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Reply #15 - Jan 20^th, 2023 at 9:51pm

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 5:02pm:

A side issue maybe but steam comes out of my ears every time a free world (remember that expression ?) Gov't announces their generous donation of advanced military equipment to Ukraine the idiots are giving the Russians time to prepare. Did the west warn Hitler of their latest weapons before sending the to the front ?

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To prepare? With what?

On another side note, the US capacity for military action is so superior that it can name the day and the place of a military response and no state actor can prevent it.

Also, the arms the west is supplying Ukraine are mostly leftovers from 80s and 90s technology. With the exception of patriot missiles, the hardware would have been slated for destruction had it not been repurposed for the Ukrainians.

The world is a different place than it was in 1943.

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Re: Australian model for achieve peace in Ukraine
Reply #16 - Jan 20^th, 2023 at 10:02pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 20^th, 2023 at 9:34pm:

Putin and his Muscovite cabal, do not want peace in Ukraine at any cost. They know historically, Ukraine is as much a part of Poland as it ever was under the Czars and Soviets. It is Putin's intention to destroy Ukraine's cultural identity. Such a victory will make the Black Sea Russian, and the Carpathians a bastion from which to seize the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Romania. This has always been Putin's aim.

Don't forget all the little -stans due south of Russia and on The Road To Tehran. Vlad is determined to restore the Russian Empire of the past... he imagines, like ever so many despots, that holding direct control over regions and resources means his 'mothership country' will prosper mightily.

Funny thing - the Germans held most of Europe from 1940-44 and still didn't have the resources in food and raw materials to actually do all that much. Aircraft and tank production were notably slow ...

Got a neurosurgeon lady in one of the -stans who wants out.... one I know already got out.... plenty of work for neurosurgeons soon with all the head wounds.... but she doesn't want to live under Russian control.

Unholy New Axis between Russia and Iran.... Jayzuz... and Kazakhstan borders China in the East... a near contiguous New Tripartite Treaty between 'Europe' and Asia... I smell trouble on the wind, boys, trouble on the wind.... so it's please to walk in front, sir, when there's trouble on the wind.... get fit and ready... you're going to need it, and what you imagine is your most extreme level of effort and fitness is nothing.... I'll be in the office somewhere... too old for that...

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Re: Australian model for achieve peace in Ukraine
Reply #17 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:08am

freediver wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 3:09pm:

athos wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 12:46pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 12:02pm:

athos wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 10:54am:

Many agree that the war in Ukraine should end as soon as possible in order to prevent the catastrophic consequences of that conflict.
One of the ways to achieve long-term peace in Ukraine, considering the real situation on the ground, is the application of the Australian model of the political system, which has proven to be very successful.
As we know, the Australian political system is based on the continuity of belonging of Australia and the majority of its citizens to the British (Anglo-Saxon) historical, national and cultural identity, just as it is the case with Ukraine and Russia. Consequently, as a result of that, Australia has its own parliament and prime minister where English is accepted as the official language of that country.
The British monarch is at the same time the head of the Australian state, as well as the commander-in-chief of the Australian armed forces, represented by the governor-general of Australia.
Applying the same constitutional model, Ukraine would have its own parliament and prime minister, where the official language would be Russian, with the use of all other languages permitted. The Russian president will be at the same time Ukrainian head of state and the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian armed forces, and he would be represented by the governor general of Ukraine.
Such a solution would ensure peace and prosperity in Ukraine and Europe, just as it was the case with Australia, Canada or New Zealand.

I don't think Australia has ever handed control of our military to an enemy state.

Are you saying that Britain is an enemy state to Australia?????????
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No athos.

Have you ever been to Australia?

These are irrelevant questions.
Please stick to the topic.
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Re: Australian model for achieve peace in Ukraine
Reply #18 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:15am

Belgarion wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 4:12pm:

athos wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 10:54am:

Many agree that the war in Ukraine should end as soon as possible in order to prevent the catastrophic consequences of that conflict.
One of the ways to achieve long-term peace in Ukraine, considering the real situation on the ground, is the application of the Australian model of the political system, which has proven to be very successful.
As we know, the Australian political system is based on the continuity of belonging of Australia and the majority of its citizens to the British (Anglo-Saxon) historical, national and cultural identity, just as it is the case with Ukraine and Russia. Consequently, as a result of that, Australia has its own parliament and prime minister where English is accepted as the official language of that country.
The British monarch is at the same time the head of the Australian state, as well as the commander-in-chief of the Australian armed forces, represented by the governor-general of Australia.
Applying the same constitutional model, Ukraine would have its own parliament and prime minister, where the official language would be Russian, with the use of all other languages permitted. The Russian president will be at the same time Ukrainian head of state and the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian armed forces, and he would be represented by the governor general of Ukraine.
Such a solution would ensure peace and prosperity in Ukraine and Europe, just as it was the case with Australia, Canada or New Zealand.

Just when I think you cannot be any more ridiculous than you already are, you somehow manage to surpass yourself. Roll Eyes

Please suppress the arrogance of your quasi-superiority and explain what is ridiculous about the Australian constitution
and political system that cannot be applied in Ukraine or elsewhere.
You seem to be some kind of angry young man who is unable to think rationally. No one is saying that the political system in Australia (Canada) and other British colonial protectorates is not good, on the contrary, it is so good that it could be implemented in Ukraine for the sake of peace.
Please read this post again and stick to the topic of how to achieve peace and stop the unnecessary loss of Ukrainian lives. Or maybe you're thirsty for someone's blood. Should we call call you Count Dracula?
Some compromise needs to be done to bring about peace and stop this disgusting civil war between two Slavic peoples , as Britain has done in some of its colonies. Unless you like to fight to the last Ukrainian.
Please stick to the topic of this post. So, Anglo Count Dracula, tell us what your proposal is to achieve peace and stop the killings in Ukraine?

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Re: Australian model for achieve peace in Ukraine
Reply #19 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:27am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 4:17pm:

That won't work Athos.

The Ukrainians will now hate the Russians for another 3 generations
or the next 100 years.
At least 40 people died in the last few days when a building was hit by a 2000 pound warhead.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64282044

Australian aborigines didn't like the British either, so they accepted the British colonial rule until today.
Ukraine is only a geographical term. Ukraine means "End of Russia" (Russian border) in Russian.
Ukrainian is and Russians are one people with the same historical, cultural and national identity.
Just as there is no Australian cultural and national identity, there is no Ukrainian one either.

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Re: Australian model for achieve peace in Ukraine
Reply #20 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:39am

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 5:02pm:

A side issue maybe but steam comes out of my ears every time a free world (remember that expression ?) Gov't announces their generous donation of advanced military equipment to Ukraine the idiots are giving the Russians time to prepare. Did the west warn Hitler of their latest weapons before sending the to the front ?

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Of course, the Anglo West supported Hitler before his invasion of Russia. Only when Russia began to crush the German army Anglosaxon West supported Russia.

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Re: Australian model for achieve peace in Ukraine
Reply #21 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:41am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 5:06pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 5:02pm:

A side issue maybe but steam comes out of my ears every time a free world (remember that expression ?) Gov't announces their generous donation of advanced military equipment to Ukraine the idiots are giving the Russians time to prepare. Did the west warn Hitler of their latest weapons before sending the to the front ?

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After Hitler invaded Poland there was a phoney war between September 1939 and April 1940.

I think history is repeating.
The Allies are buying time to prepare for Russia properly.

Considering that the military defeat of Ukraine in this war is inevitable, it is better to do something as soon as possible about the achieved peace, before the last Ukrainian is sacrificed for the interests of the NATO.

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Re: Australian model for achieve peace in Ukraine
Reply #22 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:44am

athos wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 5:06pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 5:02pm:

A side issue maybe but steam comes out of my ears every time a free world (remember that expression ?) Gov't announces their generous donation of advanced military equipment to Ukraine the idiots are giving the Russians time to prepare. Did the west warn Hitler of their latest weapons before sending the to the front ?

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After Hitler invaded Poland there was a phoney war between September 1939 and April 1940.

I think history is repeating.
The Allies are buying time to prepare for Russia properly.

Considering that the military defeat of Ukraine in this war is inevitable, it is better to do something as soon as possible about the achieved peace, before the last Ukrainian is sacrificed for the interests of the NATO.

NATO will go in very soon.
They will find a good pretext -
maybe a stray Russian missile that kills people in a NATO country?

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Re: Australian model for achieve peace in Ukraine
Reply #23 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:57am

issuevoter wrote on Jan 20^th, 2023 at 9:34pm:

Putin and his Muscovite cabal, do not want peace in Ukraine at any cost. They know historically, Ukraine is as much a part of Poland as it ever was under the Czars and Soviets. It is Putin's intention to destroy Ukraine's cultural identity. Such a victory will make the Black Sea Russian, and the Carpathians a bastion from which to seize the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Romania. This has always been Putin's aim.

On the contrary, Russia is not attacking Ukraine. Russia is liberating Ukraine from the NATO occupation that took place in 2014.

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Re: Australian model for achieve peace in Ukraine
Reply #24 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 10:01am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:44am:

athos wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 5:06pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 5:02pm:

A side issue maybe but steam comes out of my ears every time a free world (remember that expression ?) Gov't announces their generous donation of advanced military equipment to Ukraine the idiots are giving the Russians time to prepare. Did the west warn Hitler of their latest weapons before sending the to the front ?

IDIOTS
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After Hitler invaded Poland there was a phoney war between September 1939 and April 1940.

I think history is repeating.
The Allies are buying time to prepare for Russia properly.

Considering that the military defeat of Ukraine in this war is inevitable, it is better to do something as soon as possible about the achieved peace, before the last Ukrainian is sacrificed for the interests of the NATO.

NATO will go in very soon.
They will find a good pretext -
maybe a stray Russian missile that kills people in a NATO country?

NATO is already there.Russia is not invading Ukraine.
Russia is liberating Ukraine from NATO occupation.
By the time you wake up from your arrogant Anglo dreams, it will be too late or you may prefer this scenario.
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Re: Australian model for achieve peace in Ukraine
Reply #25 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 10:07am

athos wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 10:01am:

NATO is already there.Russia is not invading Ukraine.
Russia is liberating Ukraine from NATO occupation.
By the time you wake up from your arrogant Anglo dreams, it will be too late or you may prefer this scenario.
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No - I'm talking about let's say 500,000 NATO troops
with their boots on the ground fighting in Ukraine on the Russian front.
There are only a handful of advisors now.
When NATO gets fired up -
they'll kick Russian butts out of Ukraine and maybe take a bit of Russian territory too -
Europe needs a good buffer zone from the Russian hordes.

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Reply #26 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 11:06am

Not only did russia invade Ukraine without provocation it has done execrable things like taking thousands of Ukrainian infants and giving them to russian couples. Doubtless to boost the number of bodies for canon fodder in 20 years time.

The invasion is russia wanting buffer areas againsr invasion. Doubtless Putin sees himself as an empire builder.

russia is clearly nazi.

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Reply #28 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 3:15pm

athos wrote on Jan 21^st, 2023 at 9:08am:

freediver wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 3:09pm:

athos wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 12:46pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 12:02pm:

athos wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 10:54am:

Many agree that the war in Ukraine should end as soon as possible in order to prevent the catastrophic consequences of that conflict.
One of the ways to achieve long-term peace in Ukraine, considering the real situation on the ground, is the application of the Australian model of the political system, which has proven to be very successful.
As we know, the Australian political system is based on the continuity of belonging of Australia and the majority of its citizens to the British (Anglo-Saxon) historical, national and cultural identity, just as it is the case with Ukraine and Russia. Consequently, as a result of that, Australia has its own parliament and prime minister where English is accepted as the official language of that country.
The British monarch is at the same time the head of the Australian state, as well as the commander-in-chief of the Australian armed forces, represented by the governor-general of Australia.
Applying the same constitutional model, Ukraine would have its own parliament and prime minister, where the official language would be Russian, with the use of all other languages permitted. The Russian president will be at the same time Ukrainian head of state and the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian armed forces, and he would be represented by the governor general of Ukraine.
Such a solution would ensure peace and prosperity in Ukraine and Europe, just as it was the case with Australia, Canada or New Zealand.

I don't think Australia has ever handed control of our military to an enemy state.

Are you saying that Britain is an enemy state to Australia?????????
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No athos.

Have you ever been to Australia?

These are irrelevant questions.
Please stick to the topic.
Thank you

What is the topic? You merely strung together some mindless gibberish, then failed to comprehend the response you got.

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Reply #29 - Jan 21^st, 2023 at 10:31pm

I know few will understand it or even believe it but Russia asked to join NATO soon after the fall of the Soviet Union. The weapons suppliers needed tensions to continue for increased sales and the request was denied. George H W Bush and Dick Chaney declared Russia the enemy that needed to be punished for the sins of the Soviet Union and that continues to this day! If Russia had felt secure in their Borders this invasion would have never happened. I don't support Putin in any way but I understand his motivation!

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