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Re: Smart and humane versus hateful and toxic
Reply #225 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 9:02am

A friendly reminder to all - please consider your health and wellbeing before responding to the insanity posted by long term global cyber junkie trolls like Methra or Frodo.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

Ignore Frodo! He never finished primary school. Nor has he held a proper job in his entire life!

A child who has autism OR ANY medical diagnosis for that matter needs to be treated appropriately so as to ensure they are not taken advantage of. Only a cold callous human being would pretend or carry on as though that diagnosis doesn't exist or is irrelevant.

Exhibit 1 - Frodo

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it's your mob that keeps raising her autism as if it's relevant

Note : We will all have to excuse Frodo who loves using Aboriginal terms like YOUR MOB to describe groupings within OzPol.

Exhibit 2 - Methra <--- In her case please refer back to pages and pages of utter gastric BS most of which the moron operating the Methra ID has once again googled out of context.

Note : Groggy would have been Exhibit 3 but he's STILL waiting for permission by Methra to enter this topic. And he's not yet been told what he's allowed to post by Methra. So just to be sure let's pencil him in as Exhibit 3. For now.

Back to the topic ... it's extremely relevant and important that a person's capacity is noted. Even at law people with autism OR any brain or mind linked disability are protected/treated differently in order to ensure they stay SAFE! Note : congenital or acquired neurological issues accompany mental health issues. It's not a case of either/or. These interact and mutually affect behaviour patterns and how to process information etc.

Bottom line? The REAL hateful and toxic individuals in this topic are those who have demonstrated a total disregard and disrespect for children. Children are a well recognised vulnerable group within our society. For this reason our governments have Child Protection mechanisms and safety nets in place covering all 3 levels of govt.

Children WITH disabilities/diagnoses etc .... even more so. In fact, particular legislations exist in addition to case law precedents which serve to ensure that all children remain protected irrespective of who they are and irrespective of what particular disabilities they may have. In short...systemic protections exist in order to promote equity.

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Reply #226 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 9:37am

mothra wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 6:56am:

Frank wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 6:53am:

mothra wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 6:47am:

Belgarion wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 8:05pm:

Her autism is raised in the context of the exploitation of a mentally ill child by those who wanted a medium for their propaganda.

Who exploited her?

If you knew enough to give validity to the vehemence of your criticism, you'd know nobody, absolutely nobody exploited her.

Her parents were opposed to activism and only relented when they saw the drastic improvement in Greta when she became active.

And absolutely everything Greta says is peer reviewed scientific consensus.

Bollocks.

Not going to school does absolutely nothing for atmospheric CO2, endangered species, market regulation, kids' futures etc.

You've zero imagination, have you.

Greta has moved mountains for climate science and the advocacy of it. More than just about any other.

And she is loved.

And doesn't it just give you the screaming irrits.

So where is the peer reviewed scientific consensus on the efficacy of skolstrejk för klimate? After all it was YOUR claim, not mine, that 'absolutely everything' she says is grounded so.

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Reply #227 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 10:17am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 1:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 12:50pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 12:31pm:

Net worth $1m ....

Funny..... the guy we all agree is a POS is worth $700 million (according to google).

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what has she actually achieved with all this kid grandstanding that plays so well to a supine media?

All 193 nations signed up to Paris (zero carbon emissions by 2050) .

Problems for the capitalist free market, and end of days for the fossil-energy price gougers.

China didn't. Funny how you conveniently omitted that. Not. 😐

I already explained to you that China and India , the developing Asian giants who are still confronted with eradicating poverty - 700 million in relative poverty in China's case, owing to the massive advances achieved by the CCP in the last 4 decades, cf 700 million still in absolute poverty in India's case, owing to the inferiority of democratic free market capitalism in India cf, the combined "socialist' planning and free market capitalism in China - have committed to 2060, a decade later than 2050. Reasonable. given the huge task for those two most populous countries. cf minnows like Oz who could easily transition to 100% renewables by 2040.

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Reply #228 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 10:30am

Frank wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 9:37am:

So where is the peer reviewed scientific consensus on the efficacy of skolstrejk för klimate? After all it was YOUR claim, not mine, that 'absolutely everything' she says is grounded so.

The "efficacy" of climate activism which supports the 'peer reviewed scientific consensus on AGW" does not itself need to be peer reviewed.

And Greta's 'strike for climate' spread all around the world among school children and young people - an amazing example of successful climate activism.

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Reply #229 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 10:35am

If Greta had finished school she may have been exposed to wonderful books such as the art of war
Stephen covey the 7 habits of highly effective people or even Napoleon Hills how to win Friends and influence people

She seems as the environmental princess to be dedicated to saving the planet

If she was truly wise instead of a precocious brat

She would understand that India and China are the keys to reducing global emissions
Almost to the point that they are the only game in town

And yet she goes on Twitter and insults president xi and tells China and India they have to bear the burden of reducing emissions and to lift their game

Xi fires back that Greta is becoming a bit of a chubba
She shames him so he shames her rather marshmallow ish body
And suddenly a flame war is on

If perhaps Greta could give up a week of activism
And read Stephen covey she would understand that the number one rule
Is to seek first to understand before asking to be understood

When xi s trying to lift people out of poverty

And a precocious autistic teenager is weaponizing the do-gooder lefties against him
It goes to show how little they are interested in an outcome

And how much they are just interested in remaining in their own low vibration energy
Negative toxic egotistical histrionik frustrated discontent

It would be better for the climate if Elon closed her account

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Reply #230 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 10:35am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 8:56am:

Belgarion wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 7:29am:

We are seeing the cunning of the environazi tactics in this very forum, with the deranged defence of the child prophet by the likes of Mothra and Smith. Roll Eyes

Both these unemployed cyber junkie trolls are deranged. That's why their tactics are deranged. Neither have a clue about what they're posting...just out of context googled sentences thrown here and there often echoing each other's nonsense driven rants.

No, rather the blindly self-interested RW deplorables/rednecks - all ego and no conscience - cannot confront the coming destruction of their cherished greedy form of free market capitalism.

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Reply #231 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 10:37am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 10:30am:

Frank wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 9:37am:

So where is the peer reviewed scientific consensus on the efficacy of skolstrejk för klimate? After all it was YOUR claim, not mine, that 'absolutely everything' she says is grounded so.

The "efficacy" of climate activism which supports the 'peer reviewed scientific consensus on AGW" does not itself need to be peer reviewed.

And Greta's 'strike for climate' spread all around the world among school children and young people - an amazing example of successful climate activism.

In the West we call this preaching to the converted
It's basically BS

It's no different to saying how wonderful Trump is when he is addressing a Trump rally

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Reply #232 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 11:08am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 10:35am:

If Greta had finished school she may have been exposed to wonderful books such as the art of warStephen covey the 7 habits of highly effective people or even Napoleon Hills how to win Friends and influence people

Except Greta started by herself the 'strike for climate' on Fridays revolution that spread all around the world...and you are asking her to learn how to influence people? Blimey.....she was invited to speak to the UNGA.

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She seems as the environmental princess to be dedicated to saving the planet

And such remarks relegate you to the category of unitelligent "redneck deplorables".

She is merely advocating for what scientists have already examined ie AGW, and what is required to "save the planet". Stop being envious of her celebrity status (cf the other POS who lost out in a confrontation with her. .

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If she was truly wise instead of a precocious brat

coming from a Rush Limbaugh nut job like you....don't worry about conscience/fairness, just go for your own "success" (read: money maximization), don't let the evil "socialists" drag you down, the poor deserve to be poor. etc etc.

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She would understand that India and China are the keys to reducing global emissions
Almost to the point that they are the only game in town

Read my previous post to Lisa, above.

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And yet she goes on Twitter and insults president xi and tells China and India they have to bear the burden of reducing emissions and to lift their game

And that's what you are saying, no?

Fact is every nation has a HUGE task to close filthy fossils

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Xi that Greta is becoming a bit of a chubba
She shames him so he shames her rather marshmallow ish body And suddenly a flame war is on

So Greta doesn't understand the points I made to Lisa? Quite probably. China is already the world's largest producer of renewable energy.

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If perhaps Greta could give up a week of activism
And read Stephen covey she would understand that the number one rule
Is to seek first to understand before asking to be understood

Coming from an individual rights before/above collective wellbeing ideologue like yourself, laughable.

See the thread on Delusions of Western Classical Liberalism.

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When xi s trying to lift people out of poverty

That's right, China will have to keep burning coal for some time until most are in the middle class, because coal is still the cheapest means to base load energy. The rich 1st world doesn't have that constraint.

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And a precocious autistic teenager is weaponizing the do-gooder lefties against him
It goes to show how little they are interested in an outcome

You sticking up for Xi......funny.....but thanks for your understanding, perhaps you can explain it to Lisa.

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And how much they are just interested in remaining in their own low vibration energy
Negative toxic egotistical histrionik frustrated discontent

Ah.. still the delusion of all that exclusivist/exceptionalist crap. We are not all Einsteins, or Miss Universes, yet we all have something to contribute.

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It would be better for the climate if Elon closed her account

Free speech, ain't it..

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 85137 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Smart and humane versus hateful and toxic Reply #233 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 11:11am School strike for the climate... everybody adores the little darlings making themselves relevant and feeling virtuous.... but it achieved nothing but helped set yet another generation on the wrong track. Another emotion-driven fact free zone.
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Reply #234 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 11:21am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 11:11am:

School strike for the climate... everybody adores the little darlings making themselves relevant and feeling virtuous.... but it achieved nothing but helped set yet another generation on the wrong track.

Another emotion-driven fact free zone.

Not according to the scientists contributing to the IPCC...and the UN.

For once I'm pleased to see the majority position winning.....

Today on the radio "Europe just had its hottest summer on record" ....you lose.

That's why Albo was elected, of course, with the support of climate independents, after a decade of coalition dithering.

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Reply #235 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 11:30am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 9:08pm:

"Smart and humane versus hateful and toxic"

👆 This topic heading has been staring at us for days and our conscience has failed to pick up its irony or the challenge to undertake some measure of introspection.

The topic heading is actually correct; and Greta is on the side of those promoting a new green sustainable economy for planet earth, versus the toxic POS on the side of the filthy (literally) toxic fossil price gougers.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 85137 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Smart and humane versus hateful and toxic Reply #236 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 11:48am But regional weather fluctuations have nothing to do with climate change..... that's the correct mantra, isn't it? YOU lose again.... ideologues steeped in theoretical pseudo-science always do. Go back to school.
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Reply #237 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 11:49am

What has a weather glitch in Europe got to do with the efficacy of the school strike fantasy?

Your mind truly makes some odd connections...... Greta 's strike created the proof of its own merit by producing a change in the weather.. must've been all the hot air.....

You need to get your thinking checked...... it's in the schoolyard...

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Reply #238 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 11:51am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 11:30am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 9:08pm:

"Smart and humane versus hateful and toxic"

👆 This topic heading has been staring at us for days and our conscience has failed to pick up its irony or the challenge to undertake some measure of introspection.

The topic heading is actually correct; and Greta is on the side of those promoting a new green sustainable economy for planet earth, versus the toxic POS on the side of the filthy (literally) toxic fossil price gougers.

One moment of being correct proves the rule of generally being wrong... taking two polar opposites and saying that is the norm is an absurdity. Grin

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Reply #239 - Jan 11^th, 2023 at 1:15pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 11:30am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 9:08pm:

"Smart and humane versus hateful and toxic"

👆 This topic heading has been staring at us for days and our conscience has failed to pick up its irony or the challenge to undertake some measure of introspection.

The topic heading is actually correct; and Greta is on the side of those promoting a new green sustainable economy for planet earth, versus the toxic POS on the side of the filthy (literally) toxic fossil price gougers.

One moment of being correct proves the rule of generally being wrong...

Greta, on the side of science and a green economy; Tate, a fossil-loving loser...

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taking two polar opposites and saying that is the norm is an absurdity. Grin

What is being said is the "polar opposites" - namely Greta and Tate - are a good example of smart versus toxic, nothing about a 'norm' (whereas the delusions of classical liberalism ARE still very 'normal').

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