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Reply #75 - Jan 8th, 2023 at 6:08pm
 
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The rethuglicans have finally got the speakership but the trump fans weren't happy until they neutered him first
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Reply #76 - Jan 8th, 2023 at 6:11pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 6:47am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 11:19pm:
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McCarthy wins - Gaetz & Boebert lose


Not sure anyone has won here.

McCarthy is the speaker but there are 200 wonky rethuglicans all squeezing his balls and he cannot make a decision that even one of them disagree with.

I doubt that they would be able to agree on the brand of toilet paper to buy for the house toilets.


Indeed.

And those balls are stored at Mar-a-Lago.



Maybe they are pumping seamen into her fallopian tubes
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Reply #77 - Jan 8th, 2023 at 6:15pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 6:08pm:
Grin Grin Grin

The rethuglicans have finally got the speakership but the trump fans weren't happy until they neutered him first


They seem to not understand that they are trying their best to keep themselves out of power for the next decade.
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Reply #78 - Jan 12th, 2023 at 6:46am
 
A Republican lesson in democracy’s glorious mess
For a brief few days, congress became a debating chamber rather than the preening chamber Americans are used to


Far from being an embarrassment, the four days it took Republicans to work out who would be the next Speaker of the US House of Representatives provided a glimpse into how parliaments should function.

For a brief few days, congress became a debating chamber rather than the preening chamber Americans are used to, where speeches are crafted for the nightly news and social media rather than in any genuine attempt to convince the other side. The congress no longer was a costly rubber stamp for the secret deliberations of political parties after 20 renegade Republicans demanded substantive changes to congressional rules before they would vote for Kevin McCarthy – and succeeded.

But the mainstream media was incandescent with condemnation, slamming the “chaos”, the “humiliation”, the “extremism”, where in fact there was none. Perhaps many prefer the governance model of the Chinese Communist Party or the old ruling Soviet party where there was no public infighting – and if there was, protagonists soon would be in prison.

For a fleeting moment half the congress became a chamber of individuals, as it was meant to be, rather than a taxpayer-funded battleground stage for two warring political factions.

Far from celebrating party discipline, George Washington, James Madison and other pioneers of the American experiment had warned against the dangers of all-powerful factions, which would ride roughshod over the spirit and letter of the US constitution. In 1787 in The Federalist Papers, Madison, later the fourth US president, railed against the “dangerous vice” of “overbearing majorities” that would kneecap members’ freedom to vote how they saw fit.

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In any case, the 55 pages of rules approved by the new Republican majority are a dramatic improvement on the old ones, which had centralised power in the Speaker’s office. Under the new system members of congress will have at least 72 hours to consider new bills before being required to vote on them, and each bill will need to be related to a single subject.

This hardly seems revolutionary until one considers the norm under former Democrat speaker Nancy Pelosi. The last budget bill pushed through congress ran to 4155 pages and $US1.7 trillion ($2.4 trillion) and teemed with boondoggles and waste. Not a single member had a clue what they were voting for, just as the governing party leadership intended.
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Further, individual members will be able to call for a spill vote to depose the Speaker, the way it had been from the 18th century until 2019, when Pelosi had changed the rules to make it much harder. A weakened Speaker or an empowerment of members and the citizens who voted for them?

Adam Creighton


But the grimacing, unmoored, grotesque Slovenian content farmers, pakis, sages, ducks and fathead here saw none of that. They only saw Trump.
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Reply #79 - Jan 12th, 2023 at 1:27pm
 
Go back to Denmark, Soren, it is where you'd be happiest, amongst all your fellow Danes, where you can hate as much as you like...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #80 - Jan 12th, 2023 at 2:07pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2023 at 6:46am:
A Republican lesson in democracy’s glorious mess
For a brief few days, congress became a debating chamber rather than the preening chamber Americans are used to


Far from being an embarrassment, the four days it took Republicans to work out who would be the next Speaker of the US House of Representatives provided a glimpse into how parliaments should function.

For a brief few days, congress became a debating chamber rather than the preening chamber Americans are used to, where speeches are crafted for the nightly news and social media rather than in any genuine attempt to convince the other side. The congress no longer was a costly rubber stamp for the secret deliberations of political parties after 20 renegade Republicans demanded substantive changes to congressional rules before they would vote for Kevin McCarthy – and succeeded.

But the mainstream media was incandescent with condemnation, slamming the “chaos”, the “humiliation”, the “extremism”, where in fact there was none. Perhaps many prefer the governance model of the Chinese Communist Party or the old ruling Soviet party where there was no public infighting – and if there was, protagonists soon would be in prison.

For a fleeting moment half the congress became a chamber of individuals, as it was meant to be, rather than a taxpayer-funded battleground stage for two warring political factions.

Far from celebrating party discipline, George Washington, James Madison and other pioneers of the American experiment had warned against the dangers of all-powerful factions, which would ride roughshod over the spirit and letter of the US constitution. In 1787 in The Federalist Papers, Madison, later the fourth US president, railed against the “dangerous vice” of “overbearing majorities” that would kneecap members’ freedom to vote how they saw fit.

...
In any case, the 55 pages of rules approved by the new Republican majority are a dramatic improvement on the old ones, which had centralised power in the Speaker’s office. Under the new system members of congress will have at least 72 hours to consider new bills before being required to vote on them, and each bill will need to be related to a single subject.

This hardly seems revolutionary until one considers the norm under former Democrat speaker Nancy Pelosi. The last budget bill pushed through congress ran to 4155 pages and $US1.7 trillion ($2.4 trillion) and teemed with boondoggles and waste. Not a single member had a clue what they were voting for, just as the governing party leadership intended.
...
Further, individual members will be able to call for a spill vote to depose the Speaker, the way it had been from the 18th century until 2019, when Pelosi had changed the rules to make it much harder. A weakened Speaker or an empowerment of members and the citizens who voted for them?

Adam Creighton


But the grimacing, unmoored, grotesque Slovenian content farmers, pakis, sages, ducks and fathead here saw none of that. They only saw Trump.


Yes, old boy, I see what you mean. To a party that would nominate an unelected, one-term ex-prez as House speaker, that would seem like democracy.

To a party branch-stacked with allegiance, not to any particular platform or values, but to a man who's most recent "big announcement" was the release of online trading cards of himself as an entrepreneur, cowboy, spaceman and laser-eyed superhero, yes. It would seem like democracy.

To a party that espouses causes such as QAnon, the Big Steal, White Nationalism and Great Replacement Theory, just so. It would seem like democracy. But do you know?

To the rest of us, it just shows why the party once known as the GOP is destined to remain the obstructionist, oppositional and ultimately ungovernable leadership cult they've become. Democracy's glorious mess?

Good luck with that, Kevin. Putin and Xi will be having a jolly old chuckle.

We will Make America Great Again, no?
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Reply #81 - Jan 12th, 2023 at 9:02pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 12th, 2023 at 2:07pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2023 at 6:46am:
A Republican lesson in democracy’s glorious mess
For a brief few days, congress became a debating chamber rather than the preening chamber Americans are used to


Far from being an embarrassment, the four days it took Republicans to work out who would be the next Speaker of the US House of Representatives provided a glimpse into how parliaments should function.

For a brief few days, congress became a debating chamber rather than the preening chamber Americans are used to, where speeches are crafted for the nightly news and social media rather than in any genuine attempt to convince the other side. The congress no longer was a costly rubber stamp for the secret deliberations of political parties after 20 renegade Republicans demanded substantive changes to congressional rules before they would vote for Kevin McCarthy – and succeeded.

But the mainstream media was incandescent with condemnation, slamming the “chaos”, the “humiliation”, the “extremism”, where in fact there was none. Perhaps many prefer the governance model of the Chinese Communist Party or the old ruling Soviet party where there was no public infighting – and if there was, protagonists soon would be in prison.

For a fleeting moment half the congress became a chamber of individuals, as it was meant to be, rather than a taxpayer-funded battleground stage for two warring political factions.

Far from celebrating party discipline, George Washington, James Madison and other pioneers of the American experiment had warned against the dangers of all-powerful factions, which would ride roughshod over the spirit and letter of the US constitution. In 1787 in The Federalist Papers, Madison, later the fourth US president, railed against the “dangerous vice” of “overbearing majorities” that would kneecap members’ freedom to vote how they saw fit.

...
In any case, the 55 pages of rules approved by the new Republican majority are a dramatic improvement on the old ones, which had centralised power in the Speaker’s office. Under the new system members of congress will have at least 72 hours to consider new bills before being required to vote on them, and each bill will need to be related to a single subject.

This hardly seems revolutionary until one considers the norm under former Democrat speaker Nancy Pelosi. The last budget bill pushed through congress ran to 4155 pages and $US1.7 trillion ($2.4 trillion) and teemed with boondoggles and waste. Not a single member had a clue what they were voting for, just as the governing party leadership intended.
...
Further, individual members will be able to call for a spill vote to depose the Speaker, the way it had been from the 18th century until 2019, when Pelosi had changed the rules to make it much harder. A weakened Speaker or an empowerment of members and the citizens who voted for them?

Adam Creighton


But the grimacing, unmoored, grotesque Slovenian content farmers, pakis, sages, ducks and fathead here saw none of that. They only saw Trump.


Yes, old boy, I see what you mean. To a party that would nominate an unelected, one-term ex-prez as House speaker, that would seem like democracy.

To a party branch-stacked with allegiance, not to any particular platform or values, but to a man who's most recent "big announcement" was the release of online trading cards of himself as an entrepreneur, cowboy, spaceman and laser-eyed superhero, yes. It would seem like democracy.

To a party that espouses causes such as QAnon, the Big Steal, White Nationalism and Great Replacement Theory, just so. It would seem like democracy. But do you know?

To the rest of us, it just shows why the party once known as the GOP is destined to remain the obstructionist, oppositional and ultimately ungovernable leadership cult they've become. Democracy's glorious mess?

Good luck with that, Kevin. Putin and Xi will be having a jolly old chuckle.

We will Make America Great Again, no?

Focus, pb.

The loathing for Donald Trump across the political spectrum stemmed mainly from his personal popularity, a huge threat to the established political machinery in Washington. In any case, the 55 pages of rules approved by the new Republican majority are a dramatic improvement on the old ones, which had centralised power in the Speaker’s office. Under the new system members of congress will have at least 72 hours to consider new bills before being required to vote on them, and each bill will need to be related to a single subject.

This hardly seems revolutionary until one considers the norm under former Democrat speaker Nancy Pelosi. The last budget bill pushed through congress ran to 4155 pages and $US1.7 trillion ($2.4 trillion) and teemed with boondoggles and waste. Not a single member had a clue what they were voting for, just as the governing party leadership intended.
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Reply #82 - Jan 12th, 2023 at 9:09pm
 
“To have read the entire bill, you would’ve needed to read 4+ pages per minute, without a single break, for 16 hours straight,” Republican congressman Dan Bishop tweeted at the time.

The law included $US525m to fix structural racism; $US200m for a gender equity fund, $US7.5m to understand the domestic radicalisation agenda, $US3m for bee-friendly highways, $US108m for environmental justice, $US8.6m for Pentagon gender adviser programs, and $US3.6m for a Michelle Obama Walking Trail in Georgia, to name just a handful of the hundreds of earmarks and political bribes that made Australia’s budget process appear a model of probity and restraint.

Further, individual members will be able to call for a spill vote to depose the Speaker, the way it had been from the 18th century until 2019, when Pelosi had changed the rules to make it much harder. A weakened Speaker or an empowerment of members and the citizens who voted for them?

Republicans also revived the Holman rule, in place for much of the time between 1876 to 1983, whereby the house could sack or alter the salary of specific bureaucrats, no doubt a concern for the small army of diversity and inclusion officers scattered throughout the vast US bureaucracy.

Last week the GOP revealed itself to be a more dynamic, flexible political party than the Democrats, for whom iron-clad uniformity remained the order of the day. Two hundred and twelve Democrat votes were furnished in every one of the 15 votes for Speaker, for the same candidate, day after day. Even the so-called Squad of far-left Democrats, including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who talks the big talk outside the chamber, voted in lock-step with the party leadership for centrist Hakeem Jeffries, the party’s new house leader.

Rule changes don’t guarantee legislative success for Republicans, especially given the Senate remains Democrat-controlled. But they will slash the volume of new legislation, which can only be a good thing in a nation drowning in rules and regulations. As Roman historian Tacitus said, the more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state.
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Reply #83 - Jan 12th, 2023 at 9:23pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2023 at 9:02pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 12th, 2023 at 2:07pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2023 at 6:46am:
A Republican lesson in democracy’s glorious mess
For a brief few days, congress became a debating chamber rather than the preening chamber Americans are used to


Far from being an embarrassment, the four days it took Republicans to work out who would be the next Speaker of the US House of Representatives provided a glimpse into how parliaments should function.

For a brief few days, congress became a debating chamber rather than the preening chamber Americans are used to, where speeches are crafted for the nightly news and social media rather than in any genuine attempt to convince the other side. The congress no longer was a costly rubber stamp for the secret deliberations of political parties after 20 renegade Republicans demanded substantive changes to congressional rules before they would vote for Kevin McCarthy – and succeeded.

But the mainstream media was incandescent with condemnation, slamming the “chaos”, the “humiliation”, the “extremism”, where in fact there was none. Perhaps many prefer the governance model of the Chinese Communist Party or the old ruling Soviet party where there was no public infighting – and if there was, protagonists soon would be in prison.

For a fleeting moment half the congress became a chamber of individuals, as it was meant to be, rather than a taxpayer-funded battleground stage for two warring political factions.

Far from celebrating party discipline, George Washington, James Madison and other pioneers of the American experiment had warned against the dangers of all-powerful factions, which would ride roughshod over the spirit and letter of the US constitution. In 1787 in The Federalist Papers, Madison, later the fourth US president, railed against the “dangerous vice” of “overbearing majorities” that would kneecap members’ freedom to vote how they saw fit.

...
In any case, the 55 pages of rules approved by the new Republican majority are a dramatic improvement on the old ones, which had centralised power in the Speaker’s office. Under the new system members of congress will have at least 72 hours to consider new bills before being required to vote on them, and each bill will need to be related to a single subject.

This hardly seems revolutionary until one considers the norm under former Democrat speaker Nancy Pelosi. The last budget bill pushed through congress ran to 4155 pages and $US1.7 trillion ($2.4 trillion) and teemed with boondoggles and waste. Not a single member had a clue what they were voting for, just as the governing party leadership intended.
...
Further, individual members will be able to call for a spill vote to depose the Speaker, the way it had been from the 18th century until 2019, when Pelosi had changed the rules to make it much harder. A weakened Speaker or an empowerment of members and the citizens who voted for them?

Adam Creighton


But the grimacing, unmoored, grotesque Slovenian content farmers, pakis, sages, ducks and fathead here saw none of that. They only saw Trump.


Yes, old boy, I see what you mean. To a party that would nominate an unelected, one-term ex-prez as House speaker, that would seem like democracy.

To a party branch-stacked with allegiance, not to any particular platform or values, but to a man who's most recent "big announcement" was the release of online trading cards of himself as an entrepreneur, cowboy, spaceman and laser-eyed superhero, yes. It would seem like democracy.

To a party that espouses causes such as QAnon, the Big Steal, White Nationalism and Great Replacement Theory, just so. It would seem like democracy. But do you know?

To the rest of us, it just shows why the party once known as the GOP is destined to remain the obstructionist, oppositional and ultimately ungovernable leadership cult they've become. Democracy's glorious mess?

Good luck with that, Kevin. Putin and Xi will be having a jolly old chuckle.

We will Make America Great Again, no?

Focus, pb.

The loathing for Donald Trump across the political spectrum stemmed mainly from his personal popularity, a huge threat to the established political machinery in Washington. In any case, the 55 pages of rules approved by the new Republican majority are a dramatic improvement on the old ones, which had centralised power in the Speaker’s office. Under the new system members of congress will have at least 72 hours to consider new bills before being required to vote on them, and each bill will need to be related to a single subject.

This hardly seems revolutionary until one considers the norm under former Democrat speaker Nancy Pelosi. The last budget bill pushed through congress ran to 4155 pages and $US1.7 trillion ($2.4 trillion) and teemed with boondoggles and waste. Not a single member had a clue what they were voting for, just as the governing party leadership intended.


I see. The previous federal budget was $6.6 trillion. Would you care to convert that to krone?

Focus, DB, ja?

Cheers.
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Reply #84 - Jan 12th, 2023 at 9:29pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2023 at 9:02pm:
The loathing for Donald Trump across the political spectrum stemmed mainly from his personal popularity, ...


Popularity?   Grin

The most unpopular president in US history.

Lost the popular vote - twice!

Received one vote for the job of House Speaker.  One.

But enough about the past, what about now?

Trump’s Approval Rating Lowest Since 2015 As Popularity With GOP Plunges, Poll Finds

"Former President Donald Trump is now the least popular with voters that he’s been since his first fateful ride down the escalator in the early days of his first presidential campaign, a new Quinnipiac University poll finds, as Republican and independent voters have grown increasingly discontented with the ex-president as he launches a new presidential run and comes under legal scrutiny."

Mr Popularity   Grin

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Reply #85 - Jan 12th, 2023 at 9:37pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2023 at 9:02pm:
The loathing for Donald Trump across the political spectrum stemmed mainly from his personal popularity, ...


Wrong.

It stemmed mainly from the fact that he was never a fit person for the office of President.

Even President of the Dubbo Donkey owners club.
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Reply #86 - Jan 13th, 2023 at 12:02am
 
Focus, PB.

Trump Is Officially the Least Popular President Ever Polled


Just days after becoming the first president to be impeached twice, Trump on Monday became the least popular president Gallup has ever polled. Trump finished his term with an approval rating of 34 percent, Gallup announced, bringing his four-year polling average down to 41 percent, four points lower than any of his predecessors dating back to 1938. He’s also the only president to fail to register an approval rating of at least 50 percent at any point in his tenure.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-final-gallup-poll-leas...
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Reply #87 - Jan 13th, 2023 at 8:45am
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 12th, 2023 at 9:23pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2023 at 9:02pm:
This hardly seems revolutionary until one considers the norm under former Democrat speaker Nancy Pelosi. The last budget
bill
pushed through congress ran to 4155 pages and $US1.7 trillion ($2.4 trillion) and teemed with boondoggles and waste. Not a single member had a clue what they were voting for, just as the governing party leadership intended.


I see. The previous federal budget was $6.6 trillion. Would you care to convert that to krone?

Focus, DB, ja?

Cheers.


Focus those rheumatic eyes and rancour-rotted mind, wee pb:

A single budget bill of 4155 pages unread and ununderstood by the entire voting body of Congress, pb, not the entire budget.


Are you actually in favour of such a practice just because it was Pelosi's wheeze?




Look over there, pb - TRUMP!
Hahahahahaha! Made you shite your pants!!

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