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Re: Dutton calls for Royal Commission
Reply #45 - Jan 25^th, 2023 at 7:25am

mothra wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 6:19am:

It's an incredibly sad indictment on this forum that there are posters here who flatly refuse to acknowledge the existence of Stolen Generations.

Despite legal and parliamentary vindication ... despite countless testimonies of children ripped from loving families ... despite ALL EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY, they cling to the belief that it's a myth.

It's so sad it's tragic.

And when you weigh it all up, it's a whole lot of myths they are clinging to.

Anachronisms.

They were not stolen - they were not rescued.

They were the children of white men or Chinese men and had they not been taken into care they would have been murdered - or raped - or even eaten.

I was there and I saw it.

You are a deluded fool with no connection to reality.

The authorities still rescue children from Aborigines - even when Kevin Rudd was saying "Sorry" at that ceremony there were Government officials taking children from their mothers - who were unfit to have children and because the children were at risk.

You need serious psychiatric help.

I was there in Alice Springs when it was happening and saw it and was even involved - and those kids would have died.

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Re: Dutton calls for Royal Commission
Reply #46 - Jan 25^th, 2023 at 7:33am

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:24pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:40pm:

Nobody was stolen. Children of ALL races were removed from harm's way.

I'd have to disagree with this. Can you cite any other groups of
children that were systematically removed from their families in
Australia during the 19th and early 20th centuries?

Frank wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:40pm:

More Aboriginal kiddies were and ARE in harm's way than anyone else.

Do you have any links that would confirm this, or is this just your
opinion? How many Aboriginal kids today would you say are "in
harm's way"? The hundreds, the thousands? And how do you
define that harm—specifically, and supported by data?

There were 17,150 stolen generations survivors alive in 2018.
Around 33 per cent of adult Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander
people are descendants of stolen generations survivors.

The origins of the Stolen Generation (a highly emotive turn of phrase, totally non-objective and calculated to skewer perceptions)

https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/2901541

Rebuttals:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/inquirer/flawed-history-keeps-myth-alive...

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/18386801-the-fabrication-of-aboriginal-hi...

https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2010/01-02/why-there-were-no-stolen-generations...

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/history-wars/2010/05/peter-read-invents-the-stol...

Rejoinders:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-02-15/37108

https://socialism.com/fsb-article/in-denial-the-stolen-generations-and-the-right...

https://www.quarterlyessay.com.au/essay/2001/04/in-denial/extract

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Re: Dutton calls for Royal Commission
Reply #47 - Jan 25^th, 2023 at 7:38am

Frank wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 7:33am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:24pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:40pm:

Nobody was stolen. Children of ALL races were removed from harm's way.

I'd have to disagree with this. Can you cite any other groups of
children that were systematically removed from their families in
Australia during the 19th and early 20th centuries?

Frank wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:40pm:

More Aboriginal kiddies were and ARE in harm's way than anyone else.

Do you have any links that would confirm this, or is this just your
opinion? How many Aboriginal kids today would you say are "in
harm's way"? The hundreds, the thousands? And how do you
define that harm—specifically, and supported by data?

There were 17,150 stolen generations survivors alive in 2018.
Around 33 per cent of adult Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander
people are descendants of stolen generations survivors.

The origins of the Stolen Generation (a highly emotive turn of phrase, totally non-objective and calculated to skewer perceptions)

https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/2901541

Rebuttals:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/inquirer/flawed-history-keeps-myth-alive...

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/18386801-the-fabrication-of-aboriginal-hi...

https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2010/01-02/why-there-were-no-stolen-generations...

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/history-wars/2010/05/peter-read-invents-the-stol...

Rejoinders:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-02-15/37108

https://socialism.com/fsb-article/in-denial-the-stolen-generations-and-the-right...

https://www.quarterlyessay.com.au/essay/2001/04/in-denial/extract

Was it or was it not state sanctioned practice to remove Aboriginal children from their home units?

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Re: Dutton calls for Royal Commission
Reply #48 - Jan 25^th, 2023 at 7:48am

mothra wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 7:38am:

Was it or was it not state sanctioned practice to remove Aboriginal children from their home units?

Still is - for any number of solid reasons - and not one appeal against any current removal to safety has been overturned. It is state sanctioned practice and indeed policy to remove children from danger, neglect, abuse and a chosen lifestyle of disadvantage when it is clear that situation will harm those children.

Thank you for asking.... so do you imagine that somehow those conditions did not apply in the past, same as they do today, with 42.2% of removals from danger etc being Aboriginal children, all removed after an exhaustive and fully documented and supported process in order to prevent any future false claims?

Over to you.........

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Re: Dutton calls for Royal Commission
Reply #49 - Jan 25^th, 2023 at 7:50am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:39pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 7:39pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 7:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 7:05pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:37pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:56pm:

Anyone ever hear that story about a Queensland copper who used to drive Aboriginal kids way out into the bush, give them a bit of a hiding, and then let them walk back home?

Ah, here it is:

"There is a persistent rumour about Peter Dutton that needs to be confirmed - or denied. Did Peter Dutton, when he was a cop, take Aboriginal teenagers kilometres out of town and kick them out of the car, making them walk back to their homes with no shoes on?"

So taking them out bush & giving them a hiding.. in the stroke of 1 post turns into .....

taking them out of town & making them walk home.

phuckk you're a lying tnuc at times Peccar.

A bit of old style policing that myself & blokes a bit older ... all white .... were on the receiving end of when we were young & did stupid shyte.

It never turned any of us into criminals...

you lame softcock excuse making pathetic excusers of crime, violence, sexual abuse.

So the rumour is true?

He kidnapped children and abandoned them?

Is misrepresenting the truth a prerequisite of being an industrial advocate?

It's a question:

Is the rumour true - did he kidnap children and abandon them?

"There is a persistent rumour about Peter Dutton that needs to be confirmed - or denied. Did Peter Dutton, when he was a cop, take Aboriginal teenagers kilometres out of town and kick them out of the car, making them walk back to their homes with no shoes on?"

I dunno you're telling the story... who's the credible witness?

Anyway if he did .. why was it wrong? Who out there were they in danger from walking home?

Your first post accused him of taking them out bush & giving them a hiding ... is that true or were you lying?

I'm not accusing him of anything - I'm asking if the rumours are true.

I didn't start the rumours.

Moreover, kidnapping children and abandoning them is always wrong.

So, are the rumours true?

This is Peter Dutton.🤔
This pig who walked out during the National Apology to the Aboriginal people of Australia.
The same pig who when he was working as a police officer, he rounded up several Aboriginal boys, put them in the back of the paddy wagon, He then drove them far, far away from where they lived, drove them to an isolated place, removed their shoes and told them to get out of the paddy wagon and walk and find their way home.
He was slapped on the wrist for the offence of kidnapping Aboriginal children and abandoning them.
His work colleagues left tins of dog food on his desk as resignation ‘gifts’ as that’s what they thought of what he’d done.
And this guy is running to be the next Prime Minister of Australia.
IS THIS WHO YOU WANT RUNNING OUR COUNTRY?

Your first post you put up regarding your rumour.

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Re: Dutton calls for Royal Commission
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Anyone ever hear that story about a Queensland copper who used to drive Aboriginal kids way out into the bush, give them a bit of a hiding, and then let them walk back home?

...

And how would anyone here know it said rumour or the anonymous complainant were true?

So, it could be true?

The sun could have risen in the west yesterday, too........... on the same basis - move on ........

BTW - the moment some of the sources included primarily the 'human rights and equal opportunities commission' - clearly it was going to be a whitewash. The HREOC does not deal with human rights - it deals with claims of wrong by small social groups - i.e. often minor complaints of 'feeling', and the term 'equal opportunity' is among the most abused in history in its actual usage.... it is also staffed by virtually only those from 'aggrieved' groups.

In other words - it's like having a Jewish Court Of Just Treatment staffed only by Nazis = guaranteed outcomes. Lot of that going around.... up mountain and down dale.... when a small group raises a 'grievance' assemble the stakeholders... but make sure you exclude the majority stakeholders from any discussion even let alone input.

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Re: Dutton calls for Royal Commission
Reply #50 - Jan 25^th, 2023 at 7:51am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 7:48am:

mothra wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 7:38am:

Was it or was it not state sanctioned practice to remove Aboriginal children from their home units?

Still is - for any number of solid reasons - and not one appeal against any current removal to safety has been overturned. It is state sanctioned practice and indeed policy to remove children from danger, neglect, abuse and a chosen lifestyle of disadvantage when it is clear that situation will harm those children.

Thank you for asking.... so do you imagine that somehow those conditions did not apply in the past, same as they do today, with 42.2% of removals from danger etc being Aboriginal children, all removed after an exhaustive and fully documented and supported process in order to prevent any future false claims?

Over to you.........

The only thing more astonishing than yur ignorance is your conceit.

While all the world tells you you're wrong, you cling tenaciously to your prejudice.

All based on extremely limited education.

Meanwhile, the rest of us will keep on knowing you're wrong.

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Re: Dutton calls for Royal Commission
Reply #51 - Jan 25^th, 2023 at 7:53am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:27pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 7:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 4:38pm:

he had ten years to call for one. He was too busy lining his pockets

Dutton boycotted the apology for the Stolen Generation....How much does this right wing arsehole care about Aboriginal people as opposed to using them as a political wedge for his own self interest???

Roll Eyes

They Stolen Generation is a bs myth. Polesmokers like you lap it up.

There were plenty of other children removed from the families in the same time period.

No, the Stolen Generations is true. Is is only the deniers like who refuse to acknowledge it. You're afraid of what, exactly? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Stupid, spineless lies from hypocritical cockwombles like you.

Nobody was stolen. Children of ALL races were removed from harm's way. More Aboriginal kiddies were and ARE in harm's way than anyone else. It is much worse to leave them with abusive, predatory or neglecting families, you po-faced idiotic ijit.

Roll your eyes, yawn, tu-tut - and bugger off, you dork.

How many Danish kids were stolen, Soren? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

A moronic question, exactly what we have come to expect from spineless, mindless Doktor Bbwian.

Nobody was 'stolen', cockwomble. That is an idiotic, emotive way of dealing with the issue.

All modern civilisations encountering primitive societies had to deal with the problem of of half cast children and their mothers rejected by their tribal societies - Canada, Australia, Denmark in Greenland, NZ.

Over 130,000 white British children were also sent to Canada, Australia, NZ and SA for a better life in the first half of the last century.
Nothing to do with race.

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Re: Dutton calls for Royal Commission
Reply #52 - Jan 25^th, 2023 at 7:57am

Frank wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 7:53am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 8:27pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 7:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 4:38pm:

he had ten years to call for one. He was too busy lining his pockets

Dutton boycotted the apology for the Stolen Generation....How much does this right wing arsehole care about Aboriginal people as opposed to using them as a political wedge for his own self interest???

Roll Eyes

They Stolen Generation is a bs myth. Polesmokers like you lap it up.

There were plenty of other children removed from the families in the same time period.

No, the Stolen Generations is true. Is is only the deniers like who refuse to acknowledge it. You're afraid of what, exactly? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Stupid, spineless lies from hypocritical cockwombles like you.

Nobody was stolen. Children of ALL races were removed from harm's way. More Aboriginal kiddies were and ARE in harm's way than anyone else. It is much worse to leave them with abusive, predatory or neglecting families, you po-faced idiotic ijit.

Roll your eyes, yawn, tu-tut - and bugger off, you dork.

How many Danish kids were stolen, Soren? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

A moronic question, exactly what we have come to expect from spineless, mindless Doktor Bbwian.

Nobody was 'stolen', cockwomble. That is an idiotic, emotive way of dealing with the issue.

All modern civilisations encountering primitive societies had to deal with the problem of of half cast children and their mothers rejected by their tribal societies - Canada, Australia, Denmark in Greenland, NZ.

Over 130,000 white British children were also sent to Canada, Australia, NZ and SA for a better life in the first half of the last century.
Nothing to do with race.

So offensive.

So oblivious to the reasons why.

Loved children were STOLEN. We've proven that. Unquestionably.

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Re: Dutton calls for Royal Commission
Reply #53 - Jan 25^th, 2023 at 8:09am

mothra wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 7:51am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 7:48am:

mothra wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 7:38am:

Was it or was it not state sanctioned practice to remove Aboriginal children from their home units?

Still is - for any number of solid reasons - and not one appeal against any current removal to safety has been overturned. It is state sanctioned practice and indeed policy to remove children from danger, neglect, abuse and a chosen lifestyle of disadvantage when it is clear that situation will harm those children.

Thank you for asking.... so do you imagine that somehow those conditions did not apply in the past, same as they do today, with 42.2% of removals from danger etc being Aboriginal children, all removed after an exhaustive and fully documented and supported process in order to prevent any future false claims?

Over to you.........

The only thing more astonishing than yur ignorance is your conceit.

While all the world tells you you're wrong, you cling tenaciously to your prejudice.

All based on extremely limited education.

Meanwhile, the rest of us will keep on knowing you're wrong.

So you deny that 42.2% of currently removed children are Aboriginal? Clearly it is YOUR education that is lacking, fanatic.

Are you in any way capable of refuting facts and figures with anything but your usual ad homs and attempted and very puerile slights? Clearly you also need therapy - and whatever 'education' you've had is dismal to say the least.

The world tells you YOU are wrong... every time.

Go and get help.... you need it.

Now then - about that 42.2% of the 42,000 children being Aboriginal - how do YOU work that one out? Give it a go...

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Re: Dutton calls for Royal Commission
Reply #54 - Jan 25^th, 2023 at 8:15am

mothra wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 7:57am: