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Reply #75 - Feb 2nd, 2023 at 1:08pm
 
Panther wrote on Feb 2nd, 2023 at 12:23pm:
Still, now & forever, it is absolutely no reason whatsoever for the more than 300 million good, Law-Abiding American Citizens to even consider relinquishing their firearms, ...


Every single mass shooter was once a Law-Abiding American Citizen   Wink
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Reply #76 - Feb 2nd, 2023 at 1:18pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2nd, 2023 at 1:05pm:


Still, now & forever, it is absolutely no reason whatsoever for the more than 300 million good, Law-Abiding American Citizens to even consider relinquishing their firearms, or any of their Constitutional Rights affirming their Right to Keep & Bear Arms to be used to defend themselves, their loved ones, & their friends, because of those few flagitious criminals.

That said, if the American People wanted to.....not the Federal Government......Only if We the American People wanted to change OUR Constitution.....all WE would have to do is change OUR Constitution via the amendment process which requires the final approval of the American People......The American People in 3/4 of the 50 United States must overwhelmingly agree with the change (38 of the 50 States).....if not the Constitution stays as it is......so simply, if 13 States say they don't want the Constitution to change, it's all over red rover......& the Federal Government can't do a damn thing about it!
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Reply #77 - Feb 2nd, 2023 at 1:21pm
 
Panther wrote on Feb 2nd, 2023 at 1:18pm:
Still, now & forever, it is absolutely no reason whatsoever for the more than 300 million good, Law-Abiding American Citizens to even consider relinquishing their firearms, ...


Every single mass shooter was once a Law-Abiding Citizen   Wink
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Reply #78 - Feb 2nd, 2023 at 1:34pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 2nd, 2023 at 1:08pm:
Panther wrote on Feb 2nd, 2023 at 12:23pm:
Still, now & forever, it is absolutely no reason whatsoever for the more than 300 million good, Law-Abiding American Citizens to even consider relinquishing their firearms, ...


Every single mass shooter was once a Law-Abiding American Citizen
   Wink


Can you link to your bona fide source corroborating that statement? ......





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Reply #79 - Feb 2nd, 2023 at 1:38pm
 
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Reply #80 - Feb 2nd, 2023 at 2:15pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2nd, 2023 at 1:38pm:


Still, now & forever, it is absolutely no reason whatsoever for the more than 300 million good, Law-Abiding American Citizens to even consider relinquishing their firearms, or any of their Constitutional Rights affirming their Right to Keep & Bear Arms to be used to defend themselves, their loved ones, & their friends, because of those few flagitious criminals.

That said, if the American People wanted to.....not the Federal Government......Only if We the American People wanted to change OUR Constitution.....all WE would have to do is change OUR Constitution via the amendment process which requires the final approval of the American People......The American People in 3/4 of the 50 United States must overwhelmingly agree with the change (38 of the 50 States).....if not the Constitution stays as it is......so simply, if 13 States say they don't want the Constitution to change, it's all over red rover......& the Federal Government can't do a damn thing about it!

Based on the above polling graph, posted by Bwian, which is totally irrelevant, it would be absolutely impossible to gather enough votes to pass a Constitutional Amendment changing the United States Constitution's Second Amendment.....Until then the American People have the Right to Keep & Bear Arms, & that Right shall not be violated.   

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Reply #81 - Feb 2nd, 2023 at 2:23pm
 

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Reply #83 - Feb 2nd, 2023 at 2:49pm
 
If the American people need guns.
It's because their Government can't be trusted and is corrupt.
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Reply #84 - Feb 2nd, 2023 at 2:54pm
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 2nd, 2023 at 2:49pm:
If the American people need guns.
It's because their Government can't be trusted and is corrupt.

That's one of the most important reasons that Americans have the INDIVIDUAL RIGHT to Keep & Bear Arms, but it is far from the only reason why Americans have the INDIVIDUAL RIGHT to Keep & Bear Arms.
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Reply #86 - Feb 3rd, 2023 at 11:35am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2nd, 2023 at 3:03pm:


DGU = Defensive Gun Use


There are a plethora of studies, surveys, & polls that attempt to determine just how many times Defensive Gun Uses occur each year in America.

Some find that, based on their criteria, that there aren't as many DGUs compared to the number of guns spread amongst the population. On the other hand there are some that have found, again based on their criteria, that there are quite a few DGUs every year, far more than many were aware of.

The estimated number of DGUs therefore are all over the place.....a handful say that guns are used defensively as low as 50 thousand times a year, while many say guns are used defensively more often....as often as 4.5 Million times a year. All the other DGU studies, surveys, & polls used to determine the frequency of DGUs fall somewhere in between.

The largest & most comprehensive study/survey ever done on Defensive Gun Uses estimates that there are about ±1.7 million DGUs in America each year. That survey was done by a research company known as  Centiment  & is published in the Georgetown McDonough School of Business. SSRN Research Paper No. 4109494

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.....The online survey, which was conducted by Centiment in February and March of 2021, was based on a representative sample of about 54,000 adults, 16,708 of whom were gun owners. Georgetown University political economist William English, who commissioned the survey as part of a book project, presents its major findings in a recent paper available on the Social Science Research Network.

The overall adult gun ownership rate estimated by the survey, 32 percent, is consistent with recent research by Gallup and the Pew Research Center. So is the finding that the rate varies across racial and ethnic groups: It was about 25 percent among African Americans, 28 percent among Hispanics, 19 percent among Asians, and 34 percent among whites. Men accounted for about 58 percent of gun owners.

Because of the unusually large sample, the survey was able to produce state-specific estimates that are apt to be more reliable than previous estimates. Gun ownership rates ranged from about 16 percent in Massachusetts and Hawaii to more than 50 percent in Idaho and West Virginia.

The survey results indicate that Americans own some 415 million firearms, including 171 million handguns, 146 million rifles, and 98 million shotguns......


IMHO, we must depend on these estimates of DGUs because many go unreported simply because there were no shots fired, & because many the perps involved fled when they simply became aware their selected victim was armed.

Also, little attention is paid to many of these DGUs by the media because they either don't arouse viewership or readership, or they don't conform to the agendas the media have that attract the largest numbers of viewership & readership.

Therefore, it would make sense that we won't see as many reports of DGUs as we will of violent gun crime, which will always bring more attention & reporting.


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Someone once asked this honest question of a gun owner:

"How would you like to be the one who has to tell 49 families that their little loved ones were murdered because you refuse to give up your guns?"

This honest answer was given by the gun owner with all sincerity:

"It is a deeply unfortunate tragedy, & we all sadly feel their pain, but that said, since there are over 500,000 cases of defensive gun-use annually, I'd rather have to deliver the heart breaking bad news to the 49 families, than to the 500,000+ families who's loved ones became victims because you took away their means to defend themselves."






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Reply #87 - Feb 3rd, 2023 at 12:14pm
 
Panther wrote on Feb 3rd, 2023 at 11:35am:
DGU = Defensive Gun Use


[size=12][font=Georgia][i]There are a plethora of studies, surveys, & polls that attempt to determine just how many times Defensive Gun Uses occur each year in America.




Why do you support all mass shootings ?
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Reply #89 - Feb 3rd, 2023 at 12:51pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 3rd, 2023 at 12:14pm:
Why do you support all mass shootings ?




I never have & never will......

I have only come to accept the fact as long as there are criminal minds intent on shooting & murdering the innocent living in America, there will always be mass shootings in America.....

If there were no guns, which will never happen in any of our lifetimes, criminal minds intent on murdering the innocent will always find another way of accomplishing their missions.


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