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Reply #330 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 1:53pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 12:54pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 12:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 12:40pm:

"Ian Rutherford Plimer (born 12 February 1946) is an Australian geologist and professor emeritus at the University of Melbourne.[1] He rejects the scientific consensus on climate change. He has been criticised by climate scientists for misinterpreting data and spreading misinformation".

So no consensus on AGW, then.

But the poisonous fossil-fuel industry does have to be closed down in favour of clean energy sources. So let's get to it....

Best get a horse then and cancel all your trips ...

Downe Arounde Ye Olde Campe Fyre:-

"Yeah, grand-son, let me tell you... see that long cloud up there? Well - once upon a time the sky were filled with them ... they was big jets goin' back and forth flying at five mile high at five hundred mile an hour and carryin' five hundred people at a time and travel near half way around the world, they would ... an' that's the Gawd's Truth .... now we better git ta bed - got another long day ahead of us tomorrow if we're to make the next valley over... so ya can see yer auntie Gerty's electric car .... fed and watered yer horse? ... and keep an eye open for any pesky Abos on the rampage... keep yer gun close.... ya never know these days...."

Graps, go to school and learn about the advances in clean energy production.

Sure, sure - now you start pushing your car along.... can you get that jumbo up there?

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85122 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Smart and humane versus hateful and toxic Reply #331 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 1:55pm My old school mate's son is a geologist and he totally disagrees with you - but he's a modern geologist... next generation so to speak...
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Reply #332 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 2:07pm

lee wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 1:49pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 12:54pm:

Graps, go to school and learn about the advances in clean energy production.

Solar panels are not green. They are a net positive over their life for GHG emissions. But they are cheap because China uses fossil fuels and slave labour.

China is also rolling out renewables at the fastest rate of any country in the world, while burning more coal as required to lift standards of poor people.
The World Bank could assist with the problem of burning more coal, by funding pumped hydro-storage, and grid upgrades.

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Wind Turbines are not green. They are a net positive over their life for GHG emissions.

Wrong: a 100% global green economy is net zero by definition. It's a matter of how you get there, don't make a fool of yourself by saying its impossible.

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Wind turbines also need more materials, copper etc for the generators individually.

Plenty of materials are available (and the required money can be created out of thin air....)

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But we know you are wedded to the green wet dream. Roll Eyes

there you go, just made a fool of yourself, again.

....the fossils will run out eventually....so we might as well exit them ASAP.

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Green hydrogen has not been produced at scale and has its own limitations. It takes more energy to make than you get out of it. And then there is the shipment.

And then of course the cost of huge batteries. Cobalt using child labor.

The engineers and economists can sort all those problems, and governments can piss the greedy fossil price-gougers off once and for all.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85122 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Smart and humane versus hateful and toxic Reply #334 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 2:55pm Let me know when China reaches Nirvana and stops pumping out the fumes.... Beijing gives new meaning to the film title 'Vanilla Sky' ... more like lemon ...
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85122 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Smart and humane versus hateful and toxic Reply #337 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 3:02pm .... tonight on grapTV ... True Glitch .... [color=#ffffff]. [/color]
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Reply #338 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 3:23pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 2:07pm:

China is also rolling out renewables at the fastest rate of any country in the world, while burning more coal as required to lift standards of poor people.

In China Solar and wind provide less than 6% of the total. Roll Eyes

https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/china

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 2:07pm:

The World Bank could assist with the problem of burning more coal, by funding pumped hydro-storage, and grid upgrades.

Hydro is about 8%. How much more land do you want to drown? Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 2:07pm:

Wrong: a 100% global green economy is net zero by definition.

And not achievable. Please provide your figures for the GHG emissions for solar panels and wind turbines. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 2:07pm:

It's a matter of how you get there, don't make a fool of yourself by saying its impossible.

You're the one saying it's possible. Show your figures. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 2:07pm:

Plenty of materials are available (and the required money can be created out of thin air....)

Nope. More tons of copper than currently used. Bigger mines. Not good for the environment. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 2:07pm:

there you go, just made a fool of yourself, again.

....the fossils will run out eventually....so we might as well exit them ASAP.

Fossil fuels will run out eventually. That means having better practices. Renewables can't cut it. You have already admitted elsewhere they would have to overbuild by a large margin, that is greater demand again. You keep confusing As Soon As Practicable with As Soon As Possible. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 2:07pm:

The engineers and economists can sort all those problems, and governments can piss the greedy fossil price-gougers off once and for all.

Another numpty assumption about it merely being an engineering problem ... from someone with NO STEM subjects. So much for education in the 21st century. Roll Eyes

Ah yes those evil fossil fuel producers who produce goods we don't need. From road tar to raincoats as well more mundane uses for transport. Roll Eyes

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Reply #339 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:54pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 2:55pm:

Let me know when China reaches Nirvana and stops pumping out the fumes.... Beijing gives new meaning to the film title 'Vanilla Sky' ... more like lemon ...

China will reach 100% renewables when the rest of the world does....or a decade later; India 2 decades later .....according to statements from COP27.

Of course, whether ANY country meets the 2050 goal remains to be seen - depending on the level of resistance by greedy fossil price gougers defending their fat profits.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17973 Gender:	Re: Smart and humane versus hateful and toxic Reply #340 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:56pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:54pm: Of course, whether ANY country meets the 2050 goal remains to be seen - depending on the level of resistance by greedy fossil price gougers If the price differential is so great, why is there no faster uptake of renewables?
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Reply #341 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 6:55pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:54pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 2:55pm:

Let me know when China reaches Nirvana and stops pumping out the fumes.... Beijing gives new meaning to the film title 'Vanilla Sky' ... more like lemon ...

China will reach 100% renewables when the rest of the world does....or a decade later; India 2 decades later .....according to statements from COP27.

Of course, whether ANY country meets the 2050 goal remains to be seen - depending on the level of resistance by greedy fossil price gougers defending their fat profits.

Don't you just love these kinds of glorious propaganda figures guesstimates...... it's 2023 and China is going to reach the goal in 27 years.....

Wanna put your house on it?

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Reply #342 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 6:59pm

lee wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:56pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:54pm:

Of course, whether ANY country meets the 2050 goal remains to be seen - depending on the level of resistance by greedy fossil price gougers

If the price differential is so great, why is there no Roll Eyes

faster uptake of renewables?

Yes - excuses are like arseholes.... "depending on the level of resistance by greedy fossil price gougers "..... so WHEN they all fail to 'meet their target" it will never be their fault... or the faulty reasoning associated with the technology....

Plans are great on paper, sound great made public - wouldn't give you ten cents for a truck load of them on the open market.... a US 101st Trooper in Vietnam said that... guess he had a point .....

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Reply #343 - Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:33am

lee wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:56pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 5:54pm:

Of course, whether ANY country meets the 2050 goal remains to be seen - depending on the level of resistance by greedy fossil price gougers

If the price differential is so great, why is there no Roll Eyes

faster uptake of renewables?

It's not a matter of 'price differentials', it's matter of private vested interests preserving their fat profits, hindering the transition to renewables.

If climate scientists could prove we only have a decade left in which to end CO2 fossil emissions, to save the planet, then we would make it happen, funded by free money issued by the world's central banks.

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