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Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday
Reply #75 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 3:25pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 2:11pm:

Yes - Ridiculous..... that's the word.... the issue under discussion here is ABOS and their activities.... not anyone else's ... and if you can't handle the official figures take it up with the relevant authorities, children.

Most of us can't 'handle' (ie, we are horrified by) the official figures re black crime and incarceration, that's why a strong majority (c.80%) of Australians DO want to close the gap, whereas apparently the desire to change (or maintain) the Oz day date (on 26th Jan) doesn't command the same clear majority.

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Facts and figures don't give a damn what your paint job is....

True, but note the above facts and figures; what is your paint job?

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Reply #76 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 4:31pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 3:25pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 2:11pm:

Yes - Ridiculous..... that's the word.... the issue under discussion here is ABOS and their activities.... not anyone else's ... and if you can't handle the official figures take it up with the relevant authorities, children.

Most of us can't 'handle' (ie, we are horrified by) the official figures re black crime and incarceration, that's why a strong majority (c.80%) of Australians DO want to close the gap, whereas apparently the desire to change (or maintain) the Oz day date (on 26th Jan) doesn't command the same clear majority.

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Facts and figures don't give a damn what your paint job is....

True, but note the above facts and figures; what is your paint job?

It is, however, a CLEAR majority - and frankly - WGAF about the views of the uninformed and ring-ins and self-interesteds and there is NO reason to change it at all... try reading down a bit to keep up.

What would an Indian, a Paki, an Afghan, a Chinese, a MEaster etc - all recently arrived and with zero idea of our (thunder approaching)....CULTURE, know about Australia Day and what it actually means? Jesus - even some of those dopey Greek etc sheilas (the motor's racing but the gearbox is broken) who've been here a generation or so are on the hate trail for Australia... while enjoying the sweet life from it.....

Maybe we need to give provisional citizenship dependent upon learning the ropes for ten years before they are allowed to vote on anything and limit election and appointment to public office to - say - third generation people ONLY .... sounds like the only way to keep the uninformed and culturally illiterate from following some ridiculous idea pushed by a tiny minority of people out of their tiny minds... if they despise the country so much that they want to change its national day - why are they here?

Clearly if we went to their country and wanted to change their national day they'd have a very short and sharp answer...F
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CK OFF! Pack your bags, Whitey, and off you go, Imperialist Dog...

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Reply #77 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 4:52pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 4:31pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 3:25pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 2:11pm:

Yes - Ridiculous..... that's the word.... the issue under discussion here is ABOS and their activities.... not anyone else's ... and if you can't handle the official figures take it up with the relevant authorities, children.

Most of us can't 'handle' (ie, we are horrified by) the official figures re black crime and incarceration, that's why a strong majority (c.80%) of Australians DO want to close the gap, whereas apparently the desire to change (or maintain) the Oz day date (on 26th Jan) doesn't command the same clear majority.

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Facts and figures don't give a damn what your paint job is....

True, but note the above facts and figures; what is your paint job?

It is, however, a CLEAR majority - and frankly - WGAF about the views of the uninformed and ring-ins and self-interesteds and there is NO reason to change it at all... try reading down a bit to keep up.

Are the highlighted among the overwhelming majority who want to close the gap?

While I agree there is no real reason to change the date, the reasons for the hurt feelings of those who want to change the date need to be examined and addressed.

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What would an Indian, a Paki, an Afghan, a Chinese, a MEaster etc - all recently arrived and with zero idea of our (thunder approaching)....CULTURE, know about Australia Day and what it actually means? Jesus - even some of those dopey Greek etc sheilas (the motor's racing but the gearbox is broken) who've been here a generation or so are on the hate trail for Australia... while enjoying the sweet life from it.....

Hmm.... a fair point, the new arrivals are likely less committed to the historical significance of Oz day, and more likely to be attracted to a change the date campaign, out of sympathy for the plight of blacks in Oz.

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Maybe we need to give provisional citizenship dependent upon learning the ropes for ten years before they are allowed to vote on anything and limit election and appointment to public office to - say - third generation people ONLY .... sounds like the only way to keep the uninformed and culturally illiterate from following some ridiculous idea pushed by a tiny minority of people out of their tiny minds... if they despise the country so much that they want to change its national day - why are they here?

Addressed above. So does one need to learn about the history of a nation, warts and all, before one can receive citizenship....

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Clearly if we went to their country and wanted to change their national day they'd have a very short and sharp answer..

Indeed.

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Reply #79 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 4:59pm

You're fixated on closing the gaps that will never be closed until the Abos assimilate and take an active part instead of a destructive part in their own lives.

The issue here is Australia Day and some not wanting to take penalty rates for working on a public holiday and taking a single time day off in lieu ... THAT"S what is behind this - a push by management to undercut penalty rates for public holidays.

As for the Whiners and Winers - it's the verge of 2023 - not 1787 .... the old days are gone, dead, cremated and buried.

Did Nelson Mandela succeed by doing things 'the old way'? Or did he use the White Man's way to get sense to prevail - sort of anyway... there will always be extremists who simply cannot live and let live...??

Did Mahatma Gandhi follow the 'old way' of empirical conquest and internecine war and the winner takes all and the winner is right??

Christ some of you need a break from your mental cells and a bit of exercise in the sunlight of simple reality.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85043 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday Reply #80 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:00pm John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 4:58pm: Just move the date and be done with it. The anti abo brigade can get frkked Just keep the date and be done with it. The abo brigade can get frkked.
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Reply #81 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:03pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 4:58pm:

Just move the date and be done with it.

The anti abo brigade can get frkked

Moving the date will not do a thing for the Aboriginal children being raped, the women being beaten and abused or the alcohol and drug abuse endemic in many Aboriginal communities, but it will make the virtue signalling wankers feel good about themselves without actually having to face the real problems. Roll Eyes

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Reply #82 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:07pm

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 4:58pm:

Just move the date and be done with it.

The anti abo brigade can get frkked

Moving the date will not do a thing for the Aboriginal children being raped, the women being beaten and abused or the alcohol and drug abuse endemic in many Aboriginal communities, but it will make the virtue signalling wankers feel good about themselves without actually having to face the real problems. Roll Eyes

Same could be said for the Right wingers, Belgarion. They don't want to face the truth about their treatment of the Indigenous, now do they? They just want to punish the Indigenous for daring to be here first and different. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #83 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:19pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:07pm:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 4:58pm:

Just move the date and be done with it.

The anti abo brigade can get frkked

Moving the date will not do a thing for the Aboriginal children being raped, the women being beaten and abused or the alcohol and drug abuse endemic in many Aboriginal communities, but it will make the virtue signalling wankers feel good about themselves without actually having to face the real problems. Roll Eyes

Same could be said for the Right wingers, Belgarion. They don't want to face the truth about their treatment of the Indigenous, now do they? They just want to punish the Indigenous for daring to be here first and different. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

OH?? And precisely what did those 'right wingers' of today do to those Indigenous? "I was here first" no longer applies any more than the old ways of landing on a country and claiming it.... this is the 21st Century.... Australia - woefully given the outcomes to date... is a multi-cultural country...... like most in the world other than - say - some dark African nation intent on genociding outsiders and those not of their approved group or say an extreme Islamist nation that will never abide any 'intrusion' from anyone else interfering with their fanatical religion... or some equally dark European country like Russia still bound in the Middle Ages of serfdom and abject poverty and absolute servitude to the state/ruler .....

Just like our local Cheers - we are trying to bring them into civilisation and better behaviour on the world, national and personal stage.

Free State of Jones - "Every man is someone else's Ni

gg

er" - it's just that some choose to behave that way by choice and thus to denigrate themselves and their own group.

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Reply #85 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:28pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 4:59pm:

You're fixated on closing the gaps that will never be closed until the Abos assimilate and take an active part instead of a destructive part in their own lives.

The question is HOW do we "re-educate" them...so they can take a creative path in their own communities and in the nation.

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The issue here is Australia Day and some not wanting to take penalty rates for working on a public holiday and taking a single time day off in lieu ... THAT"S what is behind this - a push by management to undercut penalty rates for public holidays.

Ah graps I reckon that's a bit of a conspiracy theory.... sympathy for black dispossession has much more to do with it.

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As for the Whiners and Winers - it's the verge of 2023 - not 1787 .... the old days are gone, dead, cremated and buried.

Indeed.

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Did Nelson Mandela succeed by doing things 'the old way'? Or did he use the White Man's way to get sense to prevail - sort of anyway... there will always be extremists who simply cannot live and let live...??

Mandela worked to get rid of apartheid, easier than closing the gap.....

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Did Mahatma Gandhi follow the 'old way' of empirical conquest and internecine war and the winner takes all and the winner is right??

Gandhi worked for Indian independence - easier than closing the gap in Oz, despite the might of the British Empire in the early 20th century, because he had the (mostly) entire nation with him.

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Christ some of you need a break from your mental cells and a bit of exercise in the sunlight of simple reality.

I hope I have shone some light on your errors, above.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85043 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday Reply #86 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:36pm Re-education will not be a problem once the Chinese take over... they know how to deal with restive minorities... The point about Mandela and Gandhi was the way they went about it - not what they were trying to achieve...and neither went about it 'the old way'.....
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Reply #87 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:49pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:36pm:

Re-education will not be a problem once the Chinese take over... they know how to deal with restive minorities...

The Chinese are not going to take over, so we have to deal with the current culture/race-based societal dysfunction in Oz, ourselves.

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The point about Mandela and Gandhi was the way they went about it - not what they were trying to achieve...and neither went about it 'the old way'.....

How they went about it was obviously dependent on what they were trying to achieve.

And in Oz we are trying to close the gap, a far more difficult task than either Mandela or Gandhi faced - despite the huge barriers those two men faced.

[though on reflection , a JG would make closing the gap much easier than what either Mandela or Gandhi faced.)

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Reply #88 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 6:29pm

NAIDOC week is 2-9 July 2023. What is the significance of those dates in the Aboriginal calendar?

Nothing. There is no Aboriginal calendar and with the possible exception of Aborigines in Sydney Cove, 26 January 1788 went COMPLETELY unremarked.

Getting agitated by that date is pure hate and resentment and toxic self pity - even though almost all Aborigines today have significant European settler or other immigrant blood. How do they reconcile their hearts with that immense hate for their own forebears?

It is a toxic stance and it is cultivated by toxic Europeans with zero Aboriginality, like Thick-as Gino, Tut-tutsie Bbwian, Poison Pill of Perth et al.

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Reply #89 - Dec 21^st, 2022 at 6:38pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 8:20am:

Boris wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 7:52am:

It sits well with most Australians except a handful of Crackpots.

Stop speaking English if you feel that way you moron.

Bullshit Boris....Why post crap when it is so easily debunked....You have NFI do you???

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* 59.8 per cent collectively support changing the date of Australia Day, compared with 31.6 per cent who do not

*59.9 per cent indicated it was likely Australia Day would be moved from 26 January in the next ten 10 years

Dickhead!!!

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https://councilmagazine.com.au/survey-shows-support-for-changing-australia-day-d...

https://www.deakin.edu.au/research/research-news-and-publications/articles/60-of...

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nearly-two-thirds-of-australians-65-say-janua...

https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-day-date-change-nearly-50-per-cent-o...

Not interested in a Melbourne Council survey - from the woke wanker capital of Australia.

Or Deakin University .. a Melbourne University.

Morgan Gallop polls Grin

And 9News? FFS Roll Eyes

And you live in Perth?

Is this how woke idiots drown out the majority?

Most people outside your intensive urban city areas do not support your BS.

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