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Re: They lied and said the vaccine would protect us
Reply #90 - Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:40pm

good article there.

its from the washington post.

we now have articles from the washington post and the new york times confirming vaccine immunity is inferior and that you are more likely to get reinfected if you rely on it.

clearly the bed wetters are doubling down but they are getting little support.

our chief health officers are no longer concerned with covid and advised the PM not to bother testing chinese tourists.

the bed wetters want everyone to believe the chief health officer when he is saying what they want but when he has a different set of facts, they want to call him out .

they want , so deperately to believe that the vaccines can create a little safe spce for them

they are like children, hiding under the bed from this monster (a mild respiratory virus).

each day that passes they (the bed wetters) become more and more the lunatic fringe

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Re: They lied and said the vaccine would protect us
Reply #91 - Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:43pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 4:52pm:

bobby,

we need to be big picture people.

north eastern usa is up to 5 vaccines.

and its currently experiencing a tidal wave of the new variant

africa, where even having a single vaccine is at only 10 % has virtually no cases.

ethiopia, kenya and uganda were offered free vaccines by the WHO but turned them down as they have no cases.

i dont know who alex berrenson is.

undoubtedly carl will be along shortly to declare him a nut job

but if you can look at what is actually happening, you would at least want this investigated.

do more vaccines make you more likely to get reinfected.

surely that is a somewhat important question.

why isnt australia investigating and reporting.

could it be you never want to ask a question you wont like the answer to?

this may be the case

Places like Africa may not count as people live in such disgusting
unsanitary conditions that weak people have long since died off
leaving only the super strong to face the virus.

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Re: They lied and said the vaccine would protect us
Reply #92 - Jan 6^th, 2023 at 8:04pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:40pm:

good article there.

its from the washington post.

we now have articles from the washington post and the new york times confirming vaccine immunity is inferior and that you are more likely to get reinfected if you rely on it.

clearly the bed wetters are doubling down but they are getting little support.

our chief health officers are no longer concerned with covid and advised the PM not to bother testing chinese tourists.

the bed wetters want everyone to believe the chief health officer when he is saying what they want but when he has a different set of facts, they want to call him out .

they want , so deperately to believe that the vaccines can create a little safe spce for them

they are like children, hiding under the bed from this monster (a mild respiratory virus).

each day that passes they (the bed wetters) become more and more the lunatic fringe

Here is one study mentioned by Dr Makary a Professor at John Hopkins in WaPo article i linked.

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Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals

Now published in Clinical Infectious Diseasesdoi:10.1093/cid/ciac022

Posted June 19, 2021

Background The purpose of this study was to evaluate the necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in persons previously infected with SARS-CoV-2.

Methods
Employees of the Cleveland Clinic Health System working in Ohio on Dec 16, 2020, the day COVID-19 vaccination was started, were included.
The cumulative incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection over the next five months, among previously infected subjects who received the vaccine, was compared with those of previously infected subjects who remained unvaccinated, previously uninfected subjects who received the vaccine, and previously uninfected subjects who remained unvaccinated.

Results
Not one of the 1359 previously infected subjects who remained unvaccinated had a SARS-CoV-2 infection over the duration of the study.

Conclusions Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v3.full-text

The big problem comes from the Branch Covidians (covidiots) who don't understand science they cite articles that have proven to be wrong and oudated yet think those articles are right because they found them on the internet.

With science when a theory is proven to be wrong it's thrown in the garbage the truth is embraced this is one of the basic fundamentals they don't comprehend.

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Re: They lied and said the vaccine would protect us
Reply #93 - Jan 6^th, 2023 at 8:28pm

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Conclusions: Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before.

I don't necessarily disagree with this assertion. It makes sense in that
if one has a viral infection, then one's immune system will be better
conditioned to repel further instances of an identical virus but not
necessarily variants of that virus.

And of course the claim ignores the fact that unvaccinated individuals
may well contract SARS-CoV-2, and end up in hospital, or in ICU, or at
worst dead.

98% of patients in ICU are unvaccinated.
[Professor Ben Cowie, Victorian Chief Health Officer]

It also means that it's recommended that people who've not previously
contracted SARS-CoV-2 undertake vaccination.

It also ignores the fact that as SARS-CoV-2 mutates, one's unvaccinated
immune system is less likely to repel the newer variant, whereas newer
booster vaccinations will be developed ad hoc in order to do so.

Which is why I have a seasonal influenza vaccination each and every year
in order to prevent infection from new flu variants.

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Re: They lied and said the vaccine would protect us
Reply #94 - Jan 6^th, 2023 at 8:40pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 8:28pm:

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Conclusions: Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before.

I don't necessarily disagree with this assertion. It makes sense in that
if one has a viral infection, then one's immune system will be better
conditioned to repel further instances of an identical virus but not
necessarily variants of that virus.

And of course the claim ignores the fact that unvaccinated individuals
may well contract SARS-CoV-2, and end up in hospital, or in ICU, or at
worst dead.

98% of patients in ICU are unvaccinated.
[Professor Ben Cowie, Victorian Chief Health Officer]

It also means that it's recommended that people who've not previously
contracted SARS-CoV-2 undertake vaccination.

It also ignores the fact that as SARS-CoV-2 mutates, one's unvaccinated
immune system is less likely to repel the newer variant, whereas newer
booster vaccinations will be developed ad hoc in order to do so.

Which is why I have a seasonal influenza vaccination each and every year
in order to prevent infection from new flu variants.

geff, that 98 % figure is from july 2021, over 18 months ago and at a time many people had just started to get the vaccines AND one vax at that time was still classified as unvaccinated.

playing with statistics

a lot has changed since then .

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Re: They lied and said the vaccine would protect us
Reply #95 - Jan 6^th, 2023 at 8:50pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 8:28pm:

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Conclusions: Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before.

I don't necessarily disagree with this assertion. It makes sense in that
if one has a viral infection, then one's immune system will be better
conditioned to repel further instances of an identical virus but not
necessarily variants of that virus.

And of course the claim ignores the fact that unvaccinated individuals
may well contract SARS-CoV-2, and end up in hospital, or in ICU, or at
worst dead.

98% of patients in ICU are unvaccinated.
[Professor Ben Cowie, Victorian Chief Health Officer]

It also means that it's recommended that people who've not previously
contracted SARS-CoV-2 undertake vaccination.

It also ignores the fact that as SARS-CoV-2 mutates, one's unvaccinated
immune system is less likely to repel the newer variant, whereas newer
booster vaccinations will be developed ad hoc in order to do so.

Which is why I have a seasonal influenza vaccination each and every year
in order to prevent infection from new flu variants.

Shell shilo has already adressed this she is 100% correct go back and read her posts.

The vaccination only works with near identical variants. The mrna trains your immune system to recognise spike protein when that spike protein evolves the vaccine doesn't work.

Natural immunity from previous infection recognises the genome of the virus so any evolutionary changes with spike protein which vaccinations have forced with selective pressure will make little difference as your immune sytem recognises the rest of the genome and says we remeber this and fights it.

The newer variants are 90% less deadly than Delta do some research on that, we had a 99.9% survival rate for those under 60 up to Delta variant. Omicron and it's variants aren't going to be a problem for those unvaxxed under 60 who are healthy.

As for your nonsense about 98% of those in ICU are unvaxxed what were the vax rates when that statement was made was it less than 40% in NSW which was higher than any other state with vaccine uptake at that time? Are you quoting old outdated bullshit that is no longer relevant?

NSW health data shows no unvaxxed in ICU for over 8 weeks with 4 unvaxxed in hospital. Those with 4 or more shots have a higher rate compared to anyone with hospital ICU and deaths.
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1668373929/33#33

I had a flu shot about 20 years ago haven't had any since. Haven't caught the flu for about 25 years.

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Re: They lied and said the vaccine would protect us
Reply #96 - Jan 7^th, 2023 at 8:56am

ShellShilo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:08pm:

You can find any article, or person, to support any idea you want.

WELL, ain't THAT conspiracy theory 101 !

1. Establish your conspiracy theory

2 Plow through thousands of medicos, bloggers, shock-jocks, "a recent study has found" etc.

3. Highlight the 1 or 2 that AGREE with you

This is NOT "research"

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Re: They lied and said the vaccine would protect us
Reply #97 - Jan 7^th, 2023 at 9:05am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:40pm:

good article there.

its from the washington post.

we now have articles from the washington post and the new york times confirming vaccine immunity is inferior and that you are more likely to get reinfected if you rely on it.

clearly the bed wetters are doubling down but they are getting little support.

our chief health officers are no longer concerned with covid and advised the PM not to bother testing chinese tourists.

the bed wetters want everyone to believe the chief health officer when he is saying what they want but when he has a different set of facts, they want to call him out .

they want , so deperately to believe that the vaccines can create a little safe spce for them

they are like children, hiding under the bed from this monster (a mild respiratory virus).

each day that passes they (the bed wetters) become more and more the lunatic fringe

Still waiting for someone to call the Australian government and the CHO out on this fact:

INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON ECONOMIC, SOCIAL AND CULTURAL RIGHTS

Australian Treaty Series 1976 No 5

DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

CANBERRA

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

(New York, 16 December 1966)

Entry into force generally: 3 January 1976

Entry into force for Australia: 10 March 1976

AUSTRALIAN TREATY SERIES

1976 No. 5

Australian Government Publishing Service

Canberra

(c) Commonwealth of Australia 1995

Article 12

1. The States Parties to the present Covenant recognize the right of everyone to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health.

2. The steps to be taken by the States Parties to the present Covenant to achieve the full realization of this right shall include those necessary for:

(a) The provision for the reduction of the stillbirth-rate and of infant mortality and for the healthy development of the child;

(b) The improvement of all aspects of environmental and industrial hygiene;

(c) The prevention, treatment and control of epidemic, endemic, occupational and other diseases;

(d) The creation of conditions which would assure to all medical service and medical attention in the event of sickness.

And probably (d) as well.

Anyone?

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Re: They lied and said the vaccine would protect us
Reply #98 - Jan 7^th, 2023 at 9:23am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:40pm:

they are like children, hiding under the bed from this monster (a mild respiratory virus).

each day that passes they (the bed wetters) become more and more the lunatic fringe

At least they're not sociopaths.

Sociopaths Are More Likely to Refuse Wearing a Mask and Other COVID-19 Measures, Study Finds

23rd August 2020

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A new study from Brazil has found that people with sociopathic traits are more likely to not comply with mask-wearing and other measures to limit the spread of coronavirus.

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The study investigated the relationship between antisocial personality traits and compliance with COVID-19 measures using a sample of 1,578 Brazilian adults aged between 18 and 73.

Between May 21 and June 29, participants completed a test that assessed maladaptive personality traits as well as assessments on apathy and compliance with coronavirus-related measures. The findings were published in the journal Personality and Individual Differences.

The researchers found that those who had higher scores in traits including callousness, deceitfulness, hostility, impulsivity, irresponsibility, manipulativeness and risk-taking tended to be less compliant with COVID-19 containment measures, such as mask-wearing, hand-washing and social distancing.

But those who had higher levels of empathy tended to be more compliant with the measures.

You're not a sociopath are you? Shocked

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Re: They lied and said the vaccine would protect us
Reply #99 - Jan 7^th, 2023 at 4:15pm

Carl D wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 9:23am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:40pm:

they are like children, hiding under the bed from this monster (a mild respiratory virus).

each day that passes they (the bed wetters) become more and more the lunatic fringe

At least they're not sociopaths.

Sociopaths Are More Likely to Refuse Wearing a Mask and Other COVID-19 Measures, Study Finds

23rd August 2020

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A new study from Brazil has found that people with sociopathic traits are more likely to not comply with mask-wearing and other measures to limit the spread of coronavirus.

Quote:

The study investigated the relationship between antisocial personality traits and compliance with COVID-19 measures using a sample of 1,578 Brazilian adults aged between 18 and 73.

Between May 21 and June 29, participants completed a test that assessed maladaptive personality traits as well as assessments on apathy and compliance with coronavirus-related measures. The findings were published in the journal Personality and Individual Differences.

The researchers found that those who had higher scores in traits including callousness, deceitfulness, hostility, impulsivity, irresponsibility, manipulativeness and risk-taking tended to be less compliant with COVID-19 containment measures, such as mask-wearing, hand-washing and social distancing.

But those who had higher levels of empathy tended to be more compliant with the measures.

You're not a sociopath are you? Shocked

WTF has telling people not to wear an ineffective mask got to do with being a sociopath ? It's just common sense.

You must be totally retarded to keep pushing this line.

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Re: They lied and said the vaccine would protect us
Reply #100 - Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:25pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 4:15pm:

Carl D wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 9:23am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:40pm:

they are like children, hiding under the bed from this monster (a mild respiratory virus).

each day that passes they (the bed wetters) become more and more the lunatic fringe

At least they're not sociopaths.

Sociopaths Are More Likely to Refuse Wearing a Mask and Other COVID-19 Measures, Study Finds

23rd August 2020

Quote:

A new study from Brazil has found that people with sociopathic traits are more likely to not comply with mask-wearing and other measures to limit the spread of coronavirus.

Quote:

The study investigated the relationship between antisocial personality traits and compliance with COVID-19 measures using a sample of 1,578 Brazilian adults aged between 18 and 73.

Between May 21 and June 29, participants completed a test that assessed maladaptive personality traits as well as assessments on apathy and compliance with coronavirus-related measures. The findings were published in the journal Personality and Individual Differences.

The researchers found that those who had higher scores in traits including callousness, deceitfulness, hostility, impulsivity, irresponsibility, manipulativeness and risk-taking tended to be less compliant with COVID-19 containment measures, such as mask-wearing, hand-washing and social distancing.

But those who had higher levels of empathy tended to be more compliant with the measures.

You're not a sociopath are you? Shocked

WTF has telling people not to wear an ineffective mask got to do with being a sociopath ? It's just common sense.

You must be totally retarded to keep pushing this line.

When Australians had a mask on 2,000 died. When Australians took the mask off 15,000 died.

It is fairly obvious.

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Re: They lied and said the vaccine would protect us
Reply #101 - Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:39pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:40pm:

good article there.

its from the washington post.

we now have articles from the washington post and the new york times confirming vaccine immunity is inferior and that you are more likely to get reinfected if you rely on it.

clearly the bed wetters are doubling down but they are getting little support.

our chief health officers are no longer concerned with covid and advised the PM not to bother testing chinese tourists.

the bed wetters want everyone to believe the chief health officer when he is saying what they want but when he has a different set of facts, they want to call him out .

they want , so desperately to believe that the vaccines can create a little safe space for them

they are like children, hiding under the bed from this monster (a mild respiratory virus).

each day that passes they (the bed wetters) become more and more the lunatic fringe

LOL... There's just so much nonsense in this single post that
it's impossible to even try and refute any of the multiple,
absurd claims and childish insults... "bedwetters". How old
are you Aqua?

BTW, could you give us a couple of links that support your claim
that SARS-CoV-2 is nothing more than a "mild" respiratory virus.

I ask this because the virus has killed more than 6,710,000 people
globally and more than 17,300 here in Australia. If you describe
SARS-CoV-2 as mild, then you have no idea of what you're talking
about... as usual.

COVID was Australia’s third most common cause of death in 2022.

These are the numbers for the four most common notifiable diseases in Australia:

COVID-19 = more than 471,000 notifications,
Chlamydia = 86,000 notifications,
Campylobacter = 37,000 notifications,
Varicella zoster = 33,000 notifications.

—Australian Institute of Health and Welfare 2023

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Re: They lied and said the vaccine would protect us
Reply #102 - Jan 7^th, 2023 at 9:34pm

It's pretty clear that despite the bullshit promoted by the rabid
anti-vaxxers on this forum, you are around THREE times more
likely to die if you're unvaccinated.

There is no way that the anti-vaxxers can disprove these accredited
figures—try as they may. It'll probably give us a laugh to see them
try. And if one is in ICU, then death can be imminent.

And April 2022 data from the South Australian government reports
that for every 100,000 cases who are unvaccinated, there is a death
rate of 159.71, compared with a death rate of 50 for every 100,000
cases with three or more doses.

Cool

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Re: They lied and said the vaccine would protect us
Reply #104 - Jan 8^th, 2023 at 12:07am

Just because you label an event or belief a conspiracy theory, it doesn't mean that the theory is not true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY7ohtx4IBs

Is it a conspiracy theory that;

the Australian gov. built a Covid-19 quarantine remand center, costing taxpayers $1.5M per week to run? And, costing $580M to build?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/mickleham-quarantine-centre-costing-taxpayers-1-5m-per-week-to-stay-open-20220721-p5b3eq.html

the Australian gov. wanted to vaccinate all pets in Australia for Covid-19?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10412279/Australia-soon-vaccinating-pets-against-Covid.html

the Australian gov. recommended that severely ill children 6 months to <5 years be vaccinated with this drug? Especially, those children who were immunocompromised and disabled?
https://www.health.gov.au/news/atagi-recommendations-on-covid-19-vaccine-use-in-children-aged-6-months-to

the Australian gov. required Australians to download tracking apps, and required Australian citizens to carry Covid-19 passports and certificates, as proof of their vaccine status? And, to be used in a number of social settings?
https://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/rights-and-freedoms/human-rights-considerati
ons-vaccine-passports-and-certificates

the police did arrest/fine people for NOT wearing mask, walking in parks, sunbaking on the beach, or gathering in small groups? And, that they even arrested a pregnant mother in her home, for organizing an anti-lockdown rally on Facebook?
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/moment-police-arrest-maskless-man-in-sydney-covid19-hotspot/news-story/558f7b3d136ca6fb302312cf0f45643f
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/02/three-men-arrested-ahead-of-planned-anti-lockdown-protest-in-victoria

the Australian gov. closed down its national borders to all overseas travelers, who were not Australian citizens or residents?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/australian-government-moves-to-close-borders-as-new-coronavirus-cases-continue-to-rise

If anyone had told me that any of these events would be happening in Australia 3 years ago, I would've called them all CONSPIRACY THEORISTS!

The only stats about this flu virus we should be focusing on, are the mortality rate(0.1%), and the survivability/recovery rate(99.9%). Everything else is just theatrics, insinuations, inferences, omissions, and fear-mongering. All to give the political optics of a government in control of a pandemic. And, to justify destroying the dreams, hopes, and freedoms of all Australians. And, almost destroying the entire Australian economy.

How could any rational thinking person looking at 10,130,283 confirmed Covid-19cases, and 10,016,828 confirmed Covid-19 recoveries, conclude that this virus is in anyway more virulent than even the Measles?

https://covid-19-au.com/

The government's biggest mistake, was when it started mandating compliance by the public. And later, started to coerce/force compliance by the public. Once voluntary compliance became compulsory compliance or else, people began to do their own research for the truth. And, the hype soon just didn't fit the reality. No matter how many convoluted ways the fear-mongering narrative was spun by the media, over 98% of all Covid-19 victims were still surviving. Vaccinated or not!

People who claim that mRNA vaccines are better at fighting pathogens, than their own immune system, do NOT understand human physiology, or what vaccines actually do. And, people who believe that man can prevent ANY virus from infecting ANYONE, do NOT understand what a virus is or what it does.

So again, other than telling me what a conspiracy theory is, what specifically IS the conspiracy theory about the SARS-CoV-2 virus and Covid-19? The one that "anti-vaxxers are using?

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