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Reply #315 - Jan 17th, 2023 at 12:19pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 11th, 2023 at 8:23pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2023 at 8:17pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 11th, 2023 at 7:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 11th, 2023 at 7:38pm:
No surprise turdie tries to play the mental card




Don't breed, you dribbling downer.

In an emotional account, Malena Ernman describes how her daughter came to be diagnosed with autism, and how activism helped her overcome an eating disorder.


“She was slowly disappearing into some kind of darkness,” Ernman says. “She stopped playing the piano. She stopped laughing. She stopped talking. And she stopped eating.”
She lost 10kg in two months and was on the verge of being admitted to hospital before turning a corner.

Thunberg was assessed by psychiatrists and diagnosed with “high-functioning” autism, which Ernman describes as Asperger’s, as well as obsessive compulsive disorder.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/feb/22/greta-thunberg-mother-she-st...




And absolutely none of that has anything to do with her arguments against global warming.  You had ample opportunity to argue the science she uses but instead you try to focus on her autism as if it's relevant to the debate. 
Nevermind turdie,  if I had to pick 3 people on this forum to be scummy enough to try and make an issue of her autism,  you were always going to be my first pick. Being scimmy is about what I've come to expect from you. The reality sad part is that you actually have a young daughter.


Total comprehension fail from the dribbling
retard.


DO NOT BREED

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Actually you raise an interesting FACT about Frodo Abo Smith.

Notice how the ONLY person in this topic who chronically KEEPS mentioning the word/s AUTISM/AUTISTIC is Frodo himself?? It's (clearly) an issue he is personally struggling with.






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Reply #316 - Jan 17th, 2023 at 1:03pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 17th, 2023 at 12:09pm:
I disagree. He's clearly an exponent of his wet dreams.


80% renewables in Oz in a decade would be a pushover, if the conflicted private sector players who want to maintain their fat fossil profits would get out of the way.

Nationalization will fix 'em.
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Reply #318 - Jan 20th, 2023 at 8:04pm
 
What climate crisis?
Past warming has never been driven by an increase in carbon dioxide
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For more than 80 per cent of time, Earth has been a warm wet greenhouse planet with no ice. We live in unusual times, when ice occurs on continents. This did not happen overnight. The great southern continent, Gondwanaland, formed about 550 million years ago. It occupied 20 per cent of the area of our planet and included Antarctica, South America, Australia, South Africa and the Indian subcontinent. Gondwanaland was covered by ice when it drifted across the South Pole 360-255 million years ago. Evidence for this ice age is in the black coal districts of Australia, South Africa and India.

The breakup of Gondwanaland started about 180 million years ago. About 140-120 million years ago, Australia was joined to Antarctica and enjoyed a temperate climate, had alpine glaciers that shed icebergs into warm seas and plant and animal adaptations evolved to cope with the long periods of winter darkness.

If Antarctica is to lose its ice sheets to end the current ice age, plate tectonics must move the continent northwards or fragment Antarctica into smaller land masses. Parts of Antarctica are currently being fragmented which is why there are more than 150 hot spots and volcanoes in rift valleys beneath Antarctic ice. Plate tectonics must also widen the Bering Strait to allow more warm Pacific Ocean water to enter and warm the Arctic.

Australia separated from Antarctica 100 million years ago and continues to move northwards at 7 centimetres per year. The current ice age started when South America separated from Antarctica some 34 million years ago. Plate tectonics isolated Antarctica after South America had moved northwards and the Drake Passage formed. Circum-polar currents formed and prevented warm, southward-moving water from reaching Antarctica. As a result, the Antarctic ice sheets formed.

Arctic ice formed 2.5 million years ago when plate tectonic-driven volcanoes in central America joined North America to South America and stopped Pacific and Atlantic Ocean waters from mixing. This was exacerbated by a supernova explosion that bombarded Earth with cosmic particles to produce cloudiness and cooling.

The Earth has been slowly cooling for the last 50 million years from times when life thrived and rapidly diversified. In these warmer times, there were no mass extinctions due to natural warming and, if the planet is warming today, the past shows us that life will thrive and diversify even more.

Once the Antarctic ice formed, ice sheets waxed and waned depending on whether Earth was closer or more distant from the Sun. Within these cycles there were smaller cycles driven by variations in energy emitted from the Sun producing many short warm spikes during long glaciations and very short cold spikes during short interglacials with average temperature rises and falls of more than 10°C a decade.

On a scale of tens of millions of years or more, the Earth’s climate is driven by plate tectonics. On a scale of hundreds of thousands of years, the Earth’s climate is driven by orbital cycles which bring Earth closer to or more distant from the Sun. On a scale of thousands of years to decades, the Earth’s climate is driven by variations in energy emitted from the Sun.

If governments, the UN or climate activists want to stop the normal planetary process of climate change, then they need to stop plate tectonics, stop variations in the Earth’s orbit and stop variations in solar output. Even the omnipotent, omnipresent Kevin Rudd couldn’t manage this!

No past warming events have been driven by an increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. No past cooling events were driven by a decrease in atmospheric carbon dioxide. Six of the six most recent ice ages were initiated when the Earth’s atmospheric carbon dioxide was far higher than at present. Atmospheric temperature rise occurs before the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere rises. It has never been proven that human emissions of carbon dioxide drive global warming despite numerous requests to climate activist scientists for the published evidence. Trillion-dollar bankrupting decisions on energy policy are being made using invalid science.

The peak of the last orbitally-driven interglacial was 7,000 to 4,000 years ago and for the last 4,000 years the Earth has been cooling as the climate changes from an interglacial into glaciation. There were solar-driven warm spikes such as the Minoan Warming, Roman Warming, Medieval Warming and the Modern Warming and cold spikes (e.g. Dark Ages, Little Ice Age) during this 4,000-year cooling trend.

In 2020, we entered the Grand Solar Minimum which is calculated to end in 2053. Whether there will be a solar-driven cooling, similar to the Little Ice Age (1300-1850 AD), or a full-blown orbitally-driven glaciation, such as the last glaciation from 116,000-14,400 years ago, is unknown. The former cooling could last for hundreds of years whereas the latter would last for at least 90,000 years. If there was another period of sustained subaerial volcanism, cooling would be accelerated.

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Reply #319 - Jan 20th, 2023 at 8:04pm
 
During the last glaciation, Europe was covered with ice north of the Alps, as was Russia; Canada and northern and alpine USA were covered by ice; southern South America and the Andes were covered by ice; Himalayan ice expanded to lower altitudes; and alpine Australia, Tasmania and the South Island of NZ were covered by ice as were the southern and elevated portions of Africa.

In the last glaciation, vegetation contracted and tropical areas such as the Amazon Basin only had copses of trees occupying some ten per cent of the area of the current Amazonian rainforests; large areas of inland Australia, China, India, USA and Africa were covered by sand deposited from cold dry cyclonic winds; inland lakes evaporated; sea level was 130 metres lower than at present; there was no Great Barrier Reef; sea ice isolated Greenland, Iceland, northern Russia and northern Canada; Antarctic sea ice extended hundreds of kilometres north and there was a reduction in rainfall and plant and animal species. Areas that now support pastoral and grain-growing activities were sandy wastelands during the last glaciation. Humans struggled as hunter-gatherers around the edge of ice sheets and at lower latitudes.

We are putting all our efforts and wasting trillions of taxpayers’ dollars into trying to prevent mythical human-induced global warming, yet we still don’t prepare for the inevitable annual floods, droughts and bushfires, let alone longer-term solar – and orbitally – driven global cooling.

We have a crisis of single-minded stupidity exacerbated by a dumbed-down education system supported by incessant propaganda, driven by financial interests and political activist authoritarianism.

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Emeritus Professor Ian Plimer’s latest book Green Murder (Connor Court Publishing) shows he has an aversion to ice, except in aqua vitae.
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Reply #320 - Jan 20th, 2023 at 8:05pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 17th, 2023 at 9:33am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 11th, 2023 at 6:56pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 11th, 2023 at 5:55pm:
The claims of climate alarmists don't need refuting - they have never been established and all remain theories.


Except all UN members are on board with 100% renewables by mid century (the Asian giants a decade later.) 

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I'm still shaking my head at the idea that the 'school strike' actually got something to happen....


People do tend to listen to science, when their survival is at stake.


End of with that classic  Grin

Pack your bags you're going ....back to the dark ages. Roll Eyes

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Reply #321 - Jan 20th, 2023 at 8:24pm
 
I still prefer this one:-
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Reply #322 - Jan 21st, 2023 at 9:52am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 17th, 2023 at 10:40am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 17th, 2023 at 9:46am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 11th, 2023 at 8:20pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 11th, 2023 at 7:53pm:
Child saints always have visions of better worlds - usually run by dead saints - a thanatocracy.


The necessary - for the planet's survival - green economy is achievable, hence the 'vision' in this case is real. 

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Meanwhile, Thunberg lives in her comfortable Swedish world using fossil fuels to warm her food and her arse while she dreams of a better world where everyone else freezes to death.


No, that's what's happening NOW.

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What's her plan for Africa? Back to mud huts and hunter-gatherer societies?


Actually, unlike much of the world, much of Africa can by-pass the fossil fuel stage altogether and go straight to PVs and wind - if the sociopaths at the IMF and World Bank can be ousted....



Yes & caused by the push for & implementation of so called "renewables" that failed.


Wrong; caused by the war in Ukraine which has pushed energy prices up before the renewables transition has progressed sufficiently to end reliance on fossils. 

Luckily for Europeans, the winter is surprisingly warm.

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And you want to go further backwards to a 100% green renewable economy..... Grin lunatic pipe dreams.


Perfectly achievable, given technological advances over the next couple of decades, and present technology can achieve at least 80% renewables-based energy, globally. 


Blame everything on the Ukraine conflict ... a phukkin cop out.

It's bunkum - as I've said everything you enjoy in your lifestyle is down to mining, coal, oil & gas.

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Reply #323 - Jan 21st, 2023 at 12:40pm
 
"Ian Rutherford Plimer (born 12 February 1946) is an Australian geologist and professor emeritus at the University of Melbourne.[1] He rejects the scientific consensus on climate change. He has been criticised by climate scientists for misinterpreting data and spreading misinformation".

So no consensus on AGW, then.

But the poisonous fossil-fuel industry does have to be closed down in favour of clean energy sources.  So let's get to it....
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Reply #324 - Jan 21st, 2023 at 12:44pm
 
... net worth 1.7m, owns home as a teenager, free trips everywhere to rant like a child, applause for being heroically autistic .. what more could a kid or her parents want?
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Reply #325 - Jan 21st, 2023 at 12:48pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 9:52am:
Blame everything on the Ukraine conflict ... a phukkin cop out.


mischaracterisation of the argument.

The poisonous fossil-fuel industry run by cartel fossil price-gougers has to be closed down ASAP.

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It's bunkum - as I've said everything you enjoy in your lifestyle is down to mining, coal, oil & gas.


Up to now, apart from the devastating wars fought over oil and its ownership, in the last 100 years.....

But now vehicles with ICEs must be banned from built-up areas.
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Reply #326 - Jan 21st, 2023 at 12:50pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 12:40pm:
"Ian Rutherford Plimer (born 12 February 1946) is an Australian geologist and professor emeritus at the University of Melbourne.[1] He rejects the scientific consensus on climate change. He has been criticised by climate scientists for misinterpreting data and spreading misinformation".

So no consensus on AGW, then.

But the poisonous fossil-fuel industry does have to be closed down in favour of clean energy sources.  So let's get to it....


Best get a horse then and cancel all your trips ...

Downe Arounde Ye Olde Campe Fyre:-

"Yeah, grand-son, let me tell you... see that long cloud up there?  Well - once upon a time the sky were filled with them ... they was big jets goin' back and forth flying at five mile high at five hundred mile an hour and carryin' five hundred people at a time and travel near half way around the world, they would ... an' that's the Gawd's Truth .... now we better git ta bed - got another long day ahead of us tomorrow if we're to make the next valley over... so ya can see yer auntie Gerty's electric car  .... fed and watered yer horse? ... and keep an eye open for any pesky Abos on the rampage... keep yer gun close.... ya never know these days...."

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Reply #327 - Jan 21st, 2023 at 12:52pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 12:44pm:
... net worth 1.7m, owns home as a teenager, free trips everywhere to rant like a child, applause for being heroically autistic .. what more could a kid or her parents want?


cf with the net worth of >$350 million (some sources estimate double that) for a poisonous fossil-fuel lover.   
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Reply #328 - Jan 21st, 2023 at 12:54pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 12:50pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 12:40pm:
"Ian Rutherford Plimer (born 12 February 1946) is an Australian geologist and professor emeritus at the University of Melbourne.[1] He rejects the scientific consensus on climate change. He has been criticised by climate scientists for misinterpreting data and spreading misinformation".

So no consensus on AGW, then.

But the poisonous fossil-fuel industry does have to be closed down in favour of clean energy sources.  So let's get to it....


Best get a horse then and cancel all your trips ...

Downe Arounde Ye Olde Campe Fyre:-

"Yeah, grand-son, let me tell you... see that long cloud up there?  Well - once upon a time the sky were filled with them ... they was big jets goin' back and forth flying at five mile high at five hundred mile an hour and carryin' five hundred people at a time and travel near half way around the world, they would ... an' that's the Gawd's Truth .... now we better git ta bed - got another long day ahead of us tomorrow if we're to make the next valley over... so ya can see yer auntie Gerty's electric car  .... fed and watered yer horse? ... and keep an eye open for any pesky Abos on the rampage... keep yer gun close.... ya never know these days...."




Graps, go to school and learn about the advances in clean energy production.
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Reply #329 - Jan 21st, 2023 at 1:49pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21st, 2023 at 12:54pm:
Graps, go to school and learn about the advances in clean energy production.


Solar panels are not green. They are a net positive over their life for GHG emissions. But they are cheap because China uses fossil fuels and slave labour.

Wind Turbines are not green. They are a net positive over their life for GHG emissions.

Wind turbines also need more materials, copper etc for the generators individually.

But we know you are wedded to the green wet dream. Roll Eyes

Green hydrogen has not been produced at scale  and has its own limitations. It takes more energy to make than you get out of it. And then there is the shipment.

And then of course the cost of huge batteries. Cobalt using child labor.
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