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Reply #165 - Dec 24th, 2022 at 12:23pm
 
Well - half-educated fools like this Kookoulos clock guy cost more than $2Bn a year to the economy with their dopey ideas... there's a petty backyard neo-Fascist born every minute.....

Been warning yez about our recent immigration policies and the reality of a fast running motor with a stuffed clutch style of thinking.. she's revving but the wheels ain't turning ....
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Reply #166 - Dec 24th, 2022 at 1:04pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 24th, 2022 at 12:23pm:
Well - half-educated fools like this Kookoulos clock guy cost more than $2Bn a year to the economy with their dopey ideas... there's a petty backyard neo-Fascist born every minute.....


The Kouk is not "half educated", he is a graduate of the ANU, but he is a neoclassical economist which means his understanding of macroeconomics is flawed.

Of course you have no understanding of macroeconomics beyond free market valuation, which means your contribution to economic thought will be zero. 
Hence no answer to #159.

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Been warning yez about our recent immigration policies and the reality of a fast running motor with a stuffed clutch style of thinking.. she's revving but the wheels ain't turning ....


Yes...immigration, so the govt. can avoid skilling its own population (which costs public money).

The IPA love immigration and the insane policy of perpetual growth.



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Reply #167 - Dec 24th, 2022 at 1:14pm
 
So now, dear Brutus, you are going to claim that all those economic theories half-educated into a mind are perfect?  that the receiving of half the required wisdom means that person is educated and not half-educated?

When the education system itself is half good - it follows that its outcomes are half good... if economists were so good we'd have all been in clover centuries ago...

Too many Kouks spoil the economic broth...
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Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday
Reply #168 - Dec 24th, 2022 at 5:37pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 24th, 2022 at 1:14pm:
So now, dear Brutus, you are going to claim that all those economic theories half-educated into a mind are perfect?


No, I'm claiming that even fully-educated minds like the Kouk can be wrong, when it comes to a complex system like the macroeconomy.  

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that the receiving of half the required wisdom means that person is educated and not half-educated?


The accepted (but erroneous) orthodoxy is best not described with the term 'half-educated - but with the term "groupthink".

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When the education system itself is half good - it follows that its outcomes are half good... if economists were so good we'd have all been in clover centuries ago...


Apart from terminology (explained above), I'd agree with you. But the interaction of geopolitics, technological advance, and the macroeconomy has been too complex throughout history for economists to correctly understand .

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Too many Kouks spoil the economic broth...


Very clever. Smiley

But economic truth (MMT) is slowly gaining traction like heliocentricity ousting the geocentric model.
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Reply #169 - Dec 27th, 2022 at 5:33pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:25pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:30am:
Aborigines should call it Liberation Day.




But for a lot of them out in Woop Woop it's Libation Day. Like every other day.
Selective cultural appropriation. Tsk, tsk  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes






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Reply #170 - Dec 27th, 2022 at 6:35pm
 
Lets have a sane look at the claim.

The Public Holiday on Tuesday will cost the economy $2 B.

Now when you consider that likely 80% plus will take the day off as a holiday anyway just where is this productivity going to come from?

Considering that the miserable authoritarians allow the sales and service and food industry to be discriminated against with the lowest wages and most miserable excuse for penalty rates that does not look a great prospect for $2B in savings ? Essential services ? Nup not there either.

Looks like this clown made this pronouncement without bothering to turn his brain on first.
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Reply #171 - Dec 27th, 2022 at 7:27pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 27th, 2022 at 6:35pm:
Lets have a sane look at the claim.

The Public Holiday on Tuesday will cost the economy $2 B.

Now when you consider that likely 80% plus will take the day off as a holiday anyway just where is this productivity going to come from?

Considering that the miserable authoritarians allow the sales and service and food industry to be discriminated against with the lowest wages and most miserable excuse for penalty rates that does not look a great prospect for $2B in savings ? Essential services ? Nup not there either.

Looks like this clown made this pronouncement without bothering to turn his brain on first.


Well - he IS an educated economist you know....   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  they operate like that broken watch.... correct twice every 24 hours...
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Reply #172 - Dec 27th, 2022 at 7:51pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 27th, 2022 at 7:27pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 27th, 2022 at 6:35pm:
Lets have a sane look at the claim.

The Public Holiday on Tuesday will cost the economy $2 B.

Now when you consider that likely 80% plus will take the day off as a holiday anyway just where is this productivity going to come from?

Considering that the miserable authoritarians allow the sales and service and food industry to be discriminated against with the lowest wages and most miserable excuse for penalty rates that does not look a great prospect for $2B in savings ? Essential services ? Nup not there either.

Looks like this clown made this pronouncement without bothering to turn his brain on first.


Well - he IS an educated economist you know....   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  they operate like that broken watch.... correct twice every 24 hours...


For the economists that make it onto TV the rate would be about once every 24 years. If they were real economists they would make much more by not being on TV.
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Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday
Reply #173 - Dec 27th, 2022 at 8:26pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 27th, 2022 at 7:51pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 27th, 2022 at 7:27pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 27th, 2022 at 6:35pm:
Lets have a sane look at the claim.

The Public Holiday on Tuesday will cost the economy $2 B.

Now when you consider that likely 80% plus will take the day off as a holiday anyway just where is this productivity going to come from?

Considering that the miserable authoritarians allow the sales and service and food industry to be discriminated against with the lowest wages and most miserable excuse for penalty rates that does not look a great prospect for $2B in savings ? Essential services ? Nup not there either.

Looks like this clown made this pronouncement without bothering to turn his brain on first.


Well - he IS an educated economist you know....   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  they operate like that broken watch.... correct twice every 24 hours...


For the economists that make it onto TV the rate would be about once every 24 years. If they were real economists they would make much more by not being on TV.



Dividie is always trying to preach his economics theories to me - I studied economics when he was a gleam in his father's eye ... or longer ago... and I differ from his narrow views.
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Reply #174 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 10:51am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23rd, 2022 at 11:16am:
Gnads wrote on Dec 23rd, 2022 at 8:03am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 4:45pm:
Gnads wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 2:27pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 12:45pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:09pm:
Then we can all be treated equally, eh?  No more preferential treatment for special interest groups and minorities..... you know who I mean...


certainly, but the huge gap based on skin colour will need to be closed.


There is no gap "based" on skin colour.

creating another myth?


Er ..the aboriginal people in Oz with actual black skin... ...with a life span a decade less on average than non-blacks, a result of a comparatively poor health status; incarceration rates among the highest in the world; poverty and unemployment rates multiples of those of the  non-black population

Care to define "myth"? (don't worry about "based", it means "related to"). 


Your "gap" is a myth - just like the gender pay gap myth.


Wrong. Black aboriginals have demonstrably worse social outcomes, as already mentioned (health, life expectancy, incarceration). And workers in age- and child care,  mostly women, are underpaid, which also is not a myth.    

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The ability, the opportunity & the resources have been there for decades to change their situations.


Black aboriginals can't change their circumstances related to 200 years of dispossession and discrimination, without the assistance of the nation's government. 

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You tell me why the people you speak of don't make the most of it?


People are committed to their culture; a smashed culture requires considered intervention to enable people to  prosper in a new dominant culture.


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Wouldn't be a matter of choice now would it?


No. If your culture is smashed, "choice" is moot.

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As for actual black skinned Aboriginals - you know it's inappropriate to define them by skin colour?


What's "appropriate" ie politically correct, is irrelevant; real black aboriginals are the ones suffering from the gap.

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And you say Jacinta Price looks white Grin


Yes - ie non-black skin.

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Here's the Aboriginal Student of the Year in the Northern Territory 2022.

You know the Territory? The place where the biggest number of black skinned Aboriginals live?

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Of those who completed their certificate of education this year, 228 were Aboriginal students, and 70 students hailed from remote communities.

Mataranka High School recorded its first high school graduate and Laynhapuy Homeland School in East Arnhem Land saw six students complete year 12 for the first time.


Out of 1,352 eligible students finishing High School only 228 were Aboriginal & only 70 from remote communities.

Mataranka High School had only 1 student graduate gr. 12.

Another high school in east Arnhem had 6 complete year 12 for the 1st time ... that's complete it didn't say graduate.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-19/top-nt-year-12-students-for-2022-awarded-...


Yes, and Emma King in the photo  has white (if tanned)  skin.


Men work in  child & aged care as well as women .... they are paid the same as there female counter parts...

being a low paid job has nothing to do with women being paid less then men i.e. gender pay gap ....

it's just that they require a pay rise across the board.  Roll Eyes

It's an hypocrisy to call it a "gender" pay gap anyway .... in light of the fact that gender is classed as a social construct.

It should be - if it actually existed - a female pay gap.

200 yrs of dispossession & discrimination? Perrlease .... there's not a Black or white Aboriginal alive today that is suffering either.
In the last 70 years there has been hundreds of billions spent on Aboriginal specific programs of housing, health & education & in the last 2 decades vast swathes of land have been handed back control to Aboriginal groups all over the country.

Where have you been?

Too busy with your ideologue rhetoric?

Considered intervention?  Grin Grin Don't make me laugh.

There was a considered intervention policy implemented in the NT which involved banning of grog in communities & the cashless debit card.

It was whinged about as discriminatory by the very people whom it was designed to assist & the moment Labor won the Territory elections they rescinded the policy. Roll Eyes Starving/neglected kids & the rates of DV & child sexual abuse started to increase.

Jacinta Price is not "black" as soot like her mother but she is still very brown ....she doesn't look white at all. Did you ever consider she wears make up that makes her look a bit paler?

Emma King is a shyte load whiter than Jacinta Price & much more European featured.

You're all piss & wind ... how come you didn't mention the job guarantee & the CDEP - again? Grin
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Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday
Reply #175 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 11:20am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Dec 23rd, 2022 at 10:56pm:
The "additional" public holidays that replace Christmas days and
New Year's day that fall on Saturdays and/or Sundays need to be
abolished.

Leading Australian economist Stephen Koukoulas estimates that
each of these additional days off cost Australia's economy close
to $2 billion in lost productivity.

During a period of economic downturn, can we really afford this
relative luxury?

And as a lifelong atheist, I have to ask why is it that a religious
celebration will stop me shopping on Sunday 25th December or
Good Friday 7th April next year?        Conversely, why is it that
there's no public holiday in order for atheists to celebrate?



Atheism isn't a religion, it's not cultural - it has no ancient doctrine & holy days/events like Christianity, Judaism & Islam.

Why would you think it relevant for "non-cultural non believers" to get a public holiday?

economist Stephen Koukoulas should also work out the lost productivity when people take dives to make long weekends when public holidays fall on a Thursday or a Tuesday.

People like him are on big business payroll & are always doing a whinge about people having time off.

How much money has business saved with the reduction in penalty & nightshift rates?

Never happy until they have people back working 7 days a week & 16 hrs a day.

There are only 7 national public holidays.
New Year's Day, Australia Day, Good Friday, Easter Monday, ANZAC Day, Christmas Day and Boxing Day.

Each state has their own on top of that. 

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Reply #176 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 11:27am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 24th, 2022 at 1:04pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 24th, 2022 at 12:23pm:
Well - half-educated fools like this Kookoulos clock guy cost more than $2Bn a year to the economy with their dopey ideas... there's a petty backyard neo-Fascist born every minute.....


The Kouk is not "half educated", he is a graduate of the ANU, but he is a neoclassical economist which means his understanding of macroeconomics is flawed.

Of course you have no understanding of macroeconomics beyond free market valuation, which means your contribution to economic thought will be zero. 
Hence no answer to #159.

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Been warning yez about our recent immigration policies and the reality of a fast running motor with a stuffed clutch style of thinking.. she's revving but the wheels ain't turning ....


Yes...immigration, so the govt. can avoid skilling its own population (which costs public money).

The IPA love immigration and the insane policy of perpetual growth.





Yes - public/taxpayer money .... not govt. money - they don't actually have any - unless they print some.
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Reply #177 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 11:30am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Dec 23rd, 2022 at 10:56pm:
And as a lifelong atheist, I have to ask why is it that a religious
celebration will stop me shopping on Sunday 25th December or
Good Friday 7th April next year?        Conversely, why is it that
there's no public holiday in order for atheists to celebrate?




Atheism is has no symbolic content or meaning or significance.
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Reply #178 - Dec 28th, 2022 at 11:41am
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 28th, 2022 at 11:27am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 24th, 2022 at 1:04pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 24th, 2022 at 12:23pm:
Well - half-educated fools like this Kookoulos clock guy cost more than $2Bn a year to the economy with their dopey ideas... there's a petty backyard neo-Fascist born every minute.....


The Kouk is not "half educated", he is a graduate of the ANU, but he is a neoclassical economist which means his understanding of macroeconomics is flawed.

Of course you have no understanding of macroeconomics beyond free market valuation, which means your contribution to economic thought will be zero. 
Hence no answer to #159.

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Been warning yez about our recent immigration policies and the reality of a fast running motor with a stuffed clutch style of thinking.. she's revving but the wheels ain't turning ....


Yes...immigration, so the govt. can avoid skilling its own population (which costs public money).

The IPA love immigration and the insane policy of perpetual growth.





Yes - public/taxpayer money .... not govt. money - they don't actually have any - unless they print some.


You are catching on.

Note: at present, the privilege of "printing" money** is reserved for private sector banks.

[Currently, central banks though part of government, cannot fund government]

**creating money is the actual process.

Which is why governments are forced to rely on "taxpayer money".

However there is no reason - other than ideology -  why a currency-issuing government with its own treasury and central bank cannot ALSO create its own money, alongside the private sector, as long as the resources, goods and  services are available for purchase by the government. 

...without recourse to "taxpayer money".

 
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Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday
Reply #179 - Dec 29th, 2022 at 9:56am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:49am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:39am:
"Some people are just racist low life scum who have NFI???"

Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

You can always pack your bags and leave, kid.....most people are not running around demanding that everything be changed to suit them .... they're just getting on with it... so it's clear the only racists here are those pushing for changes to everything on the base of their colour or ethnic group.


I am over 50 you patronizing old wanker....I don't advocate for changing the date, I have presented facts which you are too stupid to comprehend....Your arguments are purile and based on your own belief you are racially superior....You are a dluded old racist with little to offer any debate IMO!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Ahh the ageist hypocrisy of a 50 yr old that carries on like an infant. Grin

Your opinion is like an arsehole - everyone has one.

Bye the bye - if you particularly don't want to change the date - your so called facts about why you or some may want it changed is an irrelevance.

You're just a numpty that likes to throw the "racist" card around like rice at a wedding.

It means SFA coming from you.
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