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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49081 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #915 - Aug 1^st, 2023 at 5:55pm thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 5:51pm: freediver wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 5:47pm: So the constitution thing was just you dribbling mindless CCP propaganda? No; a Jewish protester was speaking about a constitutional crisis, do try to keep up. And you this was remotely relevant because...
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Reply #916 - Aug 1^st, 2023 at 7:10pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 2:43pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 1:15pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 3:54pm:

Neither of those countries were based on fundamentalist OT mythology re "chosen people" and "Promised Land".

Not surprsingly, the current Israeli protests reveal a fundamentalist /secularist divide.

Silly, ignorant nonsense.

There is another nation—and I know there are people who will devour me if I mention them—and that is the English nation. The English were indeed anti-Semitic.

Were ...but no longer, and they now support the EU stance supporting UN 181 and 242.

Whereas f**kwit fundamentalist illegal WB settlers are prolonging conflict in the ME by engendering extremism among fundamentalist Muslims.

No doubt the rest of your post is also GIGO.

It takes a moronic parrot like you never to read past the first sentence.
An unlettered, resistant to learning monomaniac blinkered ****wit of a parrot.

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Reply #917 - Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 12:31pm

WASHINGTON, D.C. - In a hearing Thursday, Representative Ilhan Omar slammed the country of Israel for refusing to accept the generous gift of rockets from Palestine.

She pointed out that Hamas terrorists picked out the gifts with care. They spent lots of time and money and put a lot of thought into them. All of that work, and Israel refused to accept the freely offered gift, according to Omar.

"The Palestinian people made a generous peace offering of hundreds of rockets, and Israel slapped them in the face," she said. "They wouldn't even open their presents, callously rejecting them while they were still en route."

"It is obvious Israel does not want peace in the region if they can't humble themselves and accept such a dynamite gift," she added.

When it was pointed out that Israel returned the favor, Omar slammed them for that, too.

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Reply #918 - Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 1:05pm

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 7:10pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 2:43pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 1:15pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 3:54pm:

Neither of those countries were based on fundamentalist OT mythology re "chosen people" and "Promised Land".

Not surprsingly, the current Israeli protests reveal a fundamentalist /secularist divide.

Silly, ignorant nonsense.

There is another nation—and I know there are people who will devour me if I mention them—and that is the English nation. The English were indeed anti-Semitic.

Were ...but no longer, and they now support the EU stance supporting UN 181 and 242.

Whereas f**kwit fundamentalist illegal WB settlers are prolonging conflict in the ME by engendering extremism among fundamentalist Muslims.

No doubt the rest of your post is also GIGO.

It takes a moronic parrot like you never to read past the first sentence.
An unlettered, resistant to learning monomaniac blinkered ****wit of a parrot.

A grossly inaccurate claim; unlike you, I usually reply in full to your RW 'The Oz' derived articles. Sometimes I even thank you for some of them (as you well know).

Admit the growing f**kwit settler occupation of the WB is illegal, and I might read the rest of particular article in question, to point out its errors, as always.

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Reply #919 - Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 1:08pm

Frank wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 12:31pm:

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WASHINGTON, D.C. - In a hearing Thursday, Representative Ilhan Omar slammed the country of Israel for refusing to accept the generous gift of rockets from Palestine.

She pointed out that Hamas terrorists picked out the gifts with care. They spent lots of time and money and put a lot of thought into them. All of that work, and Israel refused to accept the freely offered gift, according to Omar.

"The Palestinian people made a generous peace offering of hundreds of rockets, and Israel slapped them in the face," she said. "They wouldn't even open their presents, callously rejecting them while they were still en route."

"It is obvious Israel does not want peace in the region if they can't humble themselves and accept such a dynamite gift," she added.

When it was pointed out that Israel returned the favor, Omar slammed them for that, too.

Thinking of a career in stand up?

Don't give up your day job.....

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Reply #920 - Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 7:28pm

freediver wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 8:06pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 4:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 26^th, 2023 at 5:13pm:

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You know very well what I'm saying

I know you are contradicting yourself.

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 4:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2023 at 6:02am:

Like I keep telling you, Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy

Repetition of a lie won't make it true. You should stop calling it that.

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Arab Muslims in Israel have more rights and more say in their own government than in any of the neighbouring countries.

Even if that were true, and I've shown it isn't,

How have you shown that it is not true? If you think I have misunderstood you, feel free to explain.

There you go again, ignoring the evidence I've presented, like in Reply #882.

I'm not ignoring it. I'm asking you to reveal it. But all you do is run away or change the subject. Or sort of admit you were lying but cough up some pissweak excuse for your lies.

Bullcrap.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49081 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #921 - Aug 2^nd, 2023 at 9:17pm wombatwoody wrote on Jul 7^th, 2023 at 4:50pm: Quote: Arab Muslims in Israel have more rights and more say in their own government than in any of the neighbouring countries. Even if that were true, and I've shown it isn't, How have you shown that it is not true?
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Reply #922 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:39am

freediver wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 5:55pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 5:51pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 5:47pm:

So the constitution thing was just you dribbling mindless CCP propaganda?

No; a Jewish protester was speaking about a constitutional crisis, do try to keep up.

And you this was remotely relevant because...

1. Israel's present protests are related to democratic dysfunction involving disputes over the supreme court - constitution or no constitiution.

2. The protests are also related the the fundamentalist's hard-right usurpation of power.

3. The protestors themselves are pointing to the absence of a constituion as a cause of the present impasse.

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Reply #923 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:48pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:39am:

freediver wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 5:55pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 5:51pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 5:47pm:

So the constitution thing was just you dribbling mindless CCP propaganda?

No; a Jewish protester was speaking about a constitutional crisis, do try to keep up.

And you this was remotely relevant because...

1. Israel's present protests are related to democratic dysfunction involving disputes over the supreme court - constitution or no constitiution.

2. The protests are also related the the fundamentalist's hard-right usurpation of power.

3. The protestors themselves are pointing to the absence of a constituion as a cause of the present impasse.

Do you think that answers the question? Or are you just throwing out more red herrings?

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Reply #924 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 2:47pm

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 12:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 11:39am:

freediver wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 5:55pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 5:51pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 5:47pm:

So the constitution thing was just you dribbling mindless CCP propaganda?

No; a Jewish protester was speaking about a constitutional crisis, do try to keep up.

And you this was remotely relevant because...

1. Israel's present protests are related to democratic dysfunction involving disputes over the supreme court - constitution or no constitiution.

2. The protests are also related the the fundamentalist's hard-right usurpation of power.

3. The protestors themselves are pointing to the absence of a constituion as a cause of the present impasse.

Do you think that answers the question? Or are you just throwing out more red herrings?

It answers the question. Israel is in chaos because it's riven by fundamentalists like you, AND is making illegal land grabs by increasing housing in the WB under the extreme RW government, not restrained by a constitution.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49081 At my desk.	Re: Zionism Reply #925 - Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 3:17pm So why is the constitutional issues relevant to whether they should get out of the WB?
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12973 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #926 - Aug 5^th, 2023 at 11:50am freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 3:17pm: So why is the constitutional issues relevant to whether they should get out of the WB? Because Israel hasn't even defined what land it occupies, in a constitution.......in an era (ie since 1946) when "the occupation of territory by force is inadmissible...."
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Reply #927 - Aug 5^th, 2023 at 11:58am

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5^th, 2023 at 11:50am:

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 3:17pm:

So why is the constitutional issues relevant to whether they should get out of the WB?

Because Israel hasn't even defined what land it occupies, in a constitution.......in an era (ie since 1946) when "the occupation of territory by force is inadmissible...."

So what?

Do you think that if they had the paperwork in order it would fix the problem?

Did you pick up your critical thinking skills in a CCP-run school?

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Reply #928 - Aug 6^th, 2023 at 2:53pm

freediver wrote on Aug 5^th, 2023 at 11:58am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5^th, 2023 at 11:50am:

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 3:17pm:

So why is the constitutional issues relevant to whether they should get out of the WB?

Because Israel hasn't even defined what land it occupies, in a constitution.......in an era (ie since 1946) when "the occupation of territory by force is inadmissible...."

So what?

Do you think that if they had the paperwork in order it would fix the problem?

Did you pick up your critical thinking skills in a CCP-run school?

So what? So today a protester (one of thousands on the streets) is saying "we will continue until we have secured our liberal democracy"; obviously he thinks the current RW government is planning to destroy "liberal democracy" in Israel. Enjoy your "beacon on the hill in the ME".

You mentioned the CCP; interestingly, we can compare the US with a 200 year old constition, and China with a 74 year-old one.

The former is based on the "(individual's) 'right' to pursue happiness"; while China's is based on collective well-being and the national pursuit of common prosperity.

Not surprisingly, the self-interest of the former has made the US a laughing stock - with Trump now a possibility for re-election - hence much the world is no longer willing to accept the US as global hegemon for the "rules-based" system.
Certainly China's social stability compares favourably with the US's, and the former is eradicating poverty for more people at a faster rate than any nation in history.

...Back to the Zionist state without a constitution: it doesn't even know the extent of the land available to its citizens - a condition you hilariously described as "not having its paper work in order".

[In contrast, even the US - like the UN - recognises Taiwan is part of 'One China'...and the WB is part of a proposed Palestinian state. ]

Funniest of all is a blind "freedom values" ideologue like you imagining he has "critical thinking skills".

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Reply #929 - Aug 6^th, 2023 at 6:55pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 6^th, 2023 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 5^th, 2023 at 11:58am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5^th, 2023 at 11:50am:

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2023 at 3:17pm:

So why is the constitutional issues relevant to whether they should get out of the WB?

Because Israel hasn't even defined what land it occupies, in a constitution.......in an era (ie since 1946) when "the occupation of territory by force is inadmissible...."

So what?

Do you think that if they had the paperwork in order it would fix the problem?

Did you pick up your critical thinking skills in a CCP-run school?

So what? So today a protester (one of thousands on the streets) is saying "we will continue until we have secured our liberal democracy"; obviously he thinks the current RW government is planning to destroy "liberal democracy" in Israel. Enjoy your "beacon on the hill in the ME".

You mentioned the CCP; interestingly, we can compare the US with a 200 year old constition, and China with a 74 year-old one.

The former is based on the "(individual's) 'right' to pursue happiness"; while China's is based on collective well-being and the national pursuit of common prosperity.

Not surprisingly, the self-interest of the former has made the US a laughing stock - with Trump now a possibility for re-election - hence much the world is no longer willing to accept the US as global hegemon for the "rules-based" system.
Certainly China's social stability compares favourably with the US's, and the former is eradicating poverty for more people at a faster rate than any nation in history.

...Back to the Zionist state without a constitution: it doesn't even know the extent of the land available to its citizens - a condition you hilariously described as "not having its paper work in order".

[In contrast, even the US - like the UN - recognises Taiwan is part of 'One China'...and the WB is part of a proposed Palestinian state. ]

Funniest of all is a blind "freedom values" ideologue like you imagining he has "critical thinking skills".

Do you think Muslims have more rights or more say in government in any other middle eastern country?

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