freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 5:55pm:


I have indeed. Your problem is you don't read past the first line or two.

It's all earlier in the thread, like how the Bedouins, who are Israeli citizens, are mistreated.

And this:

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thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 12^th, 2023 at 11:50am:


Are you trying to change the subject because you do not understand what I am saying, or because you realise now that you set the bar for what counts as moderate far lower for Muslims than you would for anyone else?

You said that if 72% of Indonesians do not support shariah law, then 28% must be moderates, but then went on to say rejection of religious law does not make someone a moderate. Are you not aware that shariah law is religious law?

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 13^th, 2023 at 3:05pm:


How do you know this?

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2023 at 2:53pm:


Is that supposed to be a response to my question?

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2023 at 2:53pm:


Aceh is a part of Indonesia they have sharia law.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=aceh+stoning+law&source=hp&ei=ApizZJCzJJ6A2ro...

freediver wrote on Jul 13^th, 2023 at 7:17am:


More silliness. I've explained it all earlier in the thread.

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For argument's sake I'll say that still wouldn't be good enough reason to overlook the egregious criminal actions and behaviour of Israel, not only in the region but all around the world. As well as how lobby groups like AIPAC have corrupted the democratic system. To repeat:

"These Israel lobby people like pledges: they tried to force me to sign a pledge of loyalty to Israel. When I refused, it was trench warfare, hand to hand combat every day I was in the Congress, and the American people never knew that I was fighting to remain independent for them, to make real peace and to find real justice. Ever since my refusal to sign that pledge for Israel the Israel lobby has let me know that my political career was in the hangman's noose. They have the whole of the U.S. government making pledges to them!!! Unbelievable."

- Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney

Not just in the USA but all around the world, including Australia. Just watch how any pollie who speaks out on this gets viciously attacked by the Israeli stooges in the media.

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Whining about Rabbis?  As I've shown these religious fanatics wield immense influence over Israel, in particular the religious parties.

And you continue to ignore all the evidence I've shown proving Israel is a theocracy. And their aim, one them at least, is to seize all the land 'from the Nile to the Euphrates', because they believe their god promised it to them - the 'Promised Land'.

These are the religious fanatics you are defending.

freediver wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 7:25am:


You know very well what I'm saying. You're just trying to play your silly game again.

And your selective quoting clearly shows you cannot deal with the facts and instead choose to focus on this minor issue.

Here's more, further illustrating how Arabs are regarded in Israel:


As ethnic violence rocks Israel, Arabs cite deep grievances

BY JOSEPH KRAUSS
May 13, 2021
apnews.com

Arabs and Jews fought each other on the streets below and rioters torched vehicles in one of the worst spasms of communal violence Israel has seen in years. The mayor of the mixed town of Lod, which saw the worst of the violence Tuesday, compared it to a civil war.

Arab experts and activists say the violence was fueled by unrest in Jerusalem that has brought Israel to the brink of another Gaza war, but is rooted in deeper grievances that go back to the founding of the state.

Violence flared again Wednesday night in Bat Yam, a Tel Aviv suburb, when a large crowd of ultranationalist Israelis pulled a man from a car who they thought was Arab and beat him until he lay on the ground motionless and bloodied. A hospital said he’s in serious condition without identifying him.

Earlier, a group of black-clad Israelis smashed the windows of an Arab-owned ice cream shop in Bat Yam and ultranationalists could be seen chanting, “Death to Arabs!” on live television during a standoff with Border Police. In the northern city of Tiberias, video uploaded to social media appeared to show flag-waving Israelis attacking a car.

In recent days, Arab citizens of Israel have held mass protests across the country over Israel’s policing of a flashpoint holy site in Jerusalem and plans to evict dozens of Palestinian families in the city following a legal campaign by Jewish settlers.

Adding to the tensions are increasingly powerful far-right groups in Israel that won seats in March elections and are allied with Netanyahu. In recent days, far-right politicians have visited the tense east Jerusalem neighborhood where the families are threatened with eviction. The violence soon spread to other mixed communities across Israel. In neighboring Ramle, ultra-nationalist Jewish demonstrators vandalized Arab cars.

Israel’s Arab minority makes up about 20% of the population and are the descendants of Palestinians who stayed in the country after the 1948 war surrounding Israel’s creation, when an estimated 700,000 fled or were driven from their homes in towns like Lod. They have citizenship, including the right to vote, but face widespread discrimination.

Lod’s Arabs, who make up about a third of the city’s population, are among the poorest communities in Israel.

Thabet Abu Rass, the co-director of the Abraham Initiatives, which promotes Jewish-Arab co-existence, said the six Arab members of Lod’s municipal council have been sidelined and the city’s budget heavily favors Jews. He accused Mayor Yair Revivo of inciting against Arabs.

Ghassan Munayyer, a Lod-based activist, says the veneer of co-existence conceals deeper disparities, including in housing and infrastructure, comparing its Arab neighborhoods to “refugee camps.”



Compare that to how Jews are treated in the neibouring country of Iran, which so often gets demonized by the Western press (although I disagree with him about Zionism not being religious):


Jewish life in Iran 'better than in Europe'

Theresa Tropper in Tehran
May 15, 2017
dw.com


DW: How is life as a Jew in the Islamic Republic?

Siamak Morsadegh: It's a lot better than many people think. Jews are a recognized minority here, so we can practice our religion freely. Generally speaking, the Jews' condition in Iran has always been better than in Europe.

DW: In Iran it is prohibited by law to have any contact with Israel. Is that difficult for you as a Jew?

Siamak Morsadegh: According to our religious teachings, we must obey the laws of the country we live in. And being a Jew is very different from being a Zionist. There are - and have always been - Jews all around the world who are very critical of the behavior of Israel's government and army. Being a Jew means we must obey Torah and Talmud. Invading other countries and killing innocent people are not Moses' teachings. We cannot accept Israel's behavior as Jewish; it is a political and not a religious movement. I personally think that, as the victims of the greatest genocide in the world, Jews should have more empathy with the Palestinian people.

Siamak Morasadegh is a doctor, member of parliament and director of Tehran's Jewish Committee

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I know you are contradicting yourself.

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 4:50pm:


How have you shown that it is not true? If you think I have misunderstood you, feel free to explain.