Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print
Lie No 1 (Read 892 times)
Boris
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3978
Gender: male
Lie No 1
Jan 30th, 2023 at 9:39pm
 
The world’s oldest living culture.

This statement is patently false. All people alive today have inherited their respective cultures from unbroken lines of ancestors and so all of us represent continuous living and evolving cultures. This claim should be re-stated as “the world’s oldest unchanged culture”. Aboriginal culture remained quite static for millennia. Thirty thousand years ago, and more, all our forebear Homo sapiens were hunter-gatherers, anthropologists today categorising them as paleolithic or stone-age, wood and stone being their main sources of tools. In time, people in some regions developed technologically and culturally, archaeologists describing evolutionary phases as the iron age, bronze age and so on: consider the wheel, writing, musical instruments, houses, clothing, mathematics and forms of engineering.

In the Middle East stonemasons attained levels of skill and sophistication which still astonish us today. In contrast, indigenous Australians never accomplished any of these things. No written language, woven clothing, nor houses consisting of solid walls, a roof, and a doorway. The didgeridoo is today accepted as a musical instrument, but it is very limited in its scope; it cannot be used to play a tune, being confined to droning and barking sounds. Aboriginal numbering systems remained very simple because there was no need for anything more advanced; anyway, without any form of writing or any writing materials it was not possible to perform complicated arithmetic.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Boris
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3978
Gender: male
Re: Lie No 1
Reply #1 - Jan 30th, 2023 at 9:42pm
 
Lie No 2

Nations.

This term is now being used instead of tribe. It is understandable, because the latter has a negative connotation, conveying a sense of primitiveness. The word nation and the term First Nations convey a certain grandeur and a sense of dignity, both having been copied from North America. However, the indigenous people of Australia were never nations in the sense that they comprised large, united communities. Indeed, as William Buckley (who lived for decades with indigenous families in the early 1800s) explained, the families were small in number and constantly quarrelling, the quarrels often erupting into deadly fights.


Unlike the indigenous people of Canada and the US, who mostly lived in large groups of hundreds or thousands, the indigenous Australians lived in small family units, occasionally gathering in larger numbers for trading or ceremonial purposes. The description of indigenous Australians as comprising nations is an example of exaggeration and misrepresentation; it has become the common term, passively accepted without challenge.

A group was dubbed by the media as the “Pintupi Nine”. In 1984 a family of nine was found to be living in the west of the Northern Territory. They were described as the last people living the traditional way of life. Photos show the nine family members naked but for some hair-string belts, the men carrying spears and boomerangs, the women with wooden dishes and implements. They were nomadic, moving between waterholes and living on bush tucker, goannas and rabbits. They were testament to the traditional, unchanged paleolithic lifestyle of the Aborigines.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Jasin
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 47603
Gender: male
Re: Lie No 1
Reply #2 - Jan 30th, 2023 at 10:09pm
 
Why do the Aborigines have to live up to 'your' expectations of what it means to be 'civilised'?
Why can't you accept them for who they are and more so, who they were - a pristine, untouched culture of people? It's a rare gem - like an Opal, that explorers have searched the world for such, as if trying to find something they had lost long ago and in a way, with regret.
Do you think living in a 'city' means being civilised? When a city can be like living in a prison, like a bird in a cage.
Do you think that being civilised means because you pass knowledge by a book, while they did it through Song-Lines - some of which still tell the stories from 25,000 years ago.

You will never move forward into the future here Boris.
Instead, you'll just recede back to something Euro or American - so why don't you just pack your bags and go there. You obviously can't deal with this part of the world.

The Aborigines 'were' possibly one of the most advanced cultures long ago - especially when most of Europe was a fluctuation of migrations in and out pending the ice sheets. Briton wasn't permanently inhabited until just 6,000 years ago. Is it the fault of the Aborigines that they became 'isolated' with all that they knew at the time? Was it the fault of the Aborigines that the Little Dryas Period of a 10,000 year drought scuttled their way of life here from living to just surviving for that period?

Why would you want just another people doing exactly what you do? Where is the variety in that? The Americans were all about conquering Space - but we are here to conquer 'Time'. You look into the Aborigine glass darkly - thus all you will see is what you complain about.

You are here to learn something. Something wonderful. The whole world is waiting for this Pandora's Box to be opened to make the world move another phase along. Wether you like it or not - they are here to stay.

If they were but children in your 'superior' civilised eyes - heaven forbid how you treat them like animals.

You go your way Boris. But you'll never pass GO and you'll never Collect $200. Best you go where you belong.

Anyway, enough said for now.
Back to top
 

AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 41053
Re: Lie No 1
Reply #3 - Jan 30th, 2023 at 10:11pm
 
...

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 83948
Proud pre-1850's NO Voter
Gender: male
Re: Lie No 1
Reply #4 - Jan 31st, 2023 at 12:06am
 
Lie No 2 ..... ??????
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Boris
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3978
Gender: male
Re: Lie No 1
Reply #5 - Jan 31st, 2023 at 6:52am
 
lie no 3

Welcome to country.

In recent decades it has become fashionable for public ceremonies to commence with “Welcome to country” ceremonies. But this is a modern contrivance, and many indigenous groups have no recollections of such rituals. Indeed, some describe these rites as embarrassing nonsense. The use of smoke in ceremonies has a long history, being used by many religious groups even today. But in Australia it has taken on a new role, non-indigenous Australians imagining that by tolerating it they are being respectful of Aboriginal people and customs. It has become an industry, some “elders” charging large sums to perform. But this is stone-age behaviour, men in loincloths and painted bodies stamping the dusty ground while others rhythmically clack sticks together. Do men and women of Aboriginal heritage want to be seen by the world as a primitive historical curiosity?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Boris
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3978
Gender: male
Re: Lie No 1
Reply #6 - Jan 31st, 2023 at 6:53am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 31st, 2023 at 12:06am:
Lie No 2 ..... ??????



Boris wrote on Jan 30th, 2023 at 9:42pm:
Lie No 2

Nations.

This term is now being used instead of tribe. It is understandable, because the latter has a negative connotation, conveying a sense of primitiveness. The word nation and the term First Nations convey a certain grandeur and a sense of dignity, both having been copied from North America. However, the indigenous people of Australia were never nations in the sense that they comprised large, united communities. Indeed, as William Buckley (who lived for decades with indigenous families in the early 1800s) explained, the families were small in number and constantly quarrelling, the quarrels often erupting into deadly fights.


Unlike the indigenous people of Canada and the US, who mostly lived in large groups of hundreds or thousands, the indigenous Australians lived in small family units, occasionally gathering in larger numbers for trading or ceremonial purposes. The description of indigenous Australians as comprising nations is an example of exaggeration and misrepresentation; it has become the common term, passively accepted without challenge.

A group was dubbed by the media as the “Pintupi Nine”. In 1984 a family of nine was found to be living in the west of the Northern Territory. They were described as the last people living the traditional way of life. Photos show the nine family members naked but for some hair-string belts, the men carrying spears and boomerangs, the women with wooden dishes and implements. They were nomadic, moving between waterholes and living on bush tucker, goannas and rabbits. They were testament to the traditional, unchanged paleolithic lifestyle of the Aborigines.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Boris
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3978
Gender: male
Re: Lie No 1
Reply #7 - Jan 31st, 2023 at 6:54am
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 30th, 2023 at 10:09pm:
Why do the Aborigines have to live up to 'your' expectations of what it means to be 'civilised'?
Why can't you accept them for who they are and more so, who they were - a pristine, untouched culture of people? It's a rare gem - like an Opal, that explorers have searched the world for such, as if trying to find something they had lost long ago and in a way, with regret.
Do you think living in a 'city' means being civilised? When a city can be like living in a prison, like a bird in a cage.
Do you think that being civilised means because you pass knowledge by a book, while they did it through Song-Lines - some of which still tell the stories from 25,000 years ago.

You will never move forward into the future here Boris.
Instead, you'll just recede back to something Euro or American - so why don't you just pack your bags and go there. You obviously can't deal with this part of the world.

The Aborigines 'were' possibly one of the most advanced cultures long ago - especially when most of Europe was a fluctuation of migrations in and out pending the ice sheets. Briton wasn't permanently inhabited until just 6,000 years ago. Is it the fault of the Aborigines that they became 'isolated' with all that they knew at the time? Was it the fault of the Aborigines that the Little Dryas Period of a 10,000 year drought scuttled their way of life here from living to just surviving for that period?

Why would you want just another people doing exactly what you do? Where is the variety in that? The Americans were all about conquering Space - but we are here to conquer 'Time'. You look into the Aborigine glass darkly - thus all you will see is what you complain about.

You are here to learn something. Something wonderful. The whole world is waiting for this Pandora's Box to be opened to make the world move another phase along. Wether you like it or not - they are here to stay.

If they were but children in your 'superior' civilised eyes - heaven forbid how you treat them like animals.

You go your way Boris. But you'll never pass GO and you'll never Collect $200. Best you go where you belong.

Anyway, enough said for now.


lies

stone age savages that never did anything other than make a fart noise down a hollow log and rape murder and eat children
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
AusGeoff
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Sage of Gippsland

Posts: 5999
Victoria
Gender: male
Re: Lie No 1
Reply #8 - Jan 31st, 2023 at 7:13am
 

Indigenous former NT minister Bess Price slammed "welcome to country"
events, and says that paying respect to elders "past and present" and
smoking ceremonies are "bullshit rituals".

...
Price slammed indigenous symbolism as "a lie".



The 'welcome to country' was adopted into Australia's parliamentary protocols
in 2008, after then prime minister Kevin Rudd delivered his apology to the stolen
generation.

However, two years after that decision Aboriginal entertainer Ernie Dingo claimed
that he invented the concept in 1976 when Pacific Island dancers demanded they
receive a traditional welcome.

        Roll Eyes
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Captain Caveman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6211
Gender: male
Re: Lie No 1
Reply #9 - Jan 31st, 2023 at 7:17am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Jan 31st, 2023 at 7:13am:
Indigenous former NT minister Bess Price slammed "welcome to country"
events, and says that paying respect to elders "past and present" and
smoking ceremonies are "bullshit rituals".

https://i.postimg.cc/431V5Ny6/Screenshot-2023-01-31-at-08-05-20-Indigenous-polit...
Price slammed indigenous symbolism as "a lie".



The 'welcome to country' was adopted into Australia's parliamentary protocols
in 2008, after then prime minister Kevin Rudd delivered his apology to the stolen
generation.

However, two years after that decision Aboriginal entertainer Ernie Dingo claimed
that he invented the concept in 1976 when Pacific Island dancers demanded they
receive a traditional welcome.

        Roll Eyes



The aboriginals that are still real people (bess, dingo et al.) must be so embarrassed by this fake production being put out by whites that think they're abo.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jan 31st, 2023 at 7:23am by Captain Caveman »  
 
IP Logged
 
Boris
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3978
Gender: male
Re: Lie No 1
Reply #10 - Jan 31st, 2023 at 7:18am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Jan 31st, 2023 at 7:13am:
Indigenous former NT minister Bess Price slammed "welcome to country"
events, and says that paying respect to elders "past and present" and
smoking ceremonies are "bullshit rituals".

https://i.postimg.cc/431V5Ny6/Screenshot-2023-01-31-at-08-05-20-Indigenous-polit...
Price slammed indigenous symbolism as "a lie".



The 'welcome to country' was adopted into Australia's parliamentary protocols
in 2008, after then prime minister Kevin Rudd delivered his apology to the stolen
generation.

However, two years after that decision Aboriginal entertainer Ernie Dingo claimed
that he invented the concept in 1976 when Pacific Island dancers demanded they
receive a traditional welcome.

        Roll Eyes


I know Bess and I know Ernie
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Boris
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3978
Gender: male
Re: Lie No 1
Reply #11 - Jan 31st, 2023 at 7:41am
 
Listen to this nurse

She saw what I saw - I saw worse

Albo sips beer at the tennis

https://www.9news.com.au/videos/national/nurse-films-fracas-in-alice-springs/cld...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Captain Caveman
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6211
Gender: male
Re: Lie No 1
Reply #12 - Jan 31st, 2023 at 7:46am
 
The way I see it is if a prime minister is going to spend his time at the tennis while his country turns to shyte then that person just does not care about anything but his back pocket.
Going to the tennis is like saying.... how can he sleep at night while this goes on?

They do not care about us. That much is clear.
So why can't the community step up, sack their reps in government, overthrow the local council and take control of their town again?
Why can't we do that when our system is broken and failing the good people who donate weekly to its cause.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Frank
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 45035
Gender: male
Re: Lie No 1
Reply #13 - Jan 31st, 2023 at 11:54am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30th, 2023 at 10:11pm:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty... Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

...

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Whitey...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...      Shocked Shocked
Back to top
 

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 41053
Re: Lie No 1
Reply #14 - Jan 31st, 2023 at 1:59pm
 

...

Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Back to top
 

Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print