pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 5:57pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 5:46pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 4:55pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 2:20pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 12:22pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 6:40am:
Why do the courts need to be told if the UNGA is better placed to respond?


They don't:


So why did you just say they need to be informed?


That's the UNGA's job, to inform the law in the service of the UNUDHR.


OK I get it. So the international courts need to be informed of the evil of religion so they can re-write religious texts, and it is the UNGA's job to let them know, so you emailed the UNGA instead of the international courts?

How did that work out?


I already told you: the  instinct-driven blind 'individiual sovereignty' ideologues are preventing reform, and abolition of the veto in the UNSC (as confirmed to me in an email from a correspondent, formerly in the UN).   



Are you saying they ignored you?


My contact in the UN certainly did not ignore me; and he told me the movement for reform in the UNSC is ongoing - though hindered by your "individual (national) sovereignty" ideology.
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Reply #775 - Jun 7th, 2023 at 12:46pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 6th, 2023 at 11:20pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 5:51pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2023 at 2:09pm:
My apologies. I didn't realise you were merely attempting to change the subject.


You mean; why did Muhammad slaughter particular  surrendering jews - which you are resting your false argument on.

Already explained to you why this specific case happened, ie they were treacherous a-holes aligning themselves with Muhammad's enemies.   

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The Quran and Hadiths have a lot of nasty propaganda targeted at Jews specifically.


No, only the trecherous ones who broke agreements and refused to accept Islam.....ok,  eventually all of them, because they were infidels, not because they were Jews.

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He used revelations from god to justify slaughtering Jews specifically (not specific Jews, all Jews).


Your error, Muhammad had an agreement with Jews, they broke it, thereafter he regarded all  jews as infidels.




Was it 5000 or 15,000 Meccans who wanted Muhammad for robbing the trade caravans that passed between Syria and Arabia?


Don't know, will you tell us?

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If the jews were guilty of treachery regarding this why did the Meccans pack up and go home when they couldn't get Muhammad?


The treachery of the particular jewish tribe related to a different event, when they caved into the demands of other Jews to break an agreement with Muhammad.   

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Were there any jews left to give their side of this story or do we only have what muslims say?


Of course there were Jews left in Arabia, after its conversion to Islam.

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The Jews protected Muhammad from 15,000 soldiers who packed up and went home, are we to believe the muslim account which basically had jews saying they were ok with Muhammad killing all the men by beheading them and enslaving the women and children and stealing all their wealth which was divided up amongst muslims, it seems a bit far fetched to me.


Note: Muhammad was involved in battles with his own countrymen before the agreement with some Jews was struck - and later broken by them. Muhammad regarded all opponents of Islam as 'infidels' by defintion.

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And know that anything you obtain of war booty - then indeed, for Allah is one fifth of it and for the Messenger and for [his] near relatives and the orphans, the needy, and the [stranded] traveler, if you have believed in Allah and in that which We sent down to Our Servant on the day of criterion - the day when the two armies met. And Allah , over all things, is competent.


That's religious 'revelation' for you...

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Why does Allah demand 20% of all war booty, will muslims be richer if they can rape and pillage Israel?


You'll have to ask Allah, but today Palestinians want their own state as provided by written international law - UN res. 181 and 242.

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Muhammad tried to pass himself off as a prophet in the Jewish religion he adopted many dietry and dress requirements from the jews.The jews rejected Muhammad as a prophet in their religion which resulted in Muhammad hating the jews. This is covered in the Sira of Ibn Hisham.


Hence they are 'infidels', by definition.
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Reply #776 - Jun 7th, 2023 at 1:10pm
 
FleaDriver owns some of his purported antagonists on this string.

Antisemites are natural allies of Zionists. They both have the same objective, to terrorize non-Israeli Jews to move to Israel.

Zionist propagandists like FleaDriver have no answer to such arguments and their evidence.

https://www.vtforeignpolicy.com/2023/06/zionist-jewish-israelis-worst-antisemite...
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Reply #777 - Jun 7th, 2023 at 2:18pm
 
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The treachery of the particular jewish tribe related to a different event, when they caved into the demands of other Jews to break an agreement with Muhammad.


What was the nature of this agreement?
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Reply #778 - Jun 7th, 2023 at 2:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2023 at 2:18pm:
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The treachery of the particular jewish tribe related to a different event, when they caved into the demands of other Jews to break an agreement with Muhammad.


What was the nature of this agreement?


FleaDriver is the master of the Punch and Judy style bogus argument with his associates faking the antagonist position.

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Reply #779 - Jun 7th, 2023 at 5:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2023 at 2:18pm:
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The treachery of the particular jewish tribe related to a different event, when they caved into the demands of other Jews to break an agreement with Muhammad.


What was the nature of this agreement?


You mean this agreement (from your own link, #741)?

""Three Jewish leaders from the tribe of Banu al-Nadir, three Jewish leaders from the tribe of Wa'il, and various other Jewish groups and leaders united and pressured Banu Qurayza to betray their agreement to Muhammad."

Meanwhile, LTYC has linked to disturbing articles revealing the dark side of the Zionist element of "The Chosen People", in #774.
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