freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 9:36pm:



And the violence continues...which is the point. These ancient OT-based mythologies need to be bought to heel under the UN Charter.

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 11:20am:

Was that AFTER Israel was attacked?

Yes.

Frank wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 8:09pm:


Wrong again....it takes two to tango:

(wiki)

The Haganah, a Jewish paramilitary organization, was initially involved in the post-war attacks against the British in Palestine but withdrew following the outrage caused by the 1946 Irgun bombing of the British Army Headquarters in the King David Hotel.[citation needed]

In May 1946, on the assumption of British neutrality in the future hostilities, a Plan C was formulated that envisaged guidelines for retaliation if and when Palestinian Arab attacks took place on the Yishuv. As the countdown ticked down, the Haganah implemented assaults involving the torching and demolition by explosives against economic infrastructures, the property of Palestinian politicians and military commanders, villages, town neighbourhoods, houses and farms that were deemed to be bases or used by inciters and their accomplices. The killing of armed irregulars and adult males was also foreseen.[citation needed]

In November 1947 the United Nations (UN) voted to partition the British mandate of Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state (see United Nations Resolution 181). Clashes broke out almost immediately between Jews and Arabs in Palestine. As British troops prepared to withdraw from Palestine, conflict continued to escalate, with both Jewish and Arab forces committing belligerences. Among the most infamous events was the attack on the Arab village of Deir Yassin on April 9, 1948. The news of a brutal massacre there by Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang forces spread widely and inspired both panic and retaliation. Days later, Arab forces attacked a Jewish convoy headed for Hadassah Hospital, killing 78.

On the eve of the British forces’ May 15, 1948, withdrawal, Israel declared independence. The next day, Arab forces from Egypt, Transjordan (Jordan), Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon occupied the areas in southern and eastern Palestine not apportioned to the Jews by the UN partition of Palestine and then captured East Jerusalem, including the small Jewish quarter of the Old City.
The stated purpose of the invasion was to restore law and order in light of British withdrawal, citing incidents such as that at Dayr Yāsīn, and a growing refugee crisis in neighbouring Arab countries. The Israelis, meanwhile, won control of the main road to Jerusalem through the Yehuda Mountains (“Hills of Judaea”) and successfully repulsed repeated Arab attacks. By early 1949 the Israelis had managed to occupy all of the Negev up to the former Egypt-Palestine frontier, except for the Gaza Strip.

Between February and July 1949, as a result of separate armistice agreements between Israel and each of the Arab states, a temporary frontier was fixed between Israel and its neighbours. In Israel, the war is remembered as its War of Independence. In the Arab world, it came to be known as the Nakbah (or Nakba; “Catastrophe”) because of the large number of refugees and displaced persons resulting from the war.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Arab-Israeli-wars


https://www.gov.il/en/departments/general/the-war-of-independence-1948



Israel attacked nobody. The Arab STATES attacked Israel.

Ah, so the Jews were scheming?

Frank wrote on Sep 8^th, 2023 at 6:17pm:


Yes.

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Of course the UN-proposed partition of British Mandate Palestine was not defensible from the start, because the UNSC had been rendered toothless  the year before (by the veto) - hence the descent to war.

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Truth telling is needed all around; the OT "Promised Land" mythology, AND the Koranic revelation as the "Final Word of God" bs - all need to be hurried along to the dust-bin of history.   

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The Golden Age of Islam - reaching from Cordoba to Baghdad - was the most productive culture at the time.

The Ottomans were in decline by the 18th century.

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That's right. That's what happens in economic decline.

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You still defending your welfare/poverty industry as the stop-gap to a dysfunctional neoliberal market orthodoxy is a major problem.

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 1:24am:


I'm afraid you will have to keep going until you make sense. Might be a while. Perhaps a few tantrums along the way will help clarify?

freediver wrote on Sep 8^th, 2023 at 6:02pm:


Yes, obviously,  with the aim of recreating,  and hence carving  Israel out of Muslim lands. 

Your point?   

btw, how many Jews did Muhammad kill in Arabia, as part of his mission to establish Islam in Arabia?

And at the same time, how many Arabs who were still 'non believers'?

I think you will find being a non-believer, not a Jew,  was the criterion for slaughter.