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Reply #825 - Jun 24th, 2023 at 4:00pm
 
This delusional Rabbi makes a complete fool of himself:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/video/news/i-feel-sorry-for-him%E2%80%99-rabbi-challen...

"Real News. Honest Views"..according to Sky News.... 

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Reply #826 - Jun 25th, 2023 at 4:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 19th, 2023 at 5:57am:
wombatwoody wrote on Jun 18th, 2023 at 2:45pm:
Israeli Soldiers Shoot Dead Palestinian Two-Year-Old


by Philip Giraldi  Jun 14, 2023

There would appear to be no limit to Israeli bestiality towards the Palestinians and likewise no limit to how much that brutality has been enabled by the positions taken by successive US governments and the national media. Indeed, the self-defined Jewish state, which ironically claims to be a democracy, is perhaps the leading human rights violator in all the world due to its officially condoned genocide directed against the Palestinian people and its bombing and killing of neighboring Syrians and Lebanese without providing any convincing evidence that it is being threatened by them.

That apartheid Israel is essentially a criminal state that blithely goes about killing and stealing from the original inhabitants of the Middle East region might well be accepted as substantially true by most observers. But even given all of that, there is sometimes a story that emerges that is so shocking and disturbing that it becomes difficult to contemplate why the rest of the world has not risen-up and demanded an end to Israeli atrocities.

One such story is the recent murder by Israeli soldiers of a two-year-old boy Mohammad al-Tamimi. Unfortunately, heavily armed Israelis illegally occupying the West Bank and killing Palestinian children is not a rare occurrence. Fully 27 children have suffered that fate in the past six months, including some children being killed by Israeli bombing and rockets in Gaza. And the stories are often the same, with the Israeli government claiming that there were “terrorist threats,” often deliberately contrived provocations that rapidly develop into shooting ranges with the unarmed Palestinians as targets.

In this case, Mohammad al-Tamini was with his father, Haytam al-Tamimi, and had just been buckled into the back seat of the family car to go on a short trip to visit an uncle in a nearby village to celebrate an aunt’s birthday. The al-Tamimis live in the West Bank village of Nabi Saleh, located twelve miles northwest of Ramallah, which passes for the capital of what fragments of land the Palestinians have been able to preserve as a symbol of their national identity. The Israelis de facto are occupiers of nearly all of the West Bank and have military outposts scattered through the region to protect the armed and illegal Jewish settlers who are constantly harassing the remaining Palestinians and destroying their crops to force them to emigrate. The remaining Palestinians in their villages and towns are constantly under siege and are subject to checkpoints, arbitrary arrests, and even murder at the hands of the Israel Defense Forces. One observer notes how the remaining Arab “communities are actually Palestinian enclaves that are prisons” with heavily armed 18 year old Israeli conscript soldiers free to run amok as they see fit. And when a Palestinian is killed, the Israeli soldiers know well that they will not in any way punished. An Israeli peace group has calculated that between 2017 and 2021 a soldier who murdered a civilian faced only a 0.87% probability that he would be investigated and indicted. There were only 11 such indictments in those years and the punishments eventually meted out were slaps on the wrist.

On June 1st, Mohammad was the victim of a band of Israeli soldiers, who later claimed to be chasing a car from which shots had allegedly been fired at a nearby illegal Jewish settlement Neveh Tzuf. The problem with the tale is that no one heard any shots until the Israeli soldiers blocked the village entrance before arriving in the center of Nabi Saleh in their jeeps and starting shooting in all directions. They then settled in for a few hours to engage in a bit of tormenting of the local residents by beating them and even firing at them at close range. Haytam Tamimi and his son Muhammad were among five Palestinians injured during the raid.

Seated in their vehicle, Mohammad was shot through the head and his father was wounded in the shoulder, apparently by fire from a sniper. Taken to a hospital, Mohammad lingered for four days before dying on Monday June 5th. His body was returned to his village for burial. Before and during the funeral, the Israeli military had surrounded the village and later that afternoon, while mourners were gathered at the al-Tamimi grandparents’ home, they entered into it for the third time since Mohammad was shot, beating and shooting villagers, injuring six people. One man sustained a gunshot wound in the pelvis, with the bullet entering his intestines. A woman was struck in her face with a rifle butt while another mourner was hit in the face with a rubber-coated steel bullet.



Oh look, Muslims starting gunfights with Israeli soldiers, while trying to hide among civilians, then blaming the Israelis when civilians get caught in the crossfire.

It's all the Joos' fault, of course. Muhammad said so.


Blessed is he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks!

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Reply #827 - Jun 25th, 2023 at 5:16pm
 
Do you lot push the Jewish conspiracies because you are Muslims, Nazis, or something else?
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Reply #828 - Jun 27th, 2023 at 9:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 25th, 2023 at 5:16pm:
Do you lot push the Jewish conspiracies because you are Muslims, Nazis, or something else?


None of the above.

And you?

Why do you push racist Zionism? Are you a Jew?
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Reply #829 - Jun 28th, 2023 at 6:02am
 
Like I keep telling you, Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive regions on earth. Not sure why you think it takes some ulterior motive to support that. Arab Muslims in Israel have more rights and more say in their own government than in any of the neighbouring countries.

So, what's with all the conspiracy theories about Jews? I understand why it might come from a Nazi or a Muslim. Maybe even a communist, if they think Jews represent the wealthy elite, and want to follow Mao's lead and kill them just for being rich.
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Reply #830 - Jun 28th, 2023 at 9:11am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2023 at 6:02am:
Like I keep telling you, Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive regions on earth. Not sure why you think it takes some ulterior motive to support that. Arab Muslims in Israel have more rights and more say in their own government than in any of the neighbouring countries.

So, what's with all the conspiracy theories about Jews? I understand why it might come from a Nazi or a Muslim. Maybe even a communist, if they think Jews represent the wealthy elite, and want to follow Mao's lead and kill them just for being rich.


Its the "bleeding-heart liberalism," which developed out the 1960s protest movement where the underdog is always the victim and must be defended no matter how misguided their beliefs can be. This was exacerbated by the Vietnam war. But never mind frothy mouth ravings of the multitudes who surround Israel, and never mind that Jews were always prominent Palestinians before the establishment of Israel. But if we are going to whinge about post-war Jewish immigration to Israel, we had better stop immigration into Australia it preserve our moral highground.
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Reply #831 - Jun 28th, 2023 at 6:48pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2023 at 6:02am:
Like I keep telling you, Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive regions on earth.


And increasingly despised around the world for its oppression of Palestinians, and illegal settlement activity in the occupied territories.

Even the White House is alarmed.
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Reply #832 - Jun 29th, 2023 at 8:06am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28th, 2023 at 6:48pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2023 at 6:02am:
Like I keep telling you, Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive regions on earth.


And increasingly despised around the world for its oppression of Palestinians, and illegal settlement activity in the occupied territories.

Even the White House is alarmed.


Muslims themselves have over the last two decades done more to win sympathy for Israel than the Israelis themselves ever could have. You only have to look at ISIS to see what Israel's "victims" would put in its place.
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Reply #833 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 1:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2023 at 8:06am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28th, 2023 at 6:48pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2023 at 6:02am:
Like I keep telling you, Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive regions on earth.


And increasingly despised around the world for its oppression of Palestinians, and illegal settlement activity in the occupied territories.

Even the White House is alarmed.


Muslims themselves have over the last two decades done more to win sympathy for Israel than the Israelis themselves ever could have. You only have to look at ISIS to see what Israel's "victims" would put in its place.


You are living in the past again ("Mao murdered 50 million" - in the past...whereas Xi is managing - in the present - the fastest rate of poverty reduction of any nation in history); ISIS has been defeated and never had anything to do with Israel, whereas the present Israeli cabinet is despised even by the nation's own citizens, as well as being universally despised for its oppression and illegal occupation of Palestinian land.    
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Reply #834 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:31pm
 
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Reply #835 - Jul 2nd, 2023 at 10:56am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 1:57pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2023 at 8:06am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28th, 2023 at 6:48pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2023 at 6:02am:
Like I keep telling you, Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive regions on earth.


And increasingly despised around the world for its oppression of Palestinians, and illegal settlement activity in the occupied territories.

Even the White House is alarmed.


Muslims themselves have over the last two decades done more to win sympathy for Israel than the Israelis themselves ever could have. You only have to look at ISIS to see what Israel's "victims" would put in its place.


You are living in the past again ("Mao murdered 50 million" - in the past...whereas Xi is managing - in the present - the fastest rate of poverty reduction of any nation in history); ISIS has been defeated and never had anything to do with Israel, whereas the present Israeli cabinet is despised even by the nation's own citizens, as well as being universally despised for its oppression and illegal occupation of Palestinian land.    


I did not say ISIS reached Israel. I said that you only have to look at ISIS to see what Israel's "victims" would put in its place.

Or do you think the Muslims would defeat Israel and set up a liberal democracy in which Jews had more rights than in any of the surrounding Muslim countries and also had an equal say in government?
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Reply #836 - Jul 2nd, 2023 at 1:50pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 10:56am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 1:57pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2023 at 8:06am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 28th, 2023 at 6:48pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2023 at 6:02am:
Like I keep telling you, Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive regions on earth.


And increasingly despised around the world for its oppression of Palestinians, and illegal settlement activity in the occupied territories.

Even the White House is alarmed.


Muslims themselves have over the last two decades done more to win sympathy for Israel than the Israelis themselves ever could have. You only have to look at ISIS to see what Israel's "victims" would put in its place.


You are living in the past again ("Mao murdered 50 million" - in the past...whereas Xi is managing - in the present - the fastest rate of poverty reduction of any nation in history); ISIS has been defeated and never had anything to do with Israel, whereas the present Israeli cabinet is despised even by the nation's own citizens, as well as being universally despised for its oppression and illegal occupation of Palestinian land.    


I did not say ISIS reached Israel.


I know that ...and I noted ISIS was defeated. 

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I said that you only have to look at ISIS to see what Israel's "victims" would put in its place.


Fatah is not ISIS.

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Or do you think the Muslims would defeat Israel and set up a liberal democracy in which Jews had more rights than in any of the surrounding Muslim countries and also had an equal say in government?


I think PA Fatah Muslims are moderates, like Left Wing Israelis who who want a 2-state solution as per UN res. 181 and 242. 
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Reply #837 - Jul 2nd, 2023 at 3:42pm
 
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I think PA Fatah Muslims are moderates


I don't think you answered the question.

Do you think the Muslims would defeat Israel and set up a liberal democracy in which both Jews and Muslims had more rights than in any of the surrounding Muslim countries and also had an equal say in government?
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Reply #838 - Jul 2nd, 2023 at 6:20pm
 
Fatah's flag. Two submachine guns and a hand grenade over the map of Israel.
Good one, parrot.


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Reply #839 - Jul 3rd, 2023 at 5:46pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 3:42pm:
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I think PA Fatah Muslims are moderates


I don't think you answered the question.
 

Funny...coming from you.

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Do you think the Muslims would defeat Israel and set up a liberal democracy in which both Jews and Muslims had more rights than in any of the surrounding Muslim countries and also had an equal say in government?


Note: Israel needs to exit the occupied territories, as required by international law. 

As to your ideologically constructed question: moderate  Muslims do not plan to "defeat Israel", so why should I tell you what you want me to say about fundamentalist Muslims?
The world's largest Muslim nation, Indonesia, is a functioning democracry (unlike theocracies like Arabia and Iran)  - with all the problems of democracies.

Of course the fundamentalist Jewish illegal WB settlers will engender an opposing fundamentalism among Muslims.
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