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Steampipe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1914 WA Gender:	FBI raid turns up more stolen docs Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 12:01pm Bidens home was raided and more stolen documents located. Question is how many Chinese and Russian agents had access to these docs.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138739 Gender:	Re: FBI raid turns up more stolen docs Reply #1 - Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 12:34pm Steampipe wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 12:01pm: Bidens home was raided and more stolen documents located. Hunter's Laptop
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49132 Gender:	Re: FBI raid turns up more stolen docs Reply #2 - Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 1:11pm Brunette Hospital Orderlies like Biden are allowed to steal documents and hide them in his house. Ranga males like Trump on the other hand...
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Re: FBI raid turns up more stolen docs
Reply #3 - Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 1:42pm

Unlike the failed former president, Biden’s White House lawyer
Bob Bauer said, “The President and his team are working swiftly
to ensure DOJ and the Special Counsel have what they need to
conduct a thorough review.”

Recall how obstructive Captain Bonespurs was in giving up the
thousands of classified documents—which he initially denied
possessing—that he misappropriated. Plus it took court-ordered
subpoenas to allow the FBI to raid Mar-a-Lago.

And of course Captain Bonespurs is now under criminal investigation
by a special counsel for taking classified records and other government
documents from the White House when he left office. He's also being
eyed for possible obstruction of justice by stonewalling efforts by
government officials to recover those documents.

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Reply #4 - Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 1:51pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 1:42pm:

Unlike the failed former president, Biden’s White House lawyer
Bob Bauer said, “The President and his team are working swiftly
to ensure DOJ and the Special Counsel have what they need to
conduct a thorough review.”

Recall how obstructive Captain Bonespurs was in giving up the
thousands of classified documents—which he initially denied
possessing—that he misappropriated. Plus it took court-ordered
subpoenas to allow the FBI to raid Mar-a-Lago.

And of course Captain Bonespurs is now under criminal investigation
by a special counsel for taking classified records and other government
documents from the White House when he left office. He's also being
eyed for possible obstruction of justice by stonewalling efforts by
government officials to recover those documents.

It's apples and oranges.

Trump committed a crime:

Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1924) states that anyone who “(1) knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and (2) with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.”

Knowingly removed documents or materials without authority? Check. Stole them after he lost the election.

With the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location? Check. Said they were his and had no intention of giving them back.

Moreover, he has confessed to doing this several times.

Open-and-shut case: he committed the crime. We just need to see if he'll be charged.

But with Biden:

Knowingly removed documents or materials without authority? No. He was a sitting, elected Vice President - he had full authority.

With the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location? No. As soon as they were discovered he arranged for them to be returned, plus he collaborated with the FBI & DOJ in order to carry out further searches designed to locate and return any other documents that were still in his possession.

Apples and oranges, people. You're clutching at straws.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49132 Gender:	Re: FBI raid turns up more stolen docs Reply #5 - Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 1:51pm More like Orange Trump eh Peccary ...and Biden the Lemon.
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Reply #6 - Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:26pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 1:51pm:

Knowingly removed documents or materials without authority? No. He was a sitting, elected Vice President - he had full authority.

That authority was extinguished when he was no longer VP. And that after saying in an interview he "had no access to classified information". Classified documents by their very name contain "classified information".

"Amid Tuesday’s furor over news that classified documents had been found in a suite of Washington, D.C., offices Biden used in his post-vice presidency period, damaging video from a 2018 interview resurfaced that shows Biden declaring he had no access to “classified information.”"

https://www.westernjournal.com/damaging-5-year-old-video-biden-surfaces-bombshel...

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Reply #7 - Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:32pm

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 1:51pm:

Knowingly removed documents or materials without authority? No. He was a sitting, elected Vice President - he had full authority.

That authority was extinguished when he was no longer VP.

He removed them when he was VP.

He removed them when he was an elected representative.

There is no crime there.

Plus, in order for it to be a crime he would have to have also had intent to retain them - he didn't.

He hasn't committed a crime, whereas Trump has.

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Reply #8 - Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:37pm

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 1:51pm:

Knowingly removed documents or materials without authority? No. He was a sitting, elected Vice President - he had full authority.

That authority was extinguished when he was no longer VP. And that after saying in an interview he "had no access to classified information". Classified documents by their very name contain "classified information".

"Amid Tuesday’s furor over news that classified documents had been found in a suite of Washington, D.C., offices Biden used in his post-vice presidency period, damaging video from a 2018 interview resurfaced that shows Biden declaring he had no access to “classified information.”"

https://www.westernjournal.com/damaging-5-year-old-video-biden-surfaces-bombshel...

The story is real stupid - At that time he didn't have access to classified documents as he said. The rest just confirms that he didn't know there were classified documents in the office.

Hardly a gotcha when it is only confirming Biden's current position as being correct and consistent with what was said in the previous interview..

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58927 Here Gender:	Re: FBI raid turns up more stolen docs Reply #9 - Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:41pm Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 1:51pm: More like Orange Trump eh Peccary ...and Biden the Lemon. The only slight difference is that Trump literally is Orange and Biden isn't lemon. Seems consistent for you.
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Reply #10 - Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:45pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:37pm:

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 1:51pm:

Knowingly removed documents or materials without authority? No. He was a sitting, elected Vice President - he had full authority.

That authority was extinguished when he was no longer VP. And that after saying in an interview he "had no access to classified information". Classified documents by their very name contain "classified information".

"Amid Tuesday’s furor over news that classified documents had been found in a suite of Washington, D.C., offices Biden used in his post-vice presidency period, damaging video from a 2018 interview resurfaced that shows Biden declaring he had no access to “classified information.”"

https://www.westernjournal.com/damaging-5-year-old-video-biden-surfaces-bombshel...

The story is real stupid - At that time he didn't have access to classified documents as he said.

Exactly.

But at the time they were removed, he did.

However, for the sake of the argument, let's just say that he removed them when he did not have authorisation - that's still not a crime.

There are two parts to the crime (the numbers in brackets were put in by me):

Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1924) states that anyone who “(1) knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and (2) with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.”

(1) is not a crime on its own - it must be accompanied by (2).

That's why the word "and" is inserted into the legalisation.

It's not one or the other - it's both, and Biden clearly has no intention of retaining the documents.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49132 Gender:	Re: FBI raid turns up more stolen docs Reply #11 - Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:46pm They found Melania's knickers at Trump's home. They found a big black dildo at Biden's home. At least Biden took one for his wife and said it was his.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138739 Gender:	Re: FBI raid turns up more stolen docs Reply #12 - Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:50pm Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:46pm: They found Melania's knickers at Trump's home. What about Ivanka's?
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Reply #13 - Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:55pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:37pm:

The story is real stupid - At that time he didn't have access to classified documents as he said. The rest just confirms that he didn't know there were classified documents in the office.

So now it is he didn't know he had classified documents. Roll Eyes

Dnarever wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:37pm:

Hardly a gotcha when it is only confirming Biden's current position as being correct and consistent with what was said in the previous interview..

That depends on when the documents date from. Roll Eyes

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58927 Here Gender:	Re: FBI raid turns up more stolen docs Reply #14 - Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:55pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:50pm: Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 2:46pm: They found Melania's knickers at Trump's home. What about Ivanka's? https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MepkrmDIl28/maxresdefault.jpg They were safe in Donald's pocket.
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