freediver wrote on Jun 12^th, 2023 at 7:11pm:


No way would I believe the Zionist propaganda site Wikipedia over Mr. Pappe.

Besides, your claim that Muslims forced the Jews out is more Zionist propaganda. See The truth behind Israeli propaganda on the 'expulsion' of Arab Jews, by Joseph Massad (published date: 15 December 2020), which echos Mr. Giladi's report:


Israel's fabrications about the immigration of Arab Jews to Israel are so outrageous that the country holds a commemoration on 30 November each year. This date just happens to coincide with the ethnic cleansing by Zionist gangs of Palestine, which began on 30 November 1947, a day after the UN General Assembly adopted the Partition Plan. The choice of date seeks to implicate Arab Jews in the conquest of Palestine, when most had no role in it. 

Israel's UN ambassador, Gilad Erdan, alleges that, after the establishment of the Israeli settler-colony, Arab countries "launched a widespread attack against the State of Israel and the thriving Jewish communities that lived within [the Arab world]". Israeli fabrications, with which Israel always hoped to force Arab countries into paying Israel billions of dollars, have a second important goal: to exonerate Israel from its original sin of expelling Palestinians in 1948 and stealing their land and property.

The history of Arab Jewish emigration to Israel is not one of expulsion by Arab regimes, but rather one of Israeli criminal actions that forced Jews in Yemen, Iraq, Morocco, Egypt and other countries to leave for Israel.

In 1949, the Israeli government was working assiduously with British colonial authorities in Aden and with Yemeni officials to airlift Yemeni Jews to Israel. Yemen's imam allowed Jews to leave as early as February 1949, with the help of Zionist emissaries and Israeli bribes to provincial Yemeni rulers, according to prominent Israeli historian Tom Segev's book: 1949: The First Israelis.

Some provincial rulers asked that at least 2,000 Jews remain, as it was the religious duty of Muslims to protect them, but the Zionist emissary insisted that it was a Jewish religious "commandment" for them to go to the "Land of Israel". 

About 50,000 Yemeni Jews were essentially removed from Yemen by the Israelis in 1949 and 1950 to face institutionalised Ashkenazi discrimination in Israel. This included the abduction of hundreds of Yemeni children from their parents, who were told the children died; the children were then allegedly handed over for adoption to Ashkenazi couples.

Meanwhile, the Iraqi government of Nuri al-Said, Britain's strongman in the Arab east, was maligned by Israeli propaganda that it was persecuting Jews, when in fact these were Israeli fabrications. Zionist agents had been active in Iraq, smuggling Jews through Iran to Israel, which led to the prosecution of a handful of Zionists.

Then, attacks on Iraqi Jews began, including at the Masuda Shemtov synagogue in Baghdad, killing four Jews and wounding around a dozen more. Some Iraqi Jews believed that this was the work of Mossad agents, aiming to scare Jews into leaving the country. Iraqi authorities accused and executed two activists from the Zionist underground.

Despite Israeli culpability in bringing about the exodus of Arab Jews from their countries, the Israeli government continues  to blame it on Arab governments. As for the property of Arab Jews, indeed, they should be fully entitled to it and/or to compensation - not on account of some fabricated expulsion narrative that serves the interests of the Israeli state, but on account of their actual ownership.

In his letter, Erdan complains that "it is infuriating to see the UN mark a special day and devote a lot of resources for the issue of 'Palestinian refugees,' while abandoning and ignoring hundreds of thousands of Jewish families deported from Arab countries and Iran". The irony of Erdan's letter is that it demands that the Israeli regime be financially and morally rewarded for the crimes it has committed over the last seven decades.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 12^th, 2023 at 8:51pm:

Get a job and pay some taxes ya dopey bum

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:


By agreeing with him that Allah is God.

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The agreement from Jews NOT to resist Islam - which is the final Revelation from the God of the Jews (according to Muhammad). 

Why else would Muhammad have sought an agreement with those Jews?

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Didn't you know, all the 'sky fairies' we are talking about are based on Abraham's God.

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Look at the article; three other  tribes of Jews demanded the Banu Qurayza break the agreement, during the course of later battles againt infidels including polytheists.   

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I can even cite where Moses slaughtered "thousands" of Jews for worshipping a golden calf, quite apart from authorizing genocide on "the 7 nations mightier than thou" ( ie mightier than the Jewish tribe)

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Of course; referring to the nation which disappeared 7 centuries earlier (at the hands of the Roman general Titus, and later extinquished by Hadrian), and to the Jewish diaspora,  including in Arabia. 

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That verse was written after Muhammad knew the Jews would not accept his new 'final' Revelation of God.  

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No, I'm telling you the Koran has various accounts of ineractions with Jews; and those jews who rejected Islam were infidels, according to the Koran. 

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No.

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Of course,  just as the Bible is the "word of God" (..which was apparently banned in Utah recently: "too violent and vulgar...)

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Of dear, I don't think ANY scripture is the Word of God - and hence the source of a "true religion". 

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Most apostates tend to do this.

If I had to choose I would go with the New Testament, or at least the sayings of Christ, not the Revelations crap.

But ...FD won't answer: do you support implementation of UN resolutions 181 and 242?   

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2023 at 6:42am:


Back to your inimitible, fraudulent debating style.

(The question has already been been answered: no).

Why would Muhammad have made an agreement with some Jews in Arabia?   

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because Pappe himself is a Jew who hates the Israeli State's oppression of Palestinians.

by Philip Giraldi  Jun 14, 2023

There would appear to be no limit to Israeli bestiality towards the Palestinians and likewise no limit to how much that brutality has been enabled by the positions taken by successive US governments and the national media. Indeed, the self-defined Jewish state, which ironically claims to be a democracy, is perhaps the leading human rights violator in all the world due to its officially condoned genocide directed against the Palestinian people and its bombing and killing of neighboring Syrians and Lebanese without providing any convincing evidence that it is being threatened by them.

That apartheid Israel is essentially a criminal state that blithely goes about killing and stealing from the original inhabitants of the Middle East region might well be accepted as substantially true by most observers. But even given all of that, there is sometimes a story that emerges that is so shocking and disturbing that it becomes difficult to contemplate why the rest of the world has not risen-up and demanded an end to Israeli atrocities.

One such story is the recent murder by Israeli soldiers of a two-year-old boy Mohammad al-Tamimi. Unfortunately, heavily armed Israelis illegally occupying the West Bank and killing Palestinian children is not a rare occurrence. Fully 27 children have suffered that fate in the past six months, including some children being killed by Israeli bombing and rockets in Gaza. And the stories are often the same, with the Israeli government claiming that there were “terrorist threats,” often deliberately contrived provocations that rapidly develop into shooting ranges with the unarmed Palestinians as targets.

In this case, Mohammad al-Tamini was with his father, Haytam al-Tamimi, and had just been buckled into the back seat of the family car to go on a short trip to visit an uncle in a nearby village to celebrate an aunt’s birthday. The al-Tamimis live in the West Bank village of Nabi Saleh, located twelve miles northwest of Ramallah, which passes for the capital of what fragments of land the Palestinians have been able to preserve as a symbol of their national identity. The Israelis de facto are occupiers of nearly all of the West Bank and have military outposts scattered through the region to protect the armed and illegal Jewish settlers who are constantly harassing the remaining Palestinians and destroying their crops to force them to emigrate. The remaining Palestinians in their villages and towns are constantly under siege and are subject to checkpoints, arbitrary arrests, and even murder at the hands of the Israel Defense Forces. One observer notes how the remaining Arab “communities are actually Palestinian enclaves that are prisons” with heavily armed 18 year old Israeli conscript soldiers free to run amok as they see fit. And when a Palestinian is killed, the Israeli soldiers know well that they will not in any way punished. An Israeli peace group has calculated that between 2017 and 2021 a soldier who murdered a civilian faced only a 0.87% probability that he would be investigated and indicted. There were only 11 such indictments in those years and the punishments eventually meted out were slaps on the wrist.

On June 1st, Mohammad was the victim of a band of Israeli soldiers, who later claimed to be chasing a car from which shots had allegedly been fired at a nearby illegal Jewish settlement Neveh Tzuf. The problem with the tale is that no one heard any shots until the Israeli soldiers blocked the village entrance before arriving in the center of Nabi Saleh in their jeeps and starting shooting in all directions. They then settled in for a few hours to engage in a bit of tormenting of the local residents by beating them and even firing at them at close range. Haytam Tamimi and his son Muhammad were among five Palestinians injured during the raid.

Seated in their vehicle, Mohammad was shot through the head and his father was wounded in the shoulder, apparently by fire from a sniper. Taken to a hospital, Mohammad lingered for four days before dying on Monday June 5th. His body was returned to his village for burial. Before and during the funeral, the Israeli military had surrounded the village and later that afternoon, while mourners were gathered at the al-Tamimi grandparents’ home, they entered into it for the third time since Mohammad was shot, beating and shooting villagers, injuring six people. One man sustained a gunshot wound in the pelvis, with the bullet entering his intestines. A woman was struck in her face with a rifle butt while another mourner was hit in the face with a rubber-coated steel bullet.

Ironically, that same day American Secretary of State Antony Blinken addressed the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) at its annual policy summit in Washington. AIPAC, it might be observed, exists to promote Israeli interests, which should make it subject to registry under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) but no one in the White House seems interested in enforcing that particular law or any other existing legislation pertaining to secret nuclear arsenals when Israel is involved. The last president who tried to register AIPAC’s predecessor organization the American Zionist Council was John F. Kennedy, and consider what happened to him possibly as a result.

Greedy little bugger:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 19^th, 2023 at 9:30am:


I am addicted:

Good to hear a commentator on ABC news radio blaming the Israeli occupation and illegal settlements  for the current violence in the WB.

As he noted: Zionists originally accepted the 2 state solution (in 1947), now they reject it.

Whereas the Arabs rejected it in 1947, now they accept it. 

So UN resolutions 181 and 242 are still sitting there unfulfilled.