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Re: Zionism
Reply #855 - Jul 6^th, 2023 at 11:04pm

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2023 at 5:19pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 6^th, 2023 at 1:07pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 6:49pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 6:35pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 6:24pm:

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I already cited Indonesia

Indonesia is a country.

With some moderate Muslims - like Israel has some moderate Jews....

Have you ever met any?

Will you ever be capable of non-fraudulent debating?

Carry on: the world is getting more amd more pissed off with Israeli atrocities in the illegally occupied WB, while Netanyahu is hoping for Trump's return to the WH....

72% of Indonesian Muslims want Shariah law, 48% want people stoned to death for adultery.

Which means 28% of Indonesian Muslims are moderate Mulsims, cf. 100% of fundy FITH illegal Jewish settlers in the WB.

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Re: Zionism
Reply #858 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 12:37pm

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 7:02am:

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Which means 28% of Indonesian Muslims are moderate Mulsims

Would you say that every Australian who does not want theocracy is a moderate? Or does this rule only apply to Muslims?

1. I would confidently say 100% of illegal WB Jewish settlers are fundy OT f**wits. What part of that don't you understand?

2. Moderate Indonesian Muslims do not want their country to become a theocracy.

See how your blind 'individual sovereignty' ideology causes you to ask illogical non-sequiturs, while being blind to the other side's wishes?

So we have the world against the most RW government in Israel's history.

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Re: Zionism
Reply #859 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 4:50pm

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2023 at 6:02am:

Like I keep telling you, Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy

Repetition of a lie won't make it true. You should stop calling it that.

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Arab Muslims in Israel have more rights and more say in their own government than in any of the neighbouring countries.

Even if that were true, and I've shown it isn't, that still wouldn't be good enough reason to overlook the egregious criminal actions and behaviour of Israel, not only in the region but all around the world.

If you were a Jew that would explain part of it but you didn't answer.

If not then you don't realise what you are defending. See the OP: Zionism is a 'thinly veiled theocracy'. And whatever vestige of 'democracy', which was always only for Jews and nobody else and even then was more theocratic than democratic - see Gideon Levy's article previously posted - still remains, that is fast becoming extinct due a simple matter of demographics, which will put the orthodox and ultra-orthodox as the overwhelming majority in the near future. This is down to the high birth rate of these groups - 10 to 15 children per woman.(Genesis 1:28).

A 2008 study from the Uni. of Manchester predicted that the majority of all the world's Jews will be orthodox and ultra-orthodox by 2050. Heaven help us.

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So, what's with all the conspiracy theories about Jews?

You mean like the one where Jews control and dictate to world leaders?

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Re: Zionism
Reply #860 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 5:54pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 7:02am:

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Which means 28% of Indonesian Muslims are moderate Mulsims

Would you say that every Australian who does not want theocracy is a moderate? Or does this rule only apply to Muslims?

1. I would confidently say 100% of illegal WB Jewish settlers are fundy OT f**wits. What part of that don't you understand?

2. Moderate Indonesian Muslims do not want their country to become a theocracy.

See how your blind 'individual sovereignty' ideology causes you to ask illogical non-sequiturs, while being blind to the other side's wishes?

So we have the world against the most RW government in Israel's history.

Would you say that every Australian who does not want theocracy is a moderate? Or does this rule only apply to Muslims?

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Re: Zionism
Reply #861 - Jul 7^th, 2023 at 5:55pm

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 4:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2023 at 6:02am:

Like I keep telling you, Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy

Repetition of a lie won't make it true. You should stop calling it that.

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Arab Muslims in Israel have more rights and more say in their own government than in any of the neighbouring countries.

Even if that were true, and I've shown it isn't,

No you haven't.

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Re: Zionism
Reply #862 - Jul 8^th, 2023 at 2:13pm

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 7:02am:

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Which means 28% of Indonesian Muslims are moderate Mulsims

Would you say that every Australian who does not want theocracy is a moderate? Or does this rule only apply to Muslims?

1. I would confidently say 100% of illegal WB Jewish settlers are fundy OT f**wits. What part of that don't you understand?

2. Moderate Indonesian Muslims do not want their country to become a theocracy.

See how your blind 'individual sovereignty' ideology causes you to ask illogical non-sequiturs, while being blind to the other side's wishes?

So we have the world against the most RW government in Israel's history.

Would you say that every Australian who does not want theocracy is a moderate?

No.

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Or does this rule only apply to Muslims?

What rule?

Meanwhile, would you say ANY illegal WB jewish settler is a moderate?

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Re: Zionism
Reply #863 - Jul 9^th, 2023 at 7:34am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 8^th, 2023 at 2:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 7:02am:

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Which means 28% of Indonesian Muslims are moderate Mulsims

Would you say that every Australian who does not want theocracy is a moderate? Or does this rule only apply to Muslims?

1. I would confidently say 100% of illegal WB Jewish settlers are fundy OT f**wits. What part of that don't you understand?

2. Moderate Indonesian Muslims do not want their country to become a theocracy.

See how your blind 'individual sovereignty' ideology causes you to ask illogical non-sequiturs, while being blind to the other side's wishes?

So we have the world against the most RW government in Israel's history.

Would you say that every Australian who does not want theocracy is a moderate?

No.

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Or does this rule only apply to Muslims?

What rule?

Meanwhile, would you say ANY illegal WB jewish settler is a moderate?

You said that if 72% of Indonesian Muslims want Shariah law, that means 28% of them are moderates. Does this rule only apply to Muslims?

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Re: Zionism
Reply #864 - Jul 10^th, 2023 at 10:49pm

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2023 at 7:34am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 8^th, 2023 at 2:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 7:02am:

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Which means 28% of Indonesian Muslims are moderate Mulsims

Would you say that every Australian who does not want theocracy is a moderate? Or does this rule only apply to Muslims?

1. I would confidently say 100% of illegal WB Jewish settlers are fundy OT f**wits. What part of that don't you understand?

2. Moderate Indonesian Muslims do not want their country to become a theocracy.

See how your blind 'individual sovereignty' ideology causes you to ask illogical non-sequiturs, while being blind to the other side's wishes?

So we have the world against the most RW government in Israel's history.

Would you say that every Australian who does not want theocracy is a moderate?

No.

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Or does this rule only apply to Muslims?

What rule?

Meanwhile, would you say ANY illegal WB jewish settler is a moderate?

You said that if 72% of Indonesian Muslims want Shariah law, that means 28% of them are moderates. Does this rule only apply to Muslims?

Considering religion specifically, those who are not fundamentalists are moderates.

Which applies to all faiths.

Your turn: would you say ANY illegal WB jewish settlers are moderates?

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Re: Zionism
Reply #865 - Jul 11^th, 2023 at 7:21am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 10^th, 2023 at 10:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2023 at 7:34am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 8^th, 2023 at 2:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 7:02am:

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Which means 28% of Indonesian Muslims are moderate Mulsims

Would you say that every Australian who does not want theocracy is a moderate? Or does this rule only apply to Muslims?

1. I would confidently say 100% of illegal WB Jewish settlers are fundy OT f**wits. What part of that don't you understand?

2. Moderate Indonesian Muslims do not want their country to become a theocracy.

See how your blind 'individual sovereignty' ideology causes you to ask illogical non-sequiturs, while being blind to the other side's wishes?

So we have the world against the most RW government in Israel's history.

Would you say that every Australian who does not want theocracy is a moderate?

No.

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Or does this rule only apply to Muslims?

What rule?

Meanwhile, would you say ANY illegal WB jewish settler is a moderate?

You said that if 72% of Indonesian Muslims want Shariah law, that means 28% of them are moderates. Does this rule only apply to Muslims?

Considering religion specifically, those who are not fundamentalists are moderates.

Which applies to all faiths.

Your turn: would you say ANY illegal WB jewish settlers are moderates?

Thanks for the definition. Is the rejection of religious law all it takes to be considered a moderate?

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Re: Zionism
Reply #867 - Jul 11^th, 2023 at 1:44pm

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 7:21am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 10^th, 2023 at 10:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2023 at 7:34am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 8^th, 2023 at 2:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 7:02am:

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Which means 28% of Indonesian Muslims are moderate Mulsims

Would you say that every Australian who does not want theocracy is a moderate? Or does this rule only apply to Muslims?

1. I would confidently say 100% of illegal WB Jewish settlers are fundy OT f**wits. What part of that don't you understand?

2. Moderate Indonesian Muslims do not want their country to become a theocracy.

See how your blind 'individual sovereignty' ideology causes you to ask illogical non-sequiturs, while being blind to the other side's wishes?

So we have the world against the most RW government in Israel's history.

Would you say that every Australian who does not want theocracy is a moderate?

No.

Quote:

Or does this rule only apply to Muslims?

What rule?

Meanwhile, would you say ANY illegal WB jewish settler is a moderate?

You said that if 72% of Indonesian Muslims want Shariah law, that means 28% of them are moderates. Does this rule only apply to Muslims?

Considering religion specifically, those who are not fundamentalists are moderates.

Which applies to all faiths.

Your turn: would you say ANY illegal WB jewish settlers are moderates?

Thanks for the definition. Is the rejection of religious law all it takes to be considered a moderate?

No. Rejection of religious fundamentalism is all it takes.

Your turn: would you say ANY illegal WB jewish settlers are (religious) moderates? Why are they illegally occupying Palestinian land?

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Re: Zionism
Reply #868 - Jul 11^th, 2023 at 6:23pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 1:44pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 7:21am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 10^th, 2023 at 10:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2023 at 7:34am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 8^th, 2023 at 2:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 7:02am:

Quote:

Which means 28% of Indonesian Muslims are moderate Mulsims

Would you say that every Australian who does not want theocracy is a moderate? Or does this rule only apply to Muslims?

1. I would confidently say 100% of illegal WB Jewish settlers are fundy OT f**wits. What part of that don't you understand?

2. Moderate Indonesian Muslims do not want their country to become a theocracy.

See how your blind 'individual sovereignty' ideology causes you to ask illogical non-sequiturs, while being blind to the other side's wishes?

So we have the world against the most RW government in Israel's history.

Would you say that every Australian who does not want theocracy is a moderate?

No.

Quote:

Or does this rule only apply to Muslims?

What rule?

Meanwhile, would you say ANY illegal WB jewish settler is a moderate?

You said that if 72% of Indonesian Muslims want Shariah law, that means 28% of them are moderates. Does this rule only apply to Muslims?

Considering religion specifically, those who are not fundamentalists are moderates.

Which applies to all faiths.

Your turn: would you say ANY illegal WB jewish settlers are moderates?

Thanks for the definition. Is the rejection of religious law all it takes to be considered a moderate?

No. Rejection of religious fundamentalism is all it takes.

So your rule only applies to Muslims? You said that any Muslim who rejects Shariah law is a moderate.

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Re: Zionism
Reply #869 - Jul 12^th, 2023 at 11:50am

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 6:23pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 1:44pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 7:21am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 10^th, 2023 at 10:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2023 at 7:34am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 8^th, 2023 at 2:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 7:02am:

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Which means 28% of Indonesian Muslims are moderate Mulsims

Would you say that every Australian who does not want theocracy is a moderate? Or does this rule only apply to Muslims?

1. I would confidently say 100% of illegal WB Jewish settlers are fundy OT f**wits. What part of that don't you understand?

2. Moderate Indonesian Muslims do not want their country to become a theocracy.

See how your blind 'individual sovereignty' ideology causes you to ask illogical non-sequiturs, while being blind to the other side's wishes?

So we have the world against the most RW government in Israel's history.

Would you say that every Australian who does not want theocracy is a moderate?

No.

Quote:

Or does this rule only apply to Muslims?

What rule?

Meanwhile, would you say ANY illegal WB jewish settler is a moderate?

You said that if 72% of Indonesian Muslims want Shariah law, that means 28% of them are moderates. Does this rule only apply to Muslims?

Considering religion specifically, those who are not fundamentalists are moderates.

Which applies to all faiths.

Your turn: would you say ANY illegal WB jewish settlers are moderates?

Thanks for the definition. Is the rejection of religious law all it takes to be considered a moderate?

No. Rejection of religious fundamentalism is all it takes.

So your rule only applies to Muslims? You said that any Muslim who rejects Shariah law is a moderate.

No, you said that.

Not surprisingly, you won't answer the question: would you say ANY illegal WB jewish settlers are moderates?

My stance is clear: rejection of religious fundamentalism defines religious moderation.

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