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Reply #105 - Jan 8th, 2023 at 1:03am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 9:34pm:
It's pretty clear that despite the bullshit promoted by the rabid
anti-vaxxers on this forum, you are around THREE times more
likely to die if you're unvaccinated.

https://i.postimg.cc/76T1Gsnk/Screenshot-2023-01-07-at-22-12-58-Not-vaccinated-T...

There is no way that the anti-vaxxers can disprove these accredited
figures—try as they may.  It'll probably give us a laugh to see them
try.    And if one is in ICU, then death can be imminent.

And April 2022 data from the South Australian government reports
that for every 100,000 cases who are unvaccinated, there is a death
rate of 159.71, compared with a death rate of 50 for every 100,000
cases with three or more doses.

        Cool


So, does this mean that the deaths of those victims of Covid-19, with UNDER 3 VACCINATIONS were also added in the mix with the unvaccinated? This would be intellectually dishonest. You are artificially inflating the numbers of the true unvaccinated group. Soon, you will be calling those having less than 4 vaccinations, THE UNVACCINATED!


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Reply #106 - Jan 8th, 2023 at 1:33am
 
Carl D wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 9:05am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:40pm:
good article there.

its from the washington post.

we now have articles from the washington post and the new york times confirming vaccine immunity is inferior and that you are more likely to get reinfected if you rely on it.

clearly the bed wetters are doubling down but they are getting little support.

our chief health officers are no longer concerned with covid and advised the PM not to bother testing chinese tourists.

the bed wetters want everyone to believe the chief health officer when he is saying what they want but when he has a different set of facts, they want to call him out .

they want , so deperately to believe that the vaccines can create a little safe spce for them

they are like children, hiding under the bed from this monster (a mild respiratory virus).

each day that passes they (the bed wetters) become more and more the lunatic fringe


Still waiting for someone to call the Australian government and the CHO out on this fact:

INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON ECONOMIC, SOCIAL AND CULTURAL RIGHTS

Australian Treaty Series 1976 No 5

DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

CANBERRA

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

(New York, 16 December 1966)

Entry into force generally: 3 January 1976

Entry into force for Australia: 10 March 1976

AUSTRALIAN TREATY SERIES

1976 No. 5

Australian Government Publishing Service

Canberra

(c) Commonwealth of Australia 1995


Article 12

1. The States Parties to the present Covenant [b]recognize the right of everyone to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health.


2. The steps to be taken by the States Parties to the present Covenant to achieve the full realization of this right shall include those necessary for:

(a) The provision for the reduction of the stillbirth-rate and of infant mortality and for the healthy development of the child;

(b) The improvement of all aspects of environmental and industrial hygiene;

(c) The prevention, treatment and control of epidemic, endemic, occupational and other diseases;

(d) The creation of conditions which would assure to all medical service and medical attention in the event of sickness.[/b]

And probably (d) as well.

Anyone?


I think that Article 12, number 2 is in direct conflict with number 1. By requiring multiple vaccinations and boosters, you are destroying more and more ACE2 receptor sites, and creating a biochemical imbalance. ACE2 receptor sites act as a metabolic counter-balance, to regulate the levels of all circulating ANG II. This molecule will definitely adversely affect the health of the individual. And must be broken down.   

Therefore, number 2 does NOT "..recognize the right of everyone to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health.".

And, the steps that are being taken to stop one disease, may very well be causing other diseases.
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Reply #107 - Jan 8th, 2023 at 7:53am
 
Always a pleasure reading your work shell

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Reply #108 - Jan 8th, 2023 at 10:45am
 
ShellShilo wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 1:33am:
Carl D wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 9:05am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:40pm:
good article there.

its from the washington post.

we now have articles from the washington post and the new york times confirming vaccine immunity is inferior and that you are more likely to get reinfected if you rely on it.

clearly the bed wetters are doubling down but they are getting little support.

our chief health officers are no longer concerned with covid and advised the PM not to bother testing chinese tourists.

the bed wetters want everyone to believe the chief health officer when he is saying what they want but when he has a different set of facts, they want to call him out .

they want , so deperately to believe that the vaccines can create a little safe spce for them

they are like children, hiding under the bed from this monster (a mild respiratory virus).

each day that passes they (the bed wetters) become more and more the lunatic fringe


Still waiting for someone to call the Australian government and the CHO out on this fact:

INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON ECONOMIC, SOCIAL AND CULTURAL RIGHTS

Australian Treaty Series 1976 No 5

DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

CANBERRA

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

(New York, 16 December 1966)

Entry into force generally: 3 January 1976

Entry into force for Australia: 10 March 1976

AUSTRALIAN TREATY SERIES

1976 No. 5

Australian Government Publishing Service

Canberra

(c) Commonwealth of Australia 1995


Article 12

1. The States Parties to the present Covenant [b]recognize the right of everyone to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health.


2. The steps to be taken by the States Parties to the present Covenant to achieve the full realization of this right shall include those necessary for:

(a) The provision for the reduction of the stillbirth-rate and of infant mortality and for the healthy development of the child;

(b) The improvement of all aspects of environmental and industrial hygiene;

(c) The prevention, treatment and control of epidemic, endemic, occupational and other diseases;

(d) The creation of conditions which would assure to all medical service and medical attention in the event of sickness.[/b]

And probably (d) as well.

Anyone?


I think that Article 12, number 2 is in direct conflict with number 1. By requiring multiple vaccinations and boosters, you are destroying more and more ACE2 receptor sites, and creating a biochemical imbalance. ACE2 receptor sites act as a metabolic counter-balance, to regulate the levels of all circulating ANG II. This molecule will definitely adversely affect the health of the individual. And must be broken down.   

Therefore, number 2 does NOT "..recognize the right of everyone to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health.".

And, the steps that are being taken to stop one disease, may very well be causing other diseases.


This view is dependant on believing a group of conspiracy theories.
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Reply #109 - Jan 8th, 2023 at 10:57am
 
And, it isn't just the Federal government ignoring international covenants that we're a signatory to with regards to SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) it would also seem individual States are also ignoring their own Health Acts.

Here's New South Wales as an example:

Public Health Act 2010 No 127

Current version for 4 October 2022 to date.

Part 1 > Section 3

Quote:
3   Objects

        (1)  The objects of this Act are as follows—

            (a)  to promote, protect and improve public health,

            (b)  to control the risks to public health,

            (c)  to promote the control of infectious diseases,

            (d)  to prevent the spread of infectious diseases,

            (e)  to recognise the role of local government in protecting public health.

            (f)  to monitor diseases and conditions affecting public health.

        (2)  The protection of the health and safety of the public is to be the paramount consideration in the exercise of functions under this Act.



I'm sure all other Australian States and Territories would say the same thing in their Health Acts.

But, as long as the majority of the population have never seen or read a Health Act our Federal and State/Territory governments can ignore their obligations regarding Public Health (which has now been replaced with "Personal Responsibility") and continue with their "pandemic is over" deceit.

And, if 200+ Australian Covid deaths every week (271 last week) isn't enough to end this deceit then nothing ever will, unfortunately.

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Reply #110 - Jan 8th, 2023 at 11:11am
 
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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.
 
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Reply #111 - Jan 8th, 2023 at 1:14pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 11:11am:


Hey Sir Nail.

This is for you and our other resident antivaxxers.
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Reply #112 - Jan 8th, 2023 at 1:38pm
 
Carl D wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 1:14pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 11:11am:


Hey Sir Nail.

This is for you and our other resident antivaxxers.


Hey carl. The gig is up and you've been had. Badluck sucker, you took the faucci venom and I didn't Wink
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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.
 
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Reply #113 - Jan 8th, 2023 at 5:08pm
 
Carl D wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 10:57am:
I'm sure all other Australian States and Territories would say the same thing in their Health Acts.

But, as long as the majority of the population have never seen or read a Health Act our Federal and State/Territory governments can ignore their obligations regarding Public Health (which has now been replaced with "Personal Responsibility") and continue with their "pandemic is over" deceit.


This is just an argument from ignorance. You have no idea if the majority of Australians have read, or even understands their state's Health Act. And, even if every man woman and child, has read and understood their government's obligations regarding the Public Health Acts, JUST HOW FAR WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GO IN DRAFTING AND ACTIONING PUBLIC HEALTH POLICIES AND PROTOCOLS? To the letter?

How much of our personal freedoms, liberties, security, privacy, and basic right to happiness, would you be willing to sacrifice for the "greater Good"? Especially, for a disease that is less lethal than the Measles? A disease with a mortality rate of 0.1%?

How many jobs would you be willing to end? How many "non-essential"(??) businesses would you be willing to close down? How many of our job industries would you be willing to destroy? How many vaccinations and boosters would you say would be enough? And, just how long would you be willing to keep Australia isolated from the rest of the world?

What penalties would you impose of those who were not compliant? How would you prevent a virus, that is neither dead or alive, and smaller than the wavelength of visible light, from infecting anyone? Would you become a neoliberal medical fascist? Or, would you have the courage to  challenge medical education orthodoxy, that may be the driving force behind millions of premature deaths?

In the 1,080 days of this "pandemic", the average daily deaths over this period is 16 deaths. This represents only 3% of ALL deaths in Australia per day. 97% of all daily deaths are from other causes. So cherry-picking and highlighting the stats from a specific week, is just being intellectually dishonest. People might think that these stats are the norm, when you omit context. I'm sure that there were weeks where there were much fewer deaths, right? How many cases, and how many recoveries happened during that week?

Also, the average number of daily cases over this pandemic period is 10.4K cases. This means that on any given day, only 0.03% of the Australian population was infected. Or, that 99.3% of the population was NOT infected.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 10:45am:
This view is dependant on believing a group of conspiracy theories.


How do you objectively know that this claim is true? Supposition? Again, what ARE these conspiracy theories that you keep claiming? And, are these conspiracies true or false? And, why?

I believe that our natural immune system is more than capable of protecting us from any serios illness, or even dying from the SARS-CoV-2 virus infection. Before vaccines were available, there was a little over 900 deaths(909). How many deaths today? You're claiming that by taking an artificially-lab-created "counter-measure", indefinitely, that it will protect us in the same way!! This is an extraordinary claim. You now have the burden of proof. 

Again, it is only the mortality and recovery rates that are important in determining the virulency of this virus. NOT THE NUMBER OF CASES! A disease where 99.9% of its victims recover, should not have reached this level of cult status. And, considering that not all of the 99.9% of victims were in the best of health, this would indicate that you might need to be nearly-dead already, to succumb to this virus. IMHO

It is also pure arrogance, to believe that we humans can control and manipulate the basic functions of our own internal systems. Without causing any adverse consequences. We would need to be even MORE arrogant to claim that we can stop a virus from infecting us. One would need to be either profoundly gullible, biologically illiterate, cognitively challenged, or all of the above, to believe either claims.

The only thing worse than having no prior knowledge on this subject, is having just a little! 

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Reply #114 - Jan 8th, 2023 at 5:12pm
 
Carl D wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 1:14pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 11:11am:


Hey Sir Nail.

This is for you and our other resident antivaxxers.


You do realize that doctors can't cure anything. It is the body that cures and heals itself. Doctors can only at best ASSIST in the body's own healing process.
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Reply #115 - Jan 8th, 2023 at 5:38pm
 
doctors and hospitals run a "sick care ' system and they should stop calling it health care

its great if you are in a car accident or need a stent for a heart attack or your appendix taken out.

but for 90 % of interactions people have , we are looking at chronic disease and the sick care system has very little to offer these people.

you can have the government subsidise extremely expensive cholesterol drugs and diabetes drugs and blood pressure drugs but you are painting over rust.

if people dont eat a good diet (no porcessed foods)
exercise ( 20,000 steps a day  , like everyone walked a century ago)
and get a good nights sleep

then they are going to get a chronic disease and big pharma and the doctors and the system are going to farm them the way i farm cows.

you are just another chode to make a profit off.

mcdonalds in nearly every hospital in america
gyms and beaches and national parks closed for lockdowns but
bottle shops and donut shops kept open.

once you realise that the system and the politicians care nought for your health you might just adopt some personal responsibility

carl sees this as a dirty word

he thinks albo and pfizer are going to look after his health from cradle to grave

if you think that you need a psychiatrist
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