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Re: Another one
Reply #45 - Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:26pm

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:14pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:19pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:45am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:32am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:19am:

Time to put in place some serious consequences.

Do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?

Well the progressive softly softly counselling approach has been a dismal failure .....

the skyrocketing rate of juvenile crime is testament to that.

Yes. I agree that the current approach to youth crime is obviously
not working, and needs new, serious reconsideration.

One of the major issues is the lax approach from magistrates, who
invariably focus on the rehabilitation of the youthful transgressor at
the expense of his/her victims. All too often, these young criminals
are already on probation for previous criminal convictions, and should
instead have been in a youth detention facility.

And again, too many of these young offenders know they'll get off
lightly—often pleading physically abusive childhoods, drug abuse,
depressive disorders, alcoholic parents or absent parents, or peer
group pressures etc. All of which is neither here nor there from the
perspective of their victims—it doesn't assuage the often life changing
effects they suffer from assaults or home invasions or other crimes
of violence.

My solution would be immediate incarceration in a youth detention
centre for any crime involving (say) physical violence, vehicle theft,
property damage and arson, aggravated burglary, gang violence,
sexual assault etc.

I know people say jailing isn't effective, and often exacerbates the
already antisocial mindset of the offender, and can also lead to the
negative effects of contact with more hardened criminals.

But... jailing them undeniably prevents them from committing further
crimes against innocent parties. Which is why so often bail is a failure.
And isn't the protection of law abiding citizens and their property the
foremost factor here? It has to be.

Got to agree with that.

Yes. Geoff is close to the mark.
But it has to be taken further.
What's the point of a Gaol for 'anything',
if the Gaol isn't doing what it is supposed to do?
It's pretty sad for a Prison when the inmates are 'harder' than the Prison itself.

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Re: Another one
Reply #46 - Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:31pm

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:21pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:19am:

It's high time something more comprehensive was done about juvenile crime.

This is not a boy as they stated - he is a late teen - a young man... the punishment must fit the crime.

Courier Mail today - paywalled.

Quote:

‘KILLED BY A COWARD’
Murder charge for teen caught with 45cm knife
THOMAS CHAMBERLIN
YOUTH CRIME CRISIS: MAN STABBED WALKING HOME

A BOY has been charged with murdering a Wilston man by stabbing him to death less than a kilometre from his home in the upmarket inner Brisbane suburb.

Detective Superintendent Andrew Massingham said the man, 43, was found by a member of the public about 1.40am, directly opposite the
Wilston train station, with critical injuries. He died at the scene despite paramedics trying to save him. Ninety minutes before the man was found
– just after midnight – police arrested two teens who had come to the attention of officers on a nearby stretch of Newmarket Rd.

The boy, 17, was allegedly found with a 45cm knife, described by Superintendent Massingham as “almost a small machete”, which was in a
sheath hidden beneath his clothing.

He said the boy and a teenage girl – who was not charged over the death – were taken to a “place of safety”, as is procedure when locating juveniles.

They were later arrested at that address after the stabbed man was found.

Superintendent Massingham said the crime scene was horrific. “These cowardly attacks are abhorrent, no place for them in society,” he said.

Opposition Leader David Crisafulli called on Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk – who returns from holiday today – to recall parliament to
debate “the youth crime epidemic”.

No more talk/debate they been doing that for decades.

Time to put in place some serious consequences.

Ok you Unionised parasitic Yankee Prole.

A 'teenager' be they 11 or 19 are not young 'adults'.
They are still children or 'youth' or kids. A 19 year old is still a kid as much as a 13 year old is - both of whom are both 'teenagers' you numpty!
You obviously thought at 18-19 that you were an 'adult' like a premature ejaculation. Grin

Remember the saying, "The thoughts of youth, are long long thoughts"

Also - when it comes to dealing with 'youth/kids/teenies'.
Do you think its about handling the situation like Aussie with his BIG HANDS?
Another stupid Unionised 'cultural' failing?
Of course.
When some 'kid' - be they 13 or 19 tries to use their 'emotional blackmail' for violence against me. I've never, as a Man/Adult, had to use 'BIG HANDS' to deal with them.
The mere threat of my BIG FEMALE FRIEND T'UAFA coming to smash their heads in shuts them up big time because when it comes to Women giving kids a whacking - there is no 'emotional blackmail' involved. If big Mumma or Sister or even Female Cops, Security, etc come in swinging - then the kids are gonna cop a beating.
None of this 'big bully' Prison Men by the Media because they put bags over 'kids' who spit.

If a 19 year old in court said "That woman wacked me!" the Judge would laugh and say "Good - you deserved it!" Cool

But if a male adult did it - its 'abuse'. Angry

Especially as seen by the Media and Lefties.

...are you starting to get it Union boy?

...and if that 19 year old decides he can get away with abusing that female - then that's when an Adult Male can come in and deal whatever punishment he likes. Wink

STFU you wacked out imbecile.

Adults talking here.

Yeah - you're an Adult alright. A BIG HANDS bully of children Adult. Maybe if you made all those kids 'Union Members' things will aok - eh? Roll Eyes

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Re: Another one
Reply #47 - Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:33pm

Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:31pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:21pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:19am:

It's high time something more comprehensive was done about juvenile crime.

This is not a boy as they stated - he is a late teen - a young man... the punishment must fit the crime.

Courier Mail today - paywalled.

Quote:

‘KILLED BY A COWARD’
Murder charge for teen caught with 45cm knife
THOMAS CHAMBERLIN
YOUTH CRIME CRISIS: MAN STABBED WALKING HOME

A BOY has been charged with murdering a Wilston man by stabbing him to death less than a kilometre from his home in the upmarket inner Brisbane suburb.

Detective Superintendent Andrew Massingham said the man, 43, was found by a member of the public about 1.40am, directly opposite the
Wilston train station, with critical injuries. He died at the scene despite paramedics trying to save him. Ninety minutes before the man was found
– just after midnight – police arrested two teens who had come to the attention of officers on a nearby stretch of Newmarket Rd.

The boy, 17, was allegedly found with a 45cm knife, described by Superintendent Massingham as “almost a small machete”, which was in a
sheath hidden beneath his clothing.

He said the boy and a teenage girl – who was not charged over the death – were taken to a “place of safety”, as is procedure when locating juveniles.

They were later arrested at that address after the stabbed man was found.

Superintendent Massingham said the crime scene was horrific. “These cowardly attacks are abhorrent, no place for them in society,” he said.

Opposition Leader David Crisafulli called on Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk – who returns from holiday today – to recall parliament to
debate “the youth crime epidemic”.

No more talk/debate they been doing that for decades.

Time to put in place some serious consequences.

Ok you Unionised parasitic Yankee Prole.

A 'teenager' be they 11 or 19 are not young 'adults'.
They are still children or 'youth' or kids. A 19 year old is still a kid as much as a 13 year old is - both of whom are both 'teenagers' you numpty!
You obviously thought at 18-19 that you were an 'adult' like a premature ejaculation. Grin

Remember the saying, "The thoughts of youth, are long long thoughts"

Also - when it comes to dealing with 'youth/kids/teenies'.
Do you think its about handling the situation like Aussie with his BIG HANDS?
Another stupid Unionised 'cultural' failing?
Of course.
When some 'kid' - be they 13 or 19 tries to use their 'emotional blackmail' for violence against me. I've never, as a Man/Adult, had to use 'BIG HANDS' to deal with them.
The mere threat of my BIG FEMALE FRIEND T'UAFA coming to smash their heads in shuts them up big time because when it comes to Women giving kids a whacking - there is no 'emotional blackmail' involved. If big Mumma or Sister or even Female Cops, Security, etc come in swinging - then the kids are gonna cop a beating.
None of this 'big bully' Prison Men by the Media because they put bags over 'kids' who spit.

If a 19 year old in court said "That woman wacked me!" the Judge would laugh and say "Good - you deserved it!" Cool

But if a male adult did it - its 'abuse'. Angry

Especially as seen by the Media and Lefties.

...are you starting to get it Union boy?

...and if that 19 year old decides he can get away with abusing that female - then that's when an Adult Male can come in and deal whatever punishment he likes. Wink

STFU you wacked out imbecile.

Adults talking here.

Yeah - you're an Adult alright. A BIG HANDS bully of children Adult. Maybe if you made all those kids 'Union Members' things will aok - eh? Roll Eyes

Keep making up shyte ... it's all you're good at.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49342 Gender:	Re: Another one Reply #48 - Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:36pm You can't make anything up. You couldn't think for yourself if you tried.
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Re: Another one
Reply #49 - Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 8:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 2:22pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 2:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 2:09pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 2:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 12:04pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:55am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:43am:

Sophia wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:31am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:22am:

Kat wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 11:17am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:47am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:45am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:32am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 9:19am:

Time to put in place some serious consequences.

Do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?

Well the progressive softly softly counselling approach has been a dismal failure .....

the skyrocketing rate of juvenile crime is testament to that.

Yes, but do you believe harsher penalties will deter other would-be criminals?

It never has in the past, so why would it now?

Exactly.

US states which have the death penalty have higher murder rates than those which don't.

Harsher penalties are about revenge - they don't deter crime.

Unless I see stats or links to compare it… I ask… how can it be… harsher laws won’t deter criminal actions?
Does it all come down to each individual thinking it won’t happen to them?

US states which have the death penalty have higher murder rates than those which don't.

There is no harsher penalty than death so if harsh penalties actually deterred crime, murder wouldn't exist in the countries which have capital punishment.

Do harsher punishments deter crime?

It’s easy to think that the threat of punishment will simply dissuade someone from doing the wrong thing. But it turns out that deterring would-be criminals by instilling doubt or fear of the consequences is more tale than truth.

“Deterrence is very largely an article of faith,” says UNSW Law Emeritus Professor David Brown. “I call it sentencing’s dirty secret because it’s just assumed that there is deterrence … but what the research shows is that the system has little to no deterrent effect.”

The criminal justice researcher says harsher punishments, such as longer prison sentences, not only do not prevent crime but may actually have the opposite effect.

“What research is increasingly showing is that imprisonment itself and punishment more generally is actually criminogenic – it makes it more likely that people are going to re-offend,” he says.

Yeah ... so your stating the reasons why not.....

how about some answers as to how it can be reduced?

Increased police presence on the streets.

Increased public housing

Increased mental health services.

Increased drug & alcohol rehabilitation options.

A decrease in the availability of alcohol (e.g. reduced opening hours) and a rise in the legal drinking age.

Increase minimum age for dropping out of school.

these solutions are all "reactive"

They're preventative.

theres nothing as addicitve as something that 'almost works'

more cops , more mental health services, more education almost works.

but there arent enough cops and there isnt enough nerf in the world to make you completely safe.

so you need to take action and improve your skillset

Such a defeatist attitude.

Sad.

Did you notice the dishonest bustard moved the goal posts to 'completely safe' to pretend he had a point;D Grin

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #51 - Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 8:19pm

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 8:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 8:10pm:

Did you notice the dishonest bustard moved the goal posts to 'completely safe' to pretend hehada point;D Grin

Salavore Smiff enters the discission......

Ohh look, the nazi is here.

I'm waiting for you to suggest gas chambers for the kids sorend . I know you're thinking it

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49342 Gender:	Re: Another one Reply #52 - Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 8:19pm Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 8:16pm: John Smith wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 8:10pm: Did you notice the dishonest bustard moved the goal posts to 'completely safe' to pretend hehada point;D Salavore Smiff enters the discission......
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Reply #53 - Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 8:43pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 8:19pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 8:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 8:10pm:

Did you notice the dishonest bustard moved the goal posts to 'completely safe' to pretend hehada point;D Grin

Salavore Smiff enters the discission......

Ohh look, the nazi is here.

I'm waiting for you to suggest gas chambers for the kids sorend . I know you're thinking it

Penitenziagite, Salvatore!

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29863 Gender:	Re: Another one Reply #55 - Jan 24^th, 2023 at 3:31am Jasin wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:36pm: You can't make anything up. You couldn't think for yourself if you tried. Just quit while you're a head ... a dickhead.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 47525 Gender:	Re: Another one Reply #56 - Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:56am "Youth crime" invariably turns out to be young black/tinted crime everywhere - US, England, France, Sweden, Australia. It's never gangs of gingers. Ghetto culture. The tinted kids who don't join the ghetto culture of the gangs are in school doing ok. https://mobile.twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1617488325656416257
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Re: Another one
Reply #57 - Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:04am

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:03pm:

time to get back to some old style justice ... no matter how repugnant it is to all you lefty softcocks.

Presumably the Police Commissioner of Alice Springs is not a "lefty softcock".

Today on radio he identified welfare dependency as the cause of the social breakdown (and problems with camp-dwellers queuing up at dole withdrawal machines in the Alice at the same time etc).

He also said easing the alcohol restrictions has increased the violence.

He also said the jails are already full.

How does your "old style justice" fit into this scenario, based on welfare dependency?

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The general public shouldn't have to put up with the rates of criminal activity especially from juveniles.

But the general public deserve what they get, if they don't fix the welfare dependency, broken and unsafe homes for juveniles.

The existence of welfare dependency is a political choice made by the nation, rather than creating employment.

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Re: Another one
Reply #58 - Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:30am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:04am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:03pm:

time to get back to some old style justice ... no matter how repugnant it is to all you lefty softcocks.

Presumably the Police Commissioner of Alice Springs is not a "lefty softcock".

Today on radio he identified welfare dependency as the cause of the social breakdown (and problems with camp-dwellers queuing up at dole withdrawal machines in the Alice at the same time etc).

He also said easing the alcohol restrictions has increased the violence.

He also said the jails are already full.

How does your "old style justice" fit into this scenario, based on welfare dependency?

Quote:

The general public shouldn't have to put up with the rates of criminal activity especially from juveniles.

But the general public deserve what they get, if they don't fix the welfare dependency, broken and unsafe homes for juveniles.

The existence of welfare dependency is a political choice made by the nation, rather than creating employment.

If welfare dependence is their problem, cancel the welfare payments of the parents whose kids are out of control.
Dependency vanishes.

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Reply #59 - Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:50am

Frank wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:30am:

If welfare dependence is their problem, cancel the welfare payments of the parents whose kids are out of control.
Dependency vanishes.

I don't follow your reasoning: if you cancel welfare for people dependent on welfare, they starve.

Kids living in dysfunctional families is a separate (though related) problem.

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