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Re: Zionism
Reply #780 - Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:33pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:23pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:18pm:

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The treachery of the particular jewish tribe related to a different event, when they caved into the demands of other Jews to break an agreement with Muhammad.

What was the nature of this agreement?

You mean this agreement (from your own link, #741)?

""Three Jewish leaders from the tribe of Banu al-Nadir, three Jewish leaders from the tribe of Wa'il, and various other Jewish groups and leaders united and pressured Banu Qurayza to betray their agreement to Muhammad."

Meanwhile, LTYC has linked to disturbing articles revealing the dark side of the Zionist element of "The Chosen People", in #774.

Obviously. That is the one we are talking about it. Other than using the term "agreement" to describe it, can you tell us anything about it?

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Re: Zionism
Reply #781 - Jun 7^th, 2023 at 6:41pm

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:23pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:18pm:

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The treachery of the particular jewish tribe related to a different event, when they caved into the demands of other Jews to break an agreement with Muhammad.

What was the nature of this agreement?

You mean this agreement (from your own link, #741)?

""Three Jewish leaders from the tribe of Banu al-Nadir, three Jewish leaders from the tribe of Wa'il, and various other Jewish groups and leaders united and pressured Banu Qurayza to betray their agreement to Muhammad."

Meanwhile, LTYC has linked to disturbing articles revealing the dark side of the Zionist element of "The Chosen People", in #774.

Obviously. That is the one we are talking about it. Other than using the term "agreement" to describe it, can you tell us anything about it?

No, can you? The important thing is there was an agreement/understanding/commitment which other Jews urged them to break.

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Re: Zionism
Reply #782 - Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:36pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 5:23pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 2:18pm:

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The treachery of the particular jewish tribe related to a different event, when they caved into the demands of other Jews to break an agreement with Muhammad.

What was the nature of this agreement?

You mean this agreement (from your own link, #741)?

""Three Jewish leaders from the tribe of Banu al-Nadir, three Jewish leaders from the tribe of Wa'il, and various other Jewish groups and leaders united and pressured Banu Qurayza to betray their agreement to Muhammad."

Meanwhile, LTYC has linked to disturbing articles revealing the dark side of the Zionist element of "The Chosen People", in #774.

Obviously. That is the one we are talking about it. Other than using the term "agreement" to describe it, can you tell us anything about it?

No, can you? The important thing is there was an agreement/understanding/commitment which other Jews urged them to break.

I don't think anyone can. The Muslims I have asked certainly couldn't.

I can tell you that Muslims think it is reasonable for Muhammad to rob and murder Meccan traders, then demand the Jews come to his assistance when the Meccans retaliate. They think it is reasonable for Muhammad to threaten to kill Jews if they do not convert to Islam, then expect the Jews to support him. They think it is reasonable for Muhammad to expel and slaughter the three large Jewish tribes of Medina, one by one, on absurd pretexts, then still claim to be victims when the remaining Jews don't hold up their end of the "bargain".

Does that sound seem reasonable to you? How is it that you claim to oppose evil in religious texts, but then go and parrot it yourself?

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Re: Zionism
Reply #783 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 1:27pm

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:36pm:

I don't think anyone can. The Muslims I have asked certainly couldn't.

Yet no-one is denying an agreement WAS broken?

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I can tell you that Muslims think it is reasonable for Muhammad to rob and murder Meccan traders, then demand the Jews come to his assistance when the Meccans retaliate.

Er... I think you mean Muslims believe an agreement with Muhammad WAS broken by Jews, in the eary days of Muhammad's mission.

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They think it is reasonable for Muhammad to threaten to kill Jews if they do not convert to Islam, then expect the Jews to support him.

Well....what other fate can 'infidels' expect?

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They think it is reasonable for Muhammad to expel and slaughter the three large Jewish tribes of Medina, one by one, on absurd pretexts, then still claim to be victims when the remaining Jews don't hold up their end of the "bargain".

My understanding is the "three Jewish tribes" urged the Jews who had originally made an agreement with Muhammad, to renege on that agreement thus immediately confirming themselves to be 'infidels'.

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Does that sound seem reasonable to you?

Yes, given my understanding (above).

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How is it that you claim to oppose evil in religious texts, but then go and parrot it yourself?

Addressed above.

Obviously all scripture is/was man-made, ie, made by men in search of God; modern international law must accomodate that fact.

Are you ready to support UN res 181 and 242?

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Re: Zionism
Reply #785 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:02pm

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Yet no-one is denying an agreement WAS broken?

I expect if there was an agreement, then Muslims slaughtering Jews suggests it was broken. Unless of course you think the Jews also agreed to that?

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Er... I think you mean Muslims believe an agreement with Muhammad WAS broken by Jews, in the eary days of Muhammad's mission.

Are you disagreeing with me?

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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Zionists and antisemites are natural allies Reply #786 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 7:47pm FleaDriver has earned a platoon of antisemites to complement his Zionists as he proceeds on his mission to turn Ozpolitic into a Mossad propaganda site. https://www.vtforeignpolicy.com/2023/06/zionist-jewish-israelis-worst-antisemite...
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Re: Zionism
Reply #787 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 1:56pm

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:02pm:

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Yet no-one is denying an agreement WAS broken?

I expect if there was an agreement, then Muslims slaughtering Jews suggests it was broken.

Oh dear...classic back to front thinking: Muhammad "slaughtered jews" because they proved themselves to be infidels when they broke the agreement. .

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Are you disagreeing with me?

er .....I'll let you guess; meanwhile LTYC is on the money re Zionism as practised by "The Chosen People".

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Re: Zionism
Reply #788 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:31pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 1:56pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:02pm:

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Yet no-one is denying an agreement WAS broken?

I expect if there was an agreement, then Muslims slaughtering Jews suggests it was broken.

Oh dear...classic back to front thinking: Muhammad "slaughtered jews" because they proved themselves to be infidels when they broke the agreement. .

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Are you disagreeing with me?

er .....I'll let you guess; meanwhile LTYC is on the money re Zionism as practised by "The Chosen People".

So your brilliant insight is that Muhammad slaughtered Jews because they were not Muslims?

How is it that someone who claims to oppose evil in religion at the same time supports genocide by muslims?

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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Zionists and antisemites are natural allies Reply #789 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 7:11pm Zionists terrorized and slaughtered Jews.
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Re: Zionism
Reply #790 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 8:06pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 1:27pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:36pm:

I don't think anyone can. The Muslims I have asked certainly couldn't.

Yet no-one is denying an agreement WAS broken?

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I can tell you that Muslims think it is reasonable for Muhammad to rob and murder Meccan traders, then demand the Jews come to his assistance when the Meccans retaliate.

Er... I think you mean Muslims believe an agreement with Muhammad WAS broken by Jews, in the eary days of Muhammad's mission.

The Meccans packed up and went home when they couldn't get the highway robber called Muhammad.

Muhammad was cool with everything until he claimed the sky fairy told him to attack the jews.

The sky fairy never mentioned anything about a broken agreement that nonsense came out when trying to justify beheading 900 jewish men along with enslaving their women and children and stealing all their wealth.

Muhammad used that money to buy weapons and horses.

I linked a video a while back of Imam saying Allah created Israel so the muslims would know where to find the jews. If they were scattered all over earth it would be impossible for them to follow the texts. Maybe FD could find that video i forgot which thread it's in.

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Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

https://sunnah.com/muslim:2922

So what does that verse say?

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Re: Zionism
Reply #791 - Jun 11^th, 2023 at 2:05pm

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:31pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 1:56pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:02pm:

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Yet no-one is denying an agreement WAS broken?

I expect if there was an agreement, then Muslims slaughtering Jews suggests it was broken.

Oh dear...classic back to front thinking: Muhammad "slaughtered jews" because they proved themselves to be infidels when they broke the agreement. .

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Are you disagreeing with me?

er .....I'll let you guess; meanwhile LTYC is on the money re Zionism as practised by "The Chosen People".

So your brilliant insight is that Muhammad slaughtered Jews because they were not Muslims?

Like I said, you FITH, back-to-front-thinking ideologue.

Listen carefully, Jews became infidels in Muhammad's eyes AFTER they broke an agreement.

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Re: Zionism
Reply #792 - Jun 11^th, 2023 at 2:26pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 8:06pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 1:27pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:36pm:

I don't think anyone can. The Muslims I have asked certainly couldn't.

Yet no-one is denying an agreement WAS broken?

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I can tell you that Muslims think it is reasonable for Muhammad to rob and murder Meccan traders, then demand the Jews come to his assistance when the Meccans retaliate.

Er... I think you mean Muslims believe an agreement with Muhammad WAS broken by Jews, in the eary days of Muhammad's mission.

The Meccans packed up and went home when they couldn't get the highway robber called Muhammad.

Which Meccans, and when? Those Jews who broke an agreement with Muhammad?

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Muhammad was cool with everything until he claimed the sky fairy told him to attack the jews.

Wrong: the "sky fairy", aka the Jewish God - "the One True God", told him to attack Jews who had previously made an agreement - and later broken.

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The sky fairy never mentioned anything about a broken agreement that nonsense came out when trying to justify beheading 900 jewish men along with enslaving their women and children and stealing all their wealth.

So the linked article supplied by FD himself is 'fake news'? There is no denial (in that article) that an agreement WAS made with a particular Jewish tribe.

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Muhammad used that money to buy weapons and horses.

All warriors arm their armies, via theft or taxes.

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I linked a video a while back of Imam saying Allah created Israel so the muslims would know where to find the jews. If they were scattered all over earth it would be impossible for them to follow the texts. Maybe FD could find that video i forgot which thread it's in.

That Iman was obviously talking BS, trying to explain why Allah allowed Israel to be recreated; in any case, the Koran (and Muhammad) never envisioned the recreation of Israel.

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The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

So what does that verse say?

It says the last hour (resurrection day? ) will not come until infidels (and Jews who had proved themselves to be infidels) are elimimated from the earth.

Much like the final battle in Revelations....

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Re: Zionism
Reply #793 - Jun 11^th, 2023 at 2:40pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 2:05pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:31pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 1:56pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:02pm:

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Yet no-one is denying an agreement WAS broken?

I expect if there was an agreement, then Muslims slaughtering Jews suggests it was broken.

Oh dear...classic back to front thinking: Muhammad "slaughtered jews" because they proved themselves to be infidels when they broke the agreement. .

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Are you disagreeing with me?

er .....I'll let you guess; meanwhile LTYC is on the money re Zionism as practised by "The Chosen People".

So your brilliant insight is that Muhammad slaughtered Jews because they were not Muslims?

Like I said, you FITH, back-to-front-thinking ideologue.

Listen carefully, Jews became infidels in Muhammad's eyes AFTER they broke an agreement.

What is your point? That it is OK to commit genocide if you have some kind of lame excuse? I honestly cannot tell if you are criticising Muhammad for being a genocidal lunatic or trying to support him. Do you see Jews as some kind of natural enemy of the Chinese Communist Party?

Do you think Muhammad broke the agreement when he started murdering and robbing Meccan traders, and demanding the Jews assist him? Or when he publicly threatened the Jews with death if they did not convert to Islam? Or when he picked of the 3 large Jewish tribes in Medina, one by one, on feeble excuses?

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Re: Zionism
Reply #794 - Jun 11^th, 2023 at 3:23pm

freediver wrote on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 2:40pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 11^th, 2023 at 2:05pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:31pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 1:56pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 6:02pm:

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Yet no-one is denying an agreement WAS broken?

I expect if there was an agreement, then Muslims slaughtering Jews suggests it was broken.

Oh dear...classic back to front thinking: Muhammad "slaughtered jews" because they proved themselves to be infidels when they broke the agreement. .

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Are you disagreeing with me?

er .....I'll let you guess; meanwhile LTYC is on the money re Zionism as practised by "The Chosen People".

So your brilliant insight is that Muhammad slaughtered Jews because they were not Muslims?

Like I said, you FITH, back-to-front-thinking ideologue.

Listen carefully, Jews became infidels in Muhammad's eyes AFTER they broke an agreement.

What is your point?

My point is that if Jews who said they accepted Allah as the One True God - ie, the God of Abraham, aka as Allah in Arabic, and if those same Jews later broke an agreement with Muhammad and chose to fight against him, then as infidels they were ripe for the sword, same as the 'infidels' who fought Moses and other Jewish prophets during the conquest of the "Promised Land", c. 2 millenia earlier.

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Do you think Muhammad broke the agreement ...

Back to front FITH again, the Jews broke the agreement under discussion first.

Note: Muhammad would obviously only have entered into an agreement with these Jews if he was convinced they were believers in Allah, because anyone else is an afront to the "True" God, by definition.

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