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Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday
Reply #105 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:15pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 8:50pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 8:44pm:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2008/02/26/how-to-start-your-own-country-in-four-easy-...

"You must have a defined territory.
They changed territory every time they won or lost a fight.

You must have a permanent population.
They wandered from place to place.

You must have a government.
There was no government.

Your government must be capable of interacting with other states.
They did - with nulla-nullas and spears... until the White Man put a stop to it on Civilisation Day.
"

Who's rules are they crappler? White Man's?
You moron Cheesy

No - international rules accepted by all... even the mindless WOPs with the engine roaring and the blown clutch and gearbox in the brain... engine's running but the wheels aren't spinning... you know the type...

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AusGeoff Gold Member Offline Sage of Gippsland Posts: 6002 Victoria Gender:	Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday Reply #106 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:35pm Australia Day should be 1 January. Australia became a nation in 1901 when the six British colonies—New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania—united to form the Commonwealth of Australia. And this could be the new republic's national flag...
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85138 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday Reply #107 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 10:09pm Then we can all be treated equally, eh? No more preferential treatment for special interest groups and minorities..... you know who I mean...
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85138 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday Reply #108 - Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 12:07am .
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Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday
Reply #109 - Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 6:34am

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:35pm:

Australia Day should be 1 January. Australia became a nation in 1901
when the six British colonies—New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland,
South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania—united to form the
Commonwealth of Australia.

And this could be the new republic's national flag...

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Over my dead body

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Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday
Reply #110 - Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 9:58am

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:35pm:

Australia Day should be 1 January. Australia became a nation in 1901
when the six British colonies—New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland,
South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania—united to form the
Commonwealth of Australia.

And this could be the new republic's national flag...

https://warrenmars.com/soap_box/australia/aboriginal_corner.png

re: the flag Roll Eyes

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Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday
Reply #111 - Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 10:03am

John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 8:41pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 6:54pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:43am:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:14am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:11am:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:00am:

If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters into it.

Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit???

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How about a valid argument as to why it should be changed? But there isn't one, is there?

The main Argument is that having the date celebrate the day the first nations people were colonized and Australia was declared British land....This does not sit well with many Australian's who have no link too British ancesstory....Why not change the date so all Australian's can celebrate if they wish....Patriotism is bullshit anyway IMO???

Here are some reasons if you actually give a crap???

https://www.australianethical.com.au/blog/australia-day-why-we-need-to-change-th...

https://crescentwealth.com.au/articles/8-reasons-why-the-date-for-australia-day-...

https://www.news.com.au/national/why-australia-day-has-to-change-from-january-26...

Now explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian???

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Here's where your stupidity comes to the fore..

there never were any nations or a nation of one group here.

You think in a fantasy .. a delusion.

Speaking of stupidity, wtf has your rant to do with anything? No one said there was a rant. Just more rabid nonsense so you can sprout your stupidity

Spec Savers? the response was to the "first nations" BS.

Much like your BS.

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Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday
Reply #112 - Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 10:39am

Gnads wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 10:03am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 8:41pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 6:54pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:43am:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:14am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:11am:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:00am:

If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters into it.

Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit???

Roll Eyes

How about a valid argument as to why it should be changed? But there isn't one, is there?

The main Argument is that having the date celebrate the day the first nations people were colonized and Australia was declared British land....This does not sit well with many Australian's who have no link too British ancesstory....Why not change the date so all Australian's can celebrate if they wish....Patriotism is bullshit anyway IMO???

Here are some reasons if you actually give a crap???

https://www.australianethical.com.au/blog/australia-day-why-we-need-to-change-th...

https://crescentwealth.com.au/articles/8-reasons-why-the-date-for-australia-day-...

https://www.news.com.au/national/why-australia-day-has-to-change-from-january-26...

Now explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian???

Roll Eyes

Here's where your stupidity comes to the fore..

there never were any nations or a nation of one group here.

You think in a fantasy .. a delusion.

Speaking of stupidity, wtf has your rant to do with anything? No one said there was a rant. Just more rabid nonsense so you can sprout your stupidity

Spec Savers? the response was to the "first nations" BS.

Much like your BS.

So your purile argument is calling Aboriginal and Torris Straight people "First Nation" is incorrect because Australia was not a nation....Perhaps first inhabitants would be more acceptable to your pathetic criticism....Australia was declared Terra nullius by the British!!!

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Terra nullius is a Latin expression meaning "nobody's land". It was a principle sometimes used in international law to justify claims that territory may be acquired by a state's occupation of it.

Aboriginal people were not even counted in the Census untill after 1967....Typical bullshit no response to the argument from a rabid racist....Aboriginal peole were here first and treated abohrently by the British and Colonials....Australia has nothing to be proud of with it's treatment of it's indiginous population!!!

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Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday
Reply #113 - Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 10:53am

That's 'First NationS' - and what they were - were small wandering hunter gatherer groups.... hardly nations.... perhaps 300,000 people had over 100 languages and dialects..... so Nation is a misnomer.....

That's the point..... it's a title and nothing more, alluding to the fact of their having a common background in their group etc... but they did not constitute a single nation or a government and therefore could not be a Nation.

3% of the population must be prevented from wagging the dog......

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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4072 Gender:	Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday Reply #114 - Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 11:59am Nothing but 500 small tribes wandering around naked and raping, murdering and eating children. No economy no permanent buildings no agriculture just hunter gatherers and nothing to show for 50,000 years but a fart noise down a hollow log. Big deal
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Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday
Reply #115 - Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 12:21pm

Frank wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 6:29pm:

NAIDOC week is 2-9 July 2023. What is the significance of those dates in the Aboriginal calendar?

Nothing. There is no Aboriginal calendar and with the possible exception of Aborigines in Sydney Cove, 26 January 1788 went COMPLETELY unremarked.

Getting agitated by that date is pure hate and resentment and toxic self pity - even though almost all Aborigines today have significant European settler or other immigrant blood. How do they reconcile their hearts with that immense hate for their own forebears?

It is a toxic stance and it is cultivated by toxic Europeans with zero Aboriginality, like Thick-as Gino, Tut-tutsie Bbwian, Poison Pill of Perth et al.

I wonder what Pearson's and Price's views (abos - I can't say blacks, because Price looks white - on opposing sides of the voice debate) are on such things as the date, and Mt Warning.

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Boris Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4072 Gender:	Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday Reply #116 - Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 12:23pm Her Mum doesn't look white
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85138 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday Reply #117 - Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 12:33pm Sorry - that should have been 1100+ languages... not 100... my slip.
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Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday
Reply #118 - Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 12:35pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 12:21pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 6:29pm:

NAIDOC week is 2-9 July 2023. What is the significance of those dates in the Aboriginal calendar?

Nothing. There is no Aboriginal calendar and with the possible exception of Aborigines in Sydney Cove, 26 January 1788 went COMPLETELY unremarked.

Getting agitated by that date is pure hate and resentment and toxic self pity - even though almost all Aborigines today have significant European settler or other immigrant blood. How do they reconcile their hearts with that immense hate for their own forebears?

It is a toxic stance and it is cultivated by toxic Europeans with zero Aboriginality, like Thick-as Gino, Tut-tutsie Bbwian, Poison Pill of Perth et al.

I wonder what Pearson's and Price's views (abos - I can't say blacks, because Price looks white - on opposing sides of the voice debate) are on such things as the date, and Mt Warning.

Maybe if you've got a seeing eye dog and a white stick ...

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Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday
Reply #119 - Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 12:37pm

Boris wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 6:34am:

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:35pm:

Australia Day should be 1 January. Australia became a nation in 1901
when the six British colonies—New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland,
South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania—united to form the
Commonwealth of Australia.

And this could be the new republic's national flag...

https://warrenmars.com/soap_box/australia/aboriginal_corner.png

Over my dead body

Typical of flag wavers, preferring to die for ideology, than live for life.

It' a good point made by Aussie that the nation was born in 1901 (with federation), not 1788. Maybe a celebration of 1901 will bring the non-extremists among the black population around to a celebration of modern Oz's foundation, because Jan 1 1901 was NOT "invasion day".

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