aquascoot wrote on Jan 14
th, 2024 at 7:00am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 21
st, 2023 at 8:50am:
To recap: the idea of sovereignty evolved over time from its grounding in religion ("Christ the king"), to monarchs ("Divine Right of kings"), and then to the individual with "inherent/natural rights", postulated by the enlightenment 18th century theorists.
But individuals don't agree on what these rights are, so the problem of finding a theoretical/philosophical basis for practical governance remains; governance (and sovereignty) by definition applies to all.
So the only sensible grounding for sovereignty is law itself, as Cicero recognized:
"all must submit to law, if all are to be free".
So the quality of the law is paramount: what does the law wish to achieve?
Maximum individual freedom, or maximum general welfare?
Turns out the former is taking us down the road to economic, ecological catastrophe and possible nuclear annihilation.
this is, of course, the exact arguement of the WEF
that shareholder capitalism is at its end and a new broom of regulatory elites need to take over the reins.
WHY are they arguing that?
Perhaps because we ARE heading "down the road to economic, ecological catastrophe and possible nuclear annihilation".
But ofcourse the WEF, infested by deluded mainstream economic orthodoxy, have the wrong solutions to the problem.
Quote:but who supervises clauss shwabb, mark zuckerburg, justin trudeau, angela merkel, bill gates, geotge clooney and greta thunburg?
The correct answer is the
system of governance which engenders collective prosperity, security and sustainability.
Quote:are they not just authoritarians dressed up as the latest iteration to "take care of us"
No, they are individuals with their own ideas on how to save the planet from ecological and economic catastrophe, with the worth of these individuals' ideas varyingly widely, depending on the extent of
self-interest as the basis for the formulation of their ideas.
Quote:thats the selling point and many people (especially of the left) view all politicians and authority figures through the frame of"who can look after me best"
True, when the question ought to be: who (or rather than which politicians, what
economic system) can deliver sustainable prosperity for all?
Quote:the covid lockdowns showed us that maybe 90 % of people think that way.
In many ways it's a pity covid wasn't a severe black-death type of illness, allowing you to survive covid unscatheed, and allowing you to persist with your "freedom" from state rule' / "sovereign citizen" nonsense.
Quote:"frightened children who just want to be led"
I rest my case: covid let YOU survive, but killed millions; the lockdowns were necessary before vaccines were available. Guess how doctors kept Trump alive when he caught it?
Quote:stakeholder capitalism as clauss called it 40 yrs ago.
who decides which stakeholders get what ?
Under the present deluded "natural individual rights" system,
company share ownership eg Musk's ownership of Tesla shares make him richer than half the world's nations.
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