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Reply #45 - Jan 31^st, 2023 at 11:58am

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Mortdooley wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 10:31pm:

Our Power Plants are run on Natural Gas, not coal. Somewhere there are still coal fired plants but I don't know of any They can even be identified by the lack of a conveyor or just their low profile. If I kept my home at 55 in Winter my birds who I refer to as the "Democrats" would die. I call them that because they are totally dependent on my care and squawk almost all the time. If I slept with my windows open in the Summer mosquitos would make nights very uncomfortable. I love my HVAC System.

We have these marvelous inventions Downunder call, "flyscreens" you can have your windows open and no insect can get in. Beautiful cool breezes in summer and no mosquitos/flies in sight. Funny how you resort to the electrical powered solution, hey, Mort?

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I would say my telling others how to live is called "tit for tat", I'm just trying to help. You may not have ever been exposed to people that think for themselves and outside the box, so to speak. I do find objections to my beliefs and adoration of your betters entertaining. The traditional definition of Liberal is not what is practiced currently here. Our liberals are very authoritarian and cling to a strong code of the ends justify the means and double standards. The Libertarians are what liberal was in the distant past. I consider myself Libertarian but know I don't agree with everything they do either. I see some of their beliefs as destructive like open borders!

When you learn about the realities of living in a normal world, get back to me. You know, the world where you have Government intervention in the economy, where you have managed health care, unemployment benefits, etc. When you have a higher Freedom Rating from Freedom House, you can talk, Mort. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #46 - Jan 31^st, 2023 at 10:31pm

/Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 11:13am:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 10:31pm:

Our Power Plants are run on Natural Gas, not coal. Somewhere there are still coal fired plants but I don't know of any They can even be identified by the lack of a conveyor or just their low profile. If I kept my home at 55 in Winter my birds who I refer to as the "Democrats" would die. I call them that because they are totally dependent on my care and squawk almost all the time. If I slept with my windows open in the Summer mosquitos would make nights very uncomfortable. I love my HVAC System.

We have these marvelous inventions Downunder call, "flyscreens" you can have your windows open and no insect can get in. Beautiful cool breezes in summer and no mosquitos/flies in sight. Funny how you resort to the electrical powered solution, hey, Mort?

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I would say my telling others how to live is called "tit for tat", I'm just trying to help. You may not have ever been exposed to people that think for themselves and outside the box, so to speak. I do find objections to my beliefs and adoration of your betters entertaining. The traditional definition of Liberal is not what is practiced currently here. Our liberals are very authoritarian and cling to a strong code of the ends justify the means and double standards. The Libertarians are what liberal was in the distant past. I consider myself Libertarian but know I don't agree with everything they do either. I see some of their beliefs as destructive like open borders!

When you learn about the realities of living in a normal world, get back to me. You know, the world where you have Government intervention in the economy, where you have managed health care, unemployment benefits, etc. When you have a higher Freedom Rating from Freedom House, you can talk, Mort. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You don't have to worry about my energy usage for heating and cooling, the pump on my swimming pool uses more most months.

The normal World left a long time ago. We definitely have intervention in the economy, it is called inflation. It hurts the poor more than anyone. I have found the cost of health care here is fairly low, the cost of the monthly premiums to be insured is the problem. We can afford it, for others it is a financial drain they can ill afford. Illegal Aliens using our Emergency Rooms as their personal Clinics have caused many Hospital to go out of business because they couldn't meet expenses after being required to give free care to so many. Unemployment benefits are based on the individuals wages during the claims period, it isn't a free ride because someone doesn't have a job. Otherwise is is just Welfare.

Freedom house uses a set of standards that are less then friendly to individuals. They could be better described as the judge of which country is the New Sodom and Gomorra! Canada is considered more free then the United States however the power of their dictatorial Prime Minister seems unlimited. In one day, unilaterally: The Act, issued on Monday, gives the federal government broad power to restore order. It threatens to tow away vehicles to keep essential services running; freeze truckers’ personal and corporate bank accounts; and take further action to strike at their livelihoods The Citizens wanted covid restrictions dropped and it was their way to get the attention of their government. The government response was if they didn't comply government would seize as many of their assets as it wanted until the Truckers submitted! That isn't freedom! New Zealand isn't any better, with the stroke of a pen their Prime Minster can enact a ruling making something illegal that was legal the day before. I read the individual reasons for them to rate Countries based on their interpretations and there isn't another Country in the World I would want to move to permanently. I could enjoy an extended stay in the Countries of Western Europe I've visited but only for a while.

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Reply #47 - Feb 1^st, 2023 at 12:40pm

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 10:31pm:

You don't have to worry about my energy usage for heating and cooling, the pump on my swimming pool uses more most months.

The normal World left a long time ago. We definitely have intervention in the economy, it is called inflation. It hurts the poor more than anyone. I have found the cost of health care here is fairly low, the cost of the monthly premiums to be insured is the problem. We can afford it, for others it is a financial drain they can ill afford. Illegal Aliens using our Emergency Rooms as their personal Clinics have caused many Hospital to go out of business because they couldn't meet expenses after being required to give free care to so many. Unemployment benefits are based on the individuals wages during the claims period, it isn't a free ride because someone doesn't have a job. Otherwise is is just Welfare.

Welfare, as you call it, keeps people alive. Welfare, as you call it, so dismissively allows them to pay for medicine, food, school for their children, etc. Of course you blame illegal Aliens for the loss of hospitals rather than a dysfunctional social system which fails society as a whole because it is easier than accepting the blame yourself. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Freedom house uses a set of standards that are less then friendly to individuals. They could be better described as the judge of which country is the New Sodom and Gomorra! Canada is considered more free then the United States however the power of their dictatorial Prime Minister seems unlimited. In one day, unilaterally: The Act, issued on Monday, gives the federal government broad power to restore order. It threatens to tow away vehicles to keep essential services running; freeze truckers’ personal and corporate bank accounts; and take further action to strike at their livelihoods The Citizens wanted covid restrictions dropped and it was their way to get the attention of their government. The government response was if they didn't comply government would seize as many of their assets as it wanted until the Truckers submitted! That isn't freedom! New Zealand isn't any better, with the stroke of a pen their Prime Minster can enact a ruling making something illegal that was legal the day before. I read the individual reasons for them to rate Countries based on their interpretations and there isn't another Country in the World I would want to move to permanently. I could enjoy an extended stay in the Countries of Western Europe I've visited but only for a while.

The reality is that any act that is passed in Canada or any other parliamentary democracy has to pass Parliament before it is enacted. The people's representatives have to pass the act democratically, just like the US does with it's congress and senate. Freedom House takes into account the freedoms that individual enjoy and guess what? The US loses compared to Australia, New Zealand and Canada. Time to grow up, Mort, accept that the US is not as free as you believe. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #49 - Feb 1^st, 2023 at 2:36pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 1:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 11:13am:

We have these marvelous inventions Downunder call, "flyscreens" you can have your windows open and no insect can get in.

Flyscreens will make the bullet proof glass obsolete

Good point, JS. Mort's going to need bullet-proofing too.

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Reply #50 - Feb 1^st, 2023 at 9:28pm

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Welfare, as you call it, keeps people alive. Welfare, as you call it, so dismissively allows them to pay for medicine, food, school for their children, etc . Of course you blame illegal Aliens for the loss of hospitals rather than a dysfunctional social system which fails society as a whole because it is easier than accepting the blame yourself.

Your point is that welfare allows people to pay for everything with money from the taxpayers! Where we differ is that I am a "hand up" person and you are a "hand out" person. What can they do to become productive and can we help? Not here is a steady income that may even become generational, because we care! They have no feeling of "shame" about living off the charity of others, or they would do something about it! Hospitals are businesses and when their expenses exceed their income for too long they close.

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The reality is that any act that is passed in Canada or any other parliamentary democracy has to pass Parliament before it is enacted. The people's representatives have to pass the act democratically, just like the US does with it's congress and senate. Freedom House takes into account the freedoms that individual enjoy and guess what? The US loses compared to Australia, New Zealand and Canada. Time to grow up, Mort, accept that the US is not as free as you believe.

The US isn't as free as it once was but is still less intrusive than anywhere else. So far I can't be fined or prosecuted for something I post online. We do have a lot of political censorship but that is the result of liberal ownership of sites, not actual government decree.

British Police Arrest At Least 3,395 People for ‘Offensive’ Online Comments in One Year

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I'm not a fan of Canada's price controls either. Let the seller set the price of his goods and services. Last Fall the price of gasoline was $1.79ca per liter everywhere because the government set the price. It did nothing to bring the fuel to the pump but couldn't just add tax to the price, it had to control the price as well.

Freedom House seems to consider lax laws, acceptance of perversions and dishonesty a form of freedom.

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Reply #51 - Feb 2^nd, 2023 at 1:56pm

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 9:28pm:

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Welfare, as you call it, keeps people alive. Welfare, as you call it, so dismissively allows them to pay for medicine, food, school for their children, etc . Of course you blame illegal Aliens for the loss of hospitals rather than a dysfunctional social system which fails society as a whole because it is easier than accepting the blame yourself.

Your point is that welfare allows people to pay for everything with money from the taxpayers! Where we differ is that I am a "hand up" person and you are a "hand out" person. What can they do to become productive and can we help? Not here is a steady income that may even become generational, because we care! They have no feeling of "shame" about living off the charity of others, or they would do something about it! Hospitals are businesses and when their expenses exceed their income for too long they close.

Oh, I believe we should be giving people a "hand up" out of poverty, Mort, most definitely. I just do not believe in condemning people because they receive welfare like you and most conservatives do. You seem to blame people for circumstances beyond their control. It isn't their fault that they are made unemployed, yet you seem to condemn them for it. They deserve help to get them out of their predicament rather than condemnation.

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The reality is that any act that is passed in Canada or any other parliamentary democracy has to pass Parliament before it is enacted. The people's representatives have to pass the act democratically, just like the US does with it's congress and senate. Freedom House takes into account the freedoms that individual enjoy and guess what? The US loses compared to Australia, New Zealand and Canada. Time to grow up, Mort, accept that the US is not as free as you believe.

The US isn't as free as it once was but is still less intrusive than anywhere else.

That you know of or accept. You have a very narrow band of experience, Mort. There are societies outside of it.

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So far I can't be fined or prosecuted for something I post online. We do have a lot of political censorship but that is the result of liberal ownership of sites, not actual government decree.

Downunder, we experience only right-wing news, in the main, all owned by one owner, Rupert Murdock. He dominates the media landscape downunder. You'd be happy reading only right-wing news. Thankfully we have the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Company) and SBS (Special Broadcasting Service) as alternatives, plus of course the Gruinard (Guardian). Of course you'd more than likely would prefer the extreme Right-wing sites like Sky News, owned also by Rupert. Thankfully we don't have anything as stupid as Breitbart or Fox News here.

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British Police Arrest At Least 3,395 People for ‘Offensive’ Online Comments in One Year

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Oh, dear. You'd hate ABC - the most trusted news site downunder...

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I'm not a fan of Canada's price controls either. Let the seller set the price of his goods and services. Last Fall the price of gasoline was $1.79ca per liter everywhere because the government set the price. It did nothing to bring the fuel to the pump but couldn't just add tax to the price, it had to control the price as well.

Freedom House seems to consider lax laws, acceptance of perversions and dishonesty a form of freedom.

They are it seems, in the US from our perspective. After all, you elected ex-el-Presidente Trump. The only twice impeached ex-el-Presidente. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #52 - Feb 2^nd, 2023 at 2:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2023 at 1:56pm:

Oh, I believe we should be giving people a "hand up" out of poverty, Mort, most definitely. I just do not believe in condemning people because they receive welfare like you and most conservatives do. You seem to blame people for circumstances beyond their control. It isn't their fault that they are made unemployed, yet you seem to condemn them for it. They deserve help to get them out of their predicament rather than condemnation.

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That you know of or accept. You have a very narrow band of experience, Mort. There are societies outside of it.

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Downunder, we experience only right-wing news, in the main, all owned by one owner, Rupert Murdock. He dominates the media landscape downunder. You'd be happy reading only right-wing news. Thankfully we have the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Company) and SBS (Special Broadcasting Service) as alternatives, plus of course the Gruinard (Guardian). Of course you'd more than likely would prefer the extreme Right-wing sites like Sky News, owned also by Rupert. Thankfully we don't have anything as stupid as Breitbart or Fox News here.

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Oh, dear. You'd hate ABC - the most trusted news site downunder...

You are talking utter crap, as usual, spineles disgrace. With your every wheezing breath it's just more smug, spineless vanity and despicable lies.

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Reply #53 - Feb 2^nd, 2023 at 4:55pm

Frank wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2023 at 2:15pm:

You are talking utter crap, as usual, spineles disgrace. With your every wheezing breath it's just more smug, spineless vanity and despicable lies.

er, Frank, that's not debate, you could start with "it's not their fault if they become unemployed" (due to circum- stances beyond their control (like the black stockmen laid off by racist ranchers when the equal pay legislation was passed).

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Reply #54 - Feb 2^nd, 2023 at 10:56pm

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Oh, I believe we should be giving people a "hand up" out of poverty, Mort, most definitely. I just do not believe in condemning people because they receive welfare like you and most conservatives do. You seem to blame people for circumstances beyond their control. It isn't their fault that they are made unemployed, yet you seem to condemn them for it. They deserve help to get them out of their predicament rather than condemnation.

Those people being supported by the Tax Payers need to be held to a higher standard of need. It is far too easy to get on the dole and the main reason for it is to create a culture of dependence on government. Just because someone feels entitled or is just bone ass lazy doesn't make them deserving of a piece of the income of others. We need to help the physically and mentally handicapped, they deserve our charity. The able bodied need to starve if they will not help themselves. Excuses, Excuses, Excuses.

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Downunder, we experience only right-wing news, in the main, all owned by one owner, Rupert Murdock. He dominates the media landscape downunder. You'd be happy reading only right-wing news. Thankfully we have the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Company) and SBS (Special Broadcasting Service) as alternatives, plus of course the Gruinard (Guardian). Of course you'd more than likely would prefer the extreme Right-wing sites like Sky News, owned also by Rupert. Thankfully we don't have anything as stupid as Breitbart or Fox News here.

I read todays ABC Australian and it seemed pretty neutral about reporting stories unlike the Sydney Morning Herald. Our Media is mostly slanted and obvious opinion passed off as news stories.

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They are it seems, in the US from our perspective. After all, you elected ex-el-Presidente Trump. The only twice impeached ex-el-Presidente.

What was President Trump impeached for? Threatening to drain the Swamp! Every few days we see more democrats in government being found to have lied or ignored the truth for their political gain. If you really cared about corruption in American politics it is busting out all over with the criminals currently running our government! The Left wishes it had a fraction of the Biden's scandal's to blame on Trump family members! Stolen Valor Richard Blumenthal, Congressman Eric Swalwell and Fang Fang, Paul Pelosi and his gay lovers. The list is huge if anyone wanted to pursue it.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bias-by-omission-2021

Free health care at work?

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Google or search engine of your choice, democrat scandals ignored by the media.

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Reply #55 - Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:27am

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2023 at 10:56pm:

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Oh, I believe we should be giving people a "hand up" out of poverty, Mort, most definitely. I just do not believe in condemning people because they receive welfare like you and most conservatives do. You seem to blame people for circumstances beyond their control. It isn't their fault that they are made unemployed, yet you seem to condemn them for it. They deserve help to get them out of their predicament rather than condemnation.

Those people being supported by the Tax Payers need to be held to a higher standard of need. It is far too easy to get on the dole and the main reason for it is to create a culture of dependence on government. Just because someone feels entitled or is just bone ass lazy doesn't make them deserving of a piece of the income of others. We need to help the physically and mentally handicapped, they deserve our charity. The able bodied need to starve if they will not help themselves. Excuses, Excuses, Excuses.

The only dependence I see is one of need, need necessitated by their circumstance. What would you prefer? A literal "Dole queue" where the unemployed queue to receive their necessities from charities? These people have need and they have dignity and both should be supported, Mort. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Downunder, we experience only right-wing news, in the main, all owned by one owner, Rupert Murdock. He dominates the media landscape downunder. You'd be happy reading only right-wing news. Thankfully we have the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Company) and SBS (Special Broadcasting Service) as alternatives, plus of course the Gruinard (Guardian). Of course you'd more than likely would prefer the extreme Right-wing sites like Sky News, owned also by Rupert. Thankfully we don't have anything as stupid as Breitbart or Fox News here.

I read todays ABC Australian and it seemed pretty neutral about reporting stories unlike the Sydney Morning Herald. Our Media is mostly slanted and obvious opinion passed off as news stories.

The ABC because it doesn't slant it's reportage still gets a bucketful from your compatriots, Mort. The SMH is actually fairly right wing in it's views. You should read the Australian for a right-wing view downunder. We are constantly bombarded by it's anti-ABC slant.

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They are it seems, in the US from our perspective. After all, you elected ex-el-Presidente Trump. The only twice impeached ex-el-Presidente.

What was President Trump impeached for? Threatening to drain the Swamp! Every few days we see more democrats in government being found to have lied or ignored the truth for their political gain. If you really cared about corruption in American politics it is busting out all over with the criminals currently running our government! The Left wishes it had a fraction of the Biden's scandal's to blame on Trump family members! Stolen Valor Richard Blumenthal, Congressman Eric Swalwell and Fang Fang, Paul Pelosi and his gay lovers. The list is huge if anyone wanted to pursue it.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bias-by-omission-2021

Free health care at work?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-02/productivity-commission-data-shows-emerge...

Google or search engine of your choice, democrat scandals ignored by the media.

And what is wrong with looking after your workers and making sure they receive adequate health care, Mort? Seems sensible to me. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #56 - Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:36am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:27am:

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2023 at 10:56pm:

I read todays ABC Australian and it seemed pretty neutral about reporting stories unlike the Sydney Morning Herald. Our Media is mostly slanted and obvious opinion passed off as news stories.

The ABC because it doesn't slant it's reportage still gets a bucketful from your compatriots, Mort. The SMH is actually fairly right wing in it's views. You should read the Australian for a right-wing view downunder. We are constantly bombarded by it's anti-ABC slant.

The ABC news bulletins are pretty straightforward but very selective on what they report.

When it comes to current affairs, panels and discussions on culture, politics, society, the ABC is openly 'progressive' left wing without any attempt at balance or true debate if a wide variety of views. It is totally captured by its employee collective.

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Reply #57 - Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 9:29pm

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The only dependence I see is one of need, need necessitated by their circumstance. What would you prefer? A literal "Dole queue" where the unemployed queue to receive their necessities from charities? These people have need and they have dignity and both should be supported, Mort. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

You seem to mean healthy people who know how to game the system. Here government housing is full of able bodied people who have one excuse or another for why they can't be self supporting. A single mother with multiple children from different fathers can't work because she can't afford daycare is a common qualifier. A man who chooses not to work often lives with these women. I personally know a man who claims to have severe Crohn’s Disease is considered disabled and can't work but his BIL who is handclapped has a six figure income and works from home job.

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The ABC because it doesn't slant it's reportage still gets a bucketful from your compatriots, Mort. The SMH is actually fairly right wing in it's views. You should read the Australian for a right-wing view downunder. We are constantly bombarded by it's anti-ABC slant.

The only problem I see with your ABC is that they call their opinion pages fact check! That section is definitely slanted very Left. It doesn't seem so to you because you probable agree with most of it. Kind of an echo chamber if you know what I mean. The slant of all publications comes out in it's opinion pages.

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And what is wrong with looking after your workers and making sure they receive adequate health care, Mort? Seems sensible to me.

There is nothing wrong with providing employees with a health insurance plan that both contribute to. A plan that offers reasonable coverage at a reasonable price is fair, as long as the employer is large enough to afford to offer one.

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Reply #58 - Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 10:52pm

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 9:29pm:

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The only dependence I see is one of need, need necessitated by their circumstance. What would you prefer? A literal "Dole queue" where the unemployed queue to receive their necessities from charities? These people have need and they have dignity and both should be supported, Mort. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

You seem to mean healthy people who know how to game the system. Here government housing is full of able bodied people who have one excuse or another for why they can't be self supporting. A single mother with multiple children from different fathers can't work because she can't afford daycare is a common qualifier. A man who chooses not to work often lives with these women. I personally know a man who claims to have severe Crohn’s Disease is considered disabled and can't work but his BIL who is handclapped has a six figure income and works from home job.

" BIL"? I am unfamiliar with that term, what does it mean?

Sounds like your jealous, Mort. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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The ABC because it doesn't slant it's reportage still gets a bucketful from your compatriots, Mort. The SMH is actually fairly right wing in it's views. You should read the Australian for a right-wing view downunder. We are constantly bombarded by it's anti-ABC slant.

The only problem I see with your ABC is that they call their opinion pages fact check! That section is definitely slanted very Left. It doesn't seem so to you because you probable agree with most of it. Kind of an echo chamber if you know what I mean. The slant of all publications comes out in it's opinion pages.

They are called "Fact Check" because that is exactly what they doing - checking the claims by politicians. Should they just let such idiot bullshit go through to the keeper, Mort? Is that how it is done in the US?

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And what is wrong with looking after your workers and making sure they receive adequate health care, Mort? Seems sensible to me.

There is nothing wrong with providing employees with a health insurance plan that both contribute to. A plan that offers reasonable coverage at a reasonable price is fair, as long as the employer is large enough to afford to offer one.

It is to the employers' benefit to provide health care, Mort, so why shouldn't they pay for it for their employees? Roll Eyes

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Reply #59 - Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:21pm

BLM= Brother-in-Law. What would I be jealous of? It is considered rude to ask a man what his income is but I can assure you I have no reason to be jealous.

Fact check seems to be accepted dogma of what is commonly believed!

If an employer is required to pay the entire insurance for the employee its cost will be part of the wage. The cost of employees is much higher than the statement on their pay check. Considering the total cost for an employee may be as much as double what is seen as a wage. Benefits can be very expensive and the employer needs a way it recover the cost!

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