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Re: Our Liberal Friends Have Learned Nothing
Reply #30 - Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:42am

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:05pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 1:18pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:03am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 10:48pm:

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Health Care for Profit. Honey, if you want affordable health care then get the government out of health care.

The US with the most privatised system is by far the most expensive in the world rather questions this position. The US is the only first world country with third world health care.

Actually our medical care is the best in the World, that is why you have to pay for it. World Leaders come here when no one else can help them!

Yes while your own people are dying unable to afford care.

That isn't true, there are charity hospitals to care for those who can't afford it. Even the for profit Hospitals will not turn anyone away. If you can't pay you will be transported elsewhere when it is safe to be moved.

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100 million people in America are saddled with medical debt
"The U.S. health system now produces debt on a mass scale, a new investigation shows. Patients across the country face gut-wrenching sacrifices".

Almost a third of Americans are saddled with massive medical debt? Nope! How can they be both refused medical care because they can't afford to pay and have massive medical debt from their medical care? Think people, don't just take the media's word for it.

He's got you there, Dnarever. If hospital administrators want to move you to a bus shelter, they're perfectly entitled under the law, no,?

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Reply #31 - Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:26am

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:01am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:25pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:05pm:

100 million people in America are saddled with medical debt: "The U.S. health system now produces debt on a mass scale, a new investigation shows. Patients across the country face gut-wrenching sacrifices".

Almost a third of Americans are saddled with massive medical debt? Nope! How can they be both refused medical care because they can't afford to pay and have massive medical debt from their medical care? Think people, don't just take the media's word for it.

Er, low IQ or just deplorably blind?

1. 1/3 have medical debt.

2. The same 1/3 weren't refused medical care, they received it and are now in debt.

3. the people who delayed getting health care (and died) because they couldn't afford to pay (or go into debt) refers to a different cohort.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/07/americans-healthcare-medical-cos...

The Americans dying because they can't afford medical care

That is two thirds of all Americans. A little critical thinking is in order bud! Where can I find this two thirds of Americans to prove you right?

Low IQ, I suppose....

1. 1/3 are in medical debt. 2/3 are not.

2. Of that 2/3, many aren't able to afford to access health care because they can't go into debt (insufficient income to ever repay the debt).

(from the linked article)

"A 2009 study conducted by researchers at Harvard Medical School found 45,000 Americans die every year as a direct result of not having any health insurance coverage. In 2018, 27.8 million Americans went without any health insurance for the entire year."

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Re: Our Liberal Friends Have Learned Nothing
Reply #32 - Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:44pm

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 10:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:05am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 10:46pm:

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Climate Change. Don't you lefties understand that climate change is just as much of a fake

Garbage.

Climate Change is a Religion, not a Science!

Actually, I'd say climate-change-denial is a religion. All the science backs the climate-change side of the argument, it is the deniers who are acting like religious believers who refuse to look at the facts. Roll Eyes

If you believe that get all your friends to join you and drive half as often and stop keeping your homes at a comfortable temperature. Then worship at the feet of people like Al Gore who owns five large homes and fly's around in his personal jet while lecturing the rest of you about your carbon footprint!

Save the planet by eating bugs and owning nothing while the Elite own it all. Kind of like a Monarchy isn't it.

If you heated your home to a reasonable temperature you'd save America a bundle. The operative word is "reasonable" - it means you need to wear a jumper inside and out... Mort, you are to used to comfort. Get over it. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Our Liberal Friends Have Learned Nothing
Reply #33 - Jan 28^th, 2023 at 2:19pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:05am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 10:46pm:

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Climate Change. Don't you lefties understand that climate change is just as much of a fake

Garbage.

Climate Change is a Religion, not a Science!

All the science backs the climate-change side of the argument, it is the deniers who are acting like religious believers who refuse to look at the facts. Roll Eyes

Not true at all, Bbwian.

Not all science backs the "anthropogenic CO2 causes climate change" theory.

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Re: Our Liberal Friends Have Learned Nothing
Reply #34 - Jan 28^th, 2023 at 9:51pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:44pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 10:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:05am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 10:46pm:

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Climate Change. Don't you lefties understand that climate change is just as much of a fake

Garbage.

Climate Change is a Religion, not a Science!

Actually, I'd say climate-change-denial is a religion. All the science backs the climate-change side of the argument, it is the deniers who are acting like religious believers who refuse to look at the facts. Roll Eyes

If you believe that get all your friends to join you and drive half as often and stop keeping your homes at a comfortable temperature. Then worship at the feet of people like Al Gore who owns five large homes and fly's around in his personal jet while lecturing the rest of you about your carbon footprint!

Save the planet by eating bugs and owning nothing while the Elite own it all. Kind of like a Monarchy isn't it.

If you heated your home to a reasonable temperature you'd save America a bundle. The operative word is "reasonable" - it means you need to wear a jumper inside and out... Mort, you are to used to comfort. Get over it. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I heat my home to 68 degrees (20degress to you) in winter and 76 degrees (24degrees to you) in summer. I don't own a private jet to travel around the World to lecture the simple people about their carbon footprint and I have never been invited to Davos to plan the lives of other people. Now if we could just get carbon filters on those volcanoes.

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Re: Our Liberal Friends Have Learned Nothing
Reply #35 - Jan 28^th, 2023 at 10:04pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:01am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:25pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:05pm:

100 million people in America are saddled with medical debt: "The U.S. health system now produces debt on a mass scale, a new investigation shows. Patients across the country face gut-wrenching sacrifices".

Almost a third of Americans are saddled with massive medical debt? Nope! How can they be both refused medical care because they can't afford to pay and have massive medical debt from their medical care? Think people, don't just take the media's word for it.

Er, low IQ or just deplorably blind?

1. 1/3 have medical debt.

2. The same 1/3 weren't refused medical care, they received it and are now in debt.

3. the people who delayed getting health care (and died) because they couldn't afford to pay (or go into debt) refers to a different cohort.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/07/americans-healthcare-medical-cos...

The Americans dying because they can't afford medical care

That is two thirds of all Americans. A little critical thinking is in order bud! Where can I find this two thirds of Americans to prove you right?

Low IQ, I suppose....

1. 1/3 are in medical debt. 2/3 are not.

2. Of that 2/3, many aren't able to afford to access health care because they can't go into debt (insufficient income to ever repay the debt).

(from the linked article)

"A 2009 study conducted by researchers at Harvard Medical School found 45,000 Americans die every year as a direct result of not having any health insurance coverage. In 2018, 27.8 million Americans went without any health insurance for the entire year."

People decline medical treatment until their conditions worsen in many cases out of fear something serious is wrong with them. We have free clinics and charity hospitals for those who can't afford to pay. Claims that people are refused because of an inability to pay are false!

The majority of medical costs for almost everyone is in the last six months of life. Regardless of how well that care is they die. As I will say again "statistics don't lie but you can lie with statistics"! Americans are not dying for lack of medical care available to them.

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Re: Our Liberal Friends Have Learned Nothing
Reply #36 - Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:33pm

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 10:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:01am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:25pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:05pm:

100 million people in America are saddled with medical debt: "The U.S. health system now produces debt on a mass scale, a new investigation shows. Patients across the country face gut-wrenching sacrifices".

Almost a third of Americans are saddled with massive medical debt? Nope! How can they be both refused medical care because they can't afford to pay and have massive medical debt from their medical care? Think people, don't just take the media's word for it.

Er, low IQ or just deplorably blind?

1. 1/3 have medical debt.

2. The same 1/3 weren't refused medical care, they received it and are now in debt.

3. the people who delayed getting health care (and died) because they couldn't afford to pay (or go into debt) refers to a different cohort.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/07/americans-healthcare-medical-cos...

The Americans dying because they can't afford medical care

That is two thirds of all Americans. A little critical thinking is in order bud! Where can I find this two thirds of Americans to prove you right?

Low IQ, I suppose....

1. 1/3 are in medical debt. 2/3 are not.

2. Of that 2/3, many aren't able to afford to access health care because they can't go into debt (insufficient income to ever repay the debt).

(from the linked article)

"A 2009 study conducted by researchers at Harvard Medical School found 45,000 Americans die every year as a direct result of not having any health insurance coverage. In 2018, 27.8 million Americans went without any health insurance for the entire year."

People decline medical treatment until their conditions worsen in many cases out of fear something serious is wrong with them. We have free clinics and charity hospitals for those who can't afford to pay. Claims that people are refused because of an inability to pay are false!

The majority of medical costs for almost everyone is in the last six months of life. Regardless of how well that care is they die. As I will say again "statistics don't lie but you can lie with statistics"! Americans are not dying for lack of medical care available to them.

Exactly. I believe you have free medical in your jails too, Mort.

What are the leftards complaining about? If people ever get sick, they can always go to jail, right?

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Re: Our Liberal Friends Have Learned Nothing
Reply #37 - Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:35pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:33pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 10:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:01am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:25pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:05pm:

100 million people in America are saddled with medical debt: "The U.S. health system now produces debt on a mass scale, a new investigation shows. Patients across the country face gut-wrenching sacrifices".

Almost a third of Americans are saddled with massive medical debt? Nope! How can they be both refused medical care because they can't afford to pay and have massive medical debt from their medical care? Think people, don't just take the media's word for it.

Er, low IQ or just deplorably blind?

1. 1/3 have medical debt.

2. The same 1/3 weren't refused medical care, they received it and are now in debt.

3. the people who delayed getting health care (and died) because they couldn't afford to pay (or go into debt) refers to a different cohort.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/07/americans-healthcare-medical-cos...

The Americans dying because they can't afford medical care

That is two thirds of all Americans. A little critical thinking is in order bud! Where can I find this two thirds of Americans to prove you right?

Low IQ, I suppose....

1. 1/3 are in medical debt. 2/3 are not.

2. Of that 2/3, many aren't able to afford to access health care because they can't go into debt (insufficient income to ever repay the debt).

(from the linked article)

"A 2009 study conducted by researchers at Harvard Medical School found 45,000 Americans die every year as a direct result of not having any health insurance coverage. In 2018, 27.8 million Americans went without any health insurance for the entire year."

People decline medical treatment until their conditions worsen in many cases out of fear something serious is wrong with them. We have free clinics and charity hospitals for those who can't afford to pay. Claims that people are refused because of an inability to pay are false!

The majority of medical costs for almost everyone is in the last six months of life. Regardless of how well that care is they die. As I will say again "statistics don't lie but you can lie with statistics"! Americans are not dying for lack of medical care available to them.

Exactly. I believe you have free medical in your jails too, Mort.

What are the leftards complaining about? If people ever get sick, they can always go to jail, right?

What a silly statement!

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Re: Our Liberal Friends Have Learned Nothing
Reply #38 - Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:45pm

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:35pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:33pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 10:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:01am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:25pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:05pm:

100 million people in America are saddled with medical debt: "The U.S. health system now produces debt on a mass scale, a new investigation shows. Patients across the country face gut-wrenching sacrifices".

Almost a third of Americans are saddled with massive medical debt? Nope! How can they be both refused medical care because they can't afford to pay and have massive medical debt from their medical care? Think people, don't just take the media's word for it.

Er, low IQ or just deplorably blind?

1. 1/3 have medical debt.

2. The same 1/3 weren't refused medical care, they received it and are now in debt.

3. the people who delayed getting health care (and died) because they couldn't afford to pay (or go into debt) refers to a different cohort.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/07/americans-healthcare-medical-cos...

The Americans dying because they can't afford medical care

That is two thirds of all Americans. A little critical thinking is in order bud! Where can I find this two thirds of Americans to prove you right?

Low IQ, I suppose....

1. 1/3 are in medical debt. 2/3 are not.

2. Of that 2/3, many aren't able to afford to access health care because they can't go into debt (insufficient income to ever repay the debt).

(from the linked article)

"A 2009 study conducted by researchers at Harvard Medical School found 45,000 Americans die every year as a direct result of not having any health insurance coverage. In 2018, 27.8 million Americans went without any health insurance for the entire year."

People decline medical treatment until their conditions worsen in many cases out of fear something serious is wrong with them. We have free clinics and charity hospitals for those who can't afford to pay. Claims that people are refused because of an inability to pay are false!

The majority of medical costs for almost everyone is in the last six months of life. Regardless of how well that care is they die. As I will say again "statistics don't lie but you can lie with statistics"! Americans are not dying for lack of medical care available to them.

Exactly. I believe you have free medical in your jails too, Mort.

What are the leftards complaining about? If people ever get sick, they can always go to jail, right?

What a silly statement!

Well, it's true. It's probably easier to drive over the border to get your meds in Canada, but if you want decent mental health care, you can always smash a politician's husband's scull in with a hammer, no?

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Reply #39 - Jan 29^th, 2023 at 1:10pm

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 10:04pm:

People decline medical treatment until their conditions worsen in many cases out of fear something serious is wrong with them.

When they know they can't afford the cost of treatment.....

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We have free clinics and charity hospitals for those who can't afford to pay. Claims that people are refused because of an inability to pay are false!

So why are 45,000 dying each year because they can't afford health insurance, or health treatment.

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The majority of medical costs for almost everyone is in the last six months of life. Regardless of how well that care is they die. As I will say again "statistics don't lie but you can lie with statistics"! Americans are not dying for lack of medical care available to them.

That's mostly for the insured rich on whom a fortune is spent on high-tech medicine, trying to remain alive at the end of their lives.

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Reply #40 - Jan 29^th, 2023 at 2:37pm

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:44pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 10:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:05am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 10:46pm:

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Climate Change. Don't you lefties understand that climate change is just as much of a fake

Garbage.

Climate Change is a Religion, not a Science!

Actually, I'd say climate-change-denial is a religion. All the science backs the climate-change side of the argument, it is the deniers who are acting like religious believers who refuse to look at the facts. Roll Eyes

If you believe that get all your friends to join you and drive half as often and stop keeping your homes at a comfortable temperature. Then worship at the feet of people like Al Gore who owns five large homes and fly's around in his personal jet while lecturing the rest of you about your carbon footprint!

Save the planet by eating bugs and owning nothing while the Elite own it all. Kind of like a Monarchy isn't it.

If you heated your home to a reasonable temperature you'd save America a bundle. The operative word is "reasonable" - it means you need to wear a jumper inside and out... Mort, you are to used to comfort. Get over it. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I heat my home to 68 degrees (20degress to you) in winter and 76 degrees (24degrees to you) in summer. I don't own a private jet to travel around the World to lecture the simple people about their carbon footprint and I have never been invited to Davos to plan the lives of other people. Now if we could just get carbon filters on those volcanoes.

If you heated your home to a moderated degree (ie 55 degrees in winter and didn't cool it in summer, say by opening windows/doors) you might save several hundred tonnes of coal every year. You come on here all the time, telling people downunder how to live their lives and what they should believe, why? Does it make you feel good? It annoys us, which is of course your ultimate aim, now isn't it. Stop living in a fantasy world and face reality! Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #41 - Jan 29^th, 2023 at 5:36pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 2:37pm:

If you heated your home to a moderated degree (ie 55 degrees in winter and didn't cool it in summer, say by opening windows/doors) you might save several hundred tonnes of coal every year. You come on here all the time, telling people downunder how to live their lives and what they should believe, why? Does it make you feel good? It annoys us, which is of course your ultimate aim, now isn't it. Stop living in a fantasy world and face reality! Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Listen to you, pompous pain in the arse! You alone do the work of a dozen annoying posturing idiots, you Stakhanovite cockwomble!

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Reply #43 - Jan 29^th, 2023 at 10:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 2:37pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:44pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 10:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:05am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 10:46pm:

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Climate Change. Don't you lefties understand that climate change is just as much of a fake

Garbage.

Climate Change is a Religion, not a Science!

Actually, I'd say climate-change-denial is a religion. All the science backs the climate-change side of the argument, it is the deniers who are acting like religious believers who refuse to look at the facts. Roll Eyes

If you believe that get all your friends to join you and drive half as often and stop keeping your homes at a comfortable temperature. Then worship at the feet of people like Al Gore who owns five large homes and fly's around in his personal jet while lecturing the rest of you about your carbon footprint!

Save the planet by eating bugs and owning nothing while the Elite own it all. Kind of like a Monarchy isn't it.

If you heated your home to a reasonable temperature you'd save America a bundle. The operative word is "reasonable" - it means you need to wear a jumper inside and out... Mort, you are to used to comfort. Get over it. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I heat my home to 68 degrees (20degress to you) in winter and 76 degrees (24degrees to you) in summer. I don't own a private jet to travel around the World to lecture the simple people about their carbon footprint and I have never been invited to Davos to plan the lives of other people. Now if we could just get carbon filters on those volcanoes.

If you heated your home to a moderated degree (ie 55 degrees in winter and didn't cool it in summer, say by opening windows/doors) you might save several hundred tonnes of coal every year. You come on here all the time, telling people downunder how to live their lives and what they should believe, why? Does it make you feel good? It annoys us, which is of course your ultimate aim, now isn't it. Stop living in a fantasy world and face reality! Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Our Power Plants are run on Natural Gas, not coal. Somewhere there are still coal fired plants but I don't know of any They can even be identified by the lack of a conveyor or just their low profile. If I kept my home at 55 in Winter my birds who I refer to as the "Democrats" would die. I call them that because they are totally dependent on my care and squawk almost all the time. If I slept with my windows open in the Summer mosquitos would make nights very uncomfortable. I love my HVAC System.

I would say my telling others how to live is called "tit for tat", I'm just trying to help. You may not have ever been exposed to people that think for themselves and outside the box, so to speak. I do find objections to my beliefs and adoration of your betters entertaining. The traditional definition of Liberal is not what is practiced currently here. Our liberals are very authoritarian and cling to a strong code of the ends justify the means and double standards. The Libertarians are what liberal was in the distant past. I consider myself Libertarian but know I don't agree with everything they do either. I see some of their beliefs as destructive like open borders!

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Reply #44 - Jan 30^th, 2023 at 11:13am

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 10:31pm:

Our Power Plants are run on Natural Gas, not coal. Somewhere there are still coal fired plants but I don't know of any They can even be identified by the lack of a conveyor or just their low profile. If I kept my home at 55 in Winter my birds who I refer to as the "Democrats" would die. I call them that because they are totally dependent on my care and squawk almost all the time. If I slept with my windows open in the Summer mosquitos would make nights very uncomfortable. I love my HVAC System.

We have these marvelous inventions Downunder call, "flyscreens" you can have your windows open and no insect can get in. Beautiful cool breezes in summer and no mosquitos/flies in sight. Funny how you resort to the electrical powered solution, hey, Mort?

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I would say my telling others how to live is called "tit for tat", I'm just trying to help. You may not have ever been exposed to people that think for themselves and outside the box, so to speak. I do find objections to my beliefs and adoration of your betters entertaining. The traditional definition of Liberal is not what is practiced currently here. Our liberals are very authoritarian and cling to a strong code of the ends justify the means and double standards. The Libertarians are what liberal was in the distant past. I consider myself Libertarian but know I don't agree with everything they do either. I see some of their beliefs as destructive like open borders!

When you learn about the realities of living in a normal world, get back to me. You know, the world where you have Government intervention in the economy, where you have managed health care, unemployment benefits, etc. When you have a higher Freedom Rating from Freedom House, you can talk, Mort. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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