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Jan 23rd, 2023 at 9:19am
 
It's high time something more comprehensive was done about juvenile crime.

This is not a boy as they stated - he is a late teen - a young man... the punishment must fit the crime.

Courier Mail today - paywalled.

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‘KILLED BY A COWARD’
Murder charge for teen caught with 45cm knife
THOMAS CHAMBERLIN
YOUTH CRIME CRISIS: MAN STABBED WALKING HOME

A BOY has been charged with murdering a Wilston man by stabbing him to death less than a kilometre from his home in the upmarket inner Brisbane suburb.

Detective Superintendent Andrew Massingham said the man, 43, was found by a member of the public about 1.40am, directly opposite the
Wilston train station, with critical injuries. He died at the scene despite paramedics trying to save him. Ninety minutes before the man was found
– just after midnight – police arrested two teens who had come to the attention of officers on a nearby stretch of Newmarket Rd.

The boy, 17, was allegedly found with a 45cm knife, described by Superintendent Massingham as “almost a small machete”, which was in a
sheath hidden beneath his clothing.

He said the boy and a teenage girl – who was not charged over the death – were taken to a “place of safety”, as is procedure when locating juveniles.

They were later arrested at that address after the stabbed man was found.

Superintendent Massingham said the crime scene was horrific. “These cowardly attacks are abhorrent, no place for them in society,” he said.

Opposition Leader David Crisafulli called on Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk – who returns from holiday today – to recall parliament to
debate “the youth crime epidemic”.


No more talk/debate they been doing that for decades.

Time to put in place some serious consequences.
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Re: Another one
Reply #1 - Jan 23rd, 2023 at 9:26am
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 9:19am:
It's high time something more comprehensive was done about juvenile crime.

This is not a boy as they stated - he is a late teen - a young man... the punishment must fit the crime.

Courier Mail today - paywalled.

Quote:
‘KILLED BY A COWARD’
Murder charge for teen caught with 45cm knife
THOMAS CHAMBERLIN
YOUTH CRIME CRISIS: MAN STABBED WALKING HOME

A BOY has been charged with murdering a Wilston man by stabbing him to death less than a kilometre from his home in the upmarket inner Brisbane suburb.

Detective Superintendent Andrew Massingham said the man, 43, was found by a member of the public about 1.40am, directly opposite the
Wilston train station, with critical injuries. He died at the scene despite paramedics trying to save him. Ninety minutes before the man was found
– just after midnight – police arrested two teens who had come to the attention of officers on a nearby stretch of Newmarket Rd.

The boy, 17, was allegedly found with a 45cm knife, described by Superintendent Massingham as “almost a small machete”, which was in a
sheath hidden beneath his clothing.

He said the boy and a teenage girl – who was not charged over the death – were taken to a “place of safety”, as is procedure when locating juveniles.

They were later arrested at that address after the stabbed man was found.

Superintendent Massingham said the crime scene was horrific. “These cowardly attacks are abhorrent, no place for them in society,” he said.

Opposition Leader David Crisafulli called on Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk – who returns from holiday today – to recall parliament to
debate “the youth crime epidemic”.


No more talk/debate they been doing that for decades.

Time to put in place some serious consequences.



He is not worthy of continuing life imo.
I sure as hell do not want my tax dollors going towards keeping the prick alive.
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Re: Another one
Reply #2 - Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:32am
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 9:19am:

Time to put in place some serious consequences.


Do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?

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Reply #3 - Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:45am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:32am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 9:19am:

Time to put in place some serious consequences.


Do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?




Well the progressive softly softly counselling approach has been a dismal failure .....

the skyrocketing rate of juvenile crime is testament to that.
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Reply #4 - Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:47am
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:45am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:32am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 9:19am:

Time to put in place some serious consequences.


Do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?




Well the progressive softly softly counselling approach has been a dismal failure .....

the skyrocketing rate of juvenile crime is testament to that.


Yes, but do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?
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Reply #5 - Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:17am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:47am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:45am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:32am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 9:19am:

Time to put in place some serious consequences.


Do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?




Well the progressive softly softly counselling approach has been a dismal failure .....

the skyrocketing rate of juvenile crime is testament to that.


Yes, but do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?


It never has in the past, so why would it now?
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Reply #6 - Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:22am
 
Kat wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:17am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:47am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:45am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:32am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 9:19am:

Time to put in place some serious consequences.


Do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?




Well the progressive softly softly counselling approach has been a dismal failure .....

the skyrocketing rate of juvenile crime is testament to that.


Yes, but do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?


It never has in the past, so why would it now?


Exactly.

US states which have the death penalty have higher murder rates than those which don't.

Harsher penalties are about revenge - they don't deter crime.


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Reply #7 - Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:31am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:22am:
Kat wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:17am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:47am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:45am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:32am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 9:19am:

Time to put in place some serious consequences.


Do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?




Well the progressive softly softly counselling approach has been a dismal failure .....

the skyrocketing rate of juvenile crime is testament to that.


Yes, but do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?


It never has in the past, so why would it now?


Exactly.

US states which have the death penalty have higher murder rates than those which don't.

Harsher penalties are about revenge - they don't deter crime.



Unless I see stats or links to compare it… I ask… how can it be… harsher laws won’t deter criminal actions?
Does it all come down to each individual thinking it won’t happen to them?
Or the country with a high population requiring  the harsher sentencing … hence it must deter some from crime…
And as for Australia… how soft or harsh are our laws to prove either way?
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Re: Another one
Reply #8 - Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:37am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:47am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:45am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:32am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 9:19am:

Time to put in place some serious consequences.


Do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?




Well the progressive softly softly counselling approach has been a dismal failure .....

the skyrocketing rate of juvenile crime is testament to that.


Yes, but do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?



Yes it will deter some & any reduction is worth it.
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Re: Another one
Reply #9 - Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:40am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:22am:
Kat wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:17am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:47am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:45am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:32am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 9:19am:

Time to put in place some serious consequences.


Do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?




Well the progressive softly softly counselling approach has been a dismal failure .....

the skyrocketing rate of juvenile crime is testament to that.


Yes, but do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?


It never has in the past, so why would it now?


Exactly.

US states which have the death penalty have higher murder rates than those which don't.

Harsher penalties are about revenge - they don't deter crime.





Well Peccar what's the solution?

Both methods have been used & yet the rates increase.

Doing nothing is not an option ... people should not be living in fear of being murdered in their own homes by juvenile criminals or any other criminals.

The revolving door of the youth justice system has to stopped.
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Reply #10 - Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:42am
 
I found this online…

The research demonstrates that an increase in the severity of punishment (particularly imprisonment) has no increased deterrent effect upon offending. However, increases in the certainty of apprehension consistently show a significant positive deterrent effect.

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Reply #11 - Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:43am
 
Sophia wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:31am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:22am:
Kat wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:17am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:47am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:45am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:32am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 9:19am:

Time to put in place some serious consequences.


Do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?




Well the progressive softly softly counselling approach has been a dismal failure .....

the skyrocketing rate of juvenile crime is testament to that.


Yes, but do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?


It never has in the past, so why would it now?


Exactly.

US states which have the death penalty have higher murder rates than those which don't.

Harsher penalties are about revenge - they don't deter crime.



Unless I see stats or links to compare it… I ask… how can it be… harsher laws won’t deter criminal actions?
Does it all come down to each individual thinking it won’t happen to them?



US states which have the death penalty have higher murder rates than those which don't.

There is no harsher penalty than death so if harsh penalties actually deterred crime, murder wouldn't exist in the countries which have capital punishment.

Do harsher punishments deter crime?

It’s easy to think that the threat of punishment will simply dissuade someone from doing the wrong thing. But it turns out that deterring would-be criminals by instilling doubt or fear of the consequences is more tale than truth.

“Deterrence is very largely an article of faith,” says UNSW Law Emeritus Professor David Brown. “I call it sentencing’s dirty secret because it’s just assumed that there is deterrence … but what the research shows is that the system has little to no deterrent effect.”

The criminal justice researcher says harsher punishments, such as longer prison sentences, not only do not prevent crime but may actually have the opposite effect.

“What research is increasingly showing is that imprisonment itself and punishment more generally is actually criminogenic – it makes it more likely that people are going to re-offend,” he says.

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Reply #12 - Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:55am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:43am:
Sophia wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:31am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:22am:
Kat wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:17am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:47am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:45am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:32am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 9:19am:

Time to put in place some serious consequences.


Do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?




Well the progressive softly softly counselling approach has been a dismal failure .....

the skyrocketing rate of juvenile crime is testament to that.


Yes, but do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?


It never has in the past, so why would it now?


Exactly.

US states which have the death penalty have higher murder rates than those which don't.

Harsher penalties are about revenge - they don't deter crime.



Unless I see stats or links to compare it… I ask… how can it be… harsher laws won’t deter criminal actions?
Does it all come down to each individual thinking it won’t happen to them?



US states which have the death penalty have higher murder rates than those which don't.

There is no harsher penalty than death so if harsh penalties actually deterred crime, murder wouldn't exist in the countries which have capital punishment.

Do harsher punishments deter crime?

It’s easy to think that the threat of punishment will simply dissuade someone from doing the wrong thing. But it turns out that deterring would-be criminals by instilling doubt or fear of the consequences is more tale than truth.

“Deterrence is very largely an article of faith,” says UNSW Law Emeritus Professor David Brown. “I call it sentencing’s dirty secret because it’s just assumed that there is deterrence … but what the research shows is that the system has little to no deterrent effect.”

The criminal justice researcher says harsher punishments, such as longer prison sentences, not only do not prevent crime but may actually have the opposite effect.

“What research is increasingly showing is that imprisonment itself and punishment more generally is actually criminogenic – it makes it more likely that people are going to re-offend,” he says.




Yeah ... so your stating the reasons why not.....

how about some answers as to how it can be reduced?

And don't talk in decades ... because we've already had the softly softly approach for decades.

To me what you're saying is nothing can be done .... so are we are churning out more criminally inclined children because of what?
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Reply #13 - Jan 23rd, 2023 at 12:04pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:55am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:43am:
Sophia wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:31am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:22am:
Kat wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 11:17am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:47am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:45am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 10:32am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 23rd, 2023 at 9:19am:

Time to put in place some serious consequences.


Do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?




Well the progressive softly softly counselling approach has been a dismal failure .....

the skyrocketing rate of juvenile crime is testament to that.


Yes, but do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?


It never has in the past, so why would it now?


Exactly.

US states which have the death penalty have higher murder rates than those which don't.

Harsher penalties are about revenge - they don't deter crime.



Unless I see stats or links to compare it… I ask… how can it be… harsher laws won’t deter criminal actions?
Does it all come down to each individual thinking it won’t happen to them?



US states which have the death penalty have higher murder rates than those which don't.

There is no harsher penalty than death so if harsh penalties actually deterred crime, murder wouldn't exist in the countries which have capital punishment.

Do harsher punishments deter crime?

It’s easy to think that the threat of punishment will simply dissuade someone from doing the wrong thing. But it turns out that deterring would-be criminals by instilling doubt or fear of the consequences is more tale than truth.

“Deterrence is very largely an article of faith,” says UNSW Law Emeritus Professor David Brown. “I call it sentencing’s dirty secret because it’s just assumed that there is deterrence … but what the research shows is that the system has little to no deterrent effect.”

The criminal justice researcher says harsher punishments, such as longer prison sentences, not only do not prevent crime but may actually have the opposite effect.

“What research is increasingly showing is that imprisonment itself and punishment more generally is actually criminogenic – it makes it more likely that people are going to re-offend,” he says.




Yeah ... so your stating the reasons why not.....

how about some answers as to how it can be reduced?



Increased police presence on the streets.

Increased public housing

Increased mental health services.

Increased drug & alcohol rehabilitation options.

A decrease in the availability of alcohol (e.g. reduced opening hours) and a rise in the legal drinking age.

Increase minimum age for dropping out of school.

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Reply #14 - Jan 23rd, 2023 at 12:11pm
 
I would love to hear some solutions to this problem.
Not solutions that cost taxpayers a fortune though.
Cost should be kept to a minimum.
Jail is like a 5 star holiday for most of them.



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