Australian Politics Forum - Mental health checks for WA's gun owners

Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Mental health checks for WA's gun owners Feb 5^th, 2023 at 5:19pm Mental health checks for WA's gun owners to become mandatory under changes to firearms laws
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Reply #1 - Feb 5^th, 2023 at 5:37pm

Sounds reasonable enough on the face of it, but then I read this bit: "One of the real key indicators of the likelihood of a woman or family suffering violence [or] being killed in a domestic violence situation is the presence of a firearm in the house," The implication being that firearms owners are more likely to be wife bashers than others, and the involvement of some 'Womens Safety and Wellbeing' organisation smacks of an agenda rather than a well intentioned safeguard.

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Re: Mental health checks for WA's gun owners
Reply #2 - Feb 5^th, 2023 at 11:29pm

Belgarion wrote on Feb 5^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

Sounds reasonable enough on the face of it, but then I read this bit: "One of the real key indicators of the likelihood of a woman or family suffering violence [or] being killed in a domestic violence situation is the presence of a firearm in the house," The implication being that firearms owners are more likely to be wife bashers than others, and the involvement of some 'Womens Safety and Wellbeing' organisation smacks of an agenda rather than a well intentioned safeguard.

An interim AVO is enough to have firearms license suspended and guns confiscated. A good behaviour bond for any offence will have firearms license cancelled and guns confiscated.

The vast majority of women shot in DV are not done by licensed gun owners they are done by criminals with illegal guns so this change will make very little if any difference.

Those with illegal guns don't have a license don't register guns so this will not make any difference for those with illegal guns.

As for suicides before 1996 guns were the most common method this has changed to hanging being most common method. The 1996 gun laws made no difference to suicide rates it only changed the method. The gun grabbers don't care about suicides they're happy with people using a rope instead of a gun.

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Re: Mental health checks for WA's gun owners
Reply #3 - Feb 6^th, 2023 at 12:22am

Belgarion wrote on Feb 5^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

Sounds reasonable enough on the face of it, but then I read this bit: "One of the real key indicators of the likelihood of a woman or family suffering violence [or] being killed in a domestic violence situation is the presence of a firearm in the house," The implication being that firearms owners are more likely to be wife bashers than others, and the involvement of some 'Womens Safety and Wellbeing' organisation smacks of an agenda rather than a well intentioned safeguard.

Nope. Wrong on all counts.

The legislation in no way "implies" that gun owners are more
likely to be "wife bashers". To make that claim, you need to
cite references supporting it. Links please.

And of course all affected groups—such as women's safety
organisations—need to be involved. You're seeing an "agenda"
where there is none. Why specifically do you disagree with
women's support and wellbeing groups being included? You
seem to think it's okay for all the legislation to be determined
by men, but not by women? Isn't that sexist?

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Re: Mental health checks for WA's gun owners
Reply #4 - Feb 6^th, 2023 at 1:03am

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 5^th, 2023 at 11:29pm:

...As for suicides before 1996 guns were the most common method this has changed to hanging being most common method. The 1996 gun laws made no difference to suicide rates it only changed the method. The gun grabbers don't care about suicides they're happy with people using a rope instead of a gun.

Since 1996, the all persons suicide rate has dropped from 14.8 per 100,000 to 12.0 per 100,000 in 2021. in Australia.

Since 1996, hanging has increased from 5.3 persons per 100,000 to 7.5 per 100,000 in 2021.

Since 1996, firearms has decreased from 3.5 persons per 100,000 to 1.1 per 100,000 in 2021.

—All data from Australian Institute of Health and Welfare, 2021.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47423 Gender:	Re: Mental health checks for WA's gun owners Reply #5 - Feb 6^th, 2023 at 12:33pm Considering the ADF has the highest amount of employees going on the Mental Health conveyor.... Oh - then there's the mental instability of Peccary the multi-troll schizoid who giggles to himself behind unhinged doors.
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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 17324 Gender:	Re: Mental health checks for WA's gun owners Reply #6 - Feb 6^th, 2023 at 1:36pm AusGeoff wrote on Feb 6^th, 2023 at 1:03am: Since 1996, hanging has increased from 5.3 persons per 100,000 to 7.5 per 100,000 in 2021. Sounds like we need a mental health check on the sale of rope.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136426 Gender:	Re: Mental health checks for WA's gun owners Reply #7 - Feb 6^th, 2023 at 1:41pm "Anyone buying a gun in Western Australia will have to undergo mandatory and ongoing mental health checks, as part of a complete overhaul of the state's 50-year-old firearms legislation." Excellent No reasonable person would have a problem with that.
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24619 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Mental health checks for WA's gun owners Reply #8 - Feb 6^th, 2023 at 1:46pm Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2023 at 5:19pm: Mental health checks for WA's gun owners to become mandatory under changes to firearms laws Will you be ineligible to legally obtain a firearm, Brian?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: Mental health checks for WA's gun owners Reply #9 - Feb 6^th, 2023 at 3:34pm UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 6^th, 2023 at 1:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2023 at 5:19pm: Mental health checks for WA's gun owners to become mandatory under changes to firearms laws Will you be ineligible to legally obtain a firearm, Brian? No, Rocky. The Baron, OTOH is questionable...
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Re: Mental health checks for WA's gun owners
Reply #10 - Feb 6^th, 2023 at 4:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 6^th, 2023 at 1:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2023 at 5:19pm:

Mental health checks for WA's gun owners to become mandatory under changes to firearms laws Shocked

Will you be ineligible to legally obtain a firearm, Brian?

No, Rocky. The Baron, OTOH is questionable... Roll Eyes

You need a mental health check for saying all young people, no matter who or what they are, should be conscripted into the military

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Re: Mental health checks for WA's gun owners
Reply #11 - Feb 6^th, 2023 at 4:59pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2023 at 4:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 6^th, 2023 at 1:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2023 at 5:19pm:

Mental health checks for WA's gun owners to become mandatory under changes to firearms laws Shocked

Will you be ineligible to legally obtain a firearm, Brian?

No, Rocky. The Baron, OTOH is questionable... Roll Eyes

You need a mental health check for saying all young people, no matter who or what they are, should be conscripted into the military

In times of national existential crisis and threat, all can expect to serve, either in combatant and non-combatant roles. Vietnam wasn't one of those. You are the only ex-conscript I have encountered who had bad things to say about the experience, Bias. I served with numerous ex-conscripts who only had positive things to say about it. I wonder if you had a bad experience that made you upset? Roll Eyes

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Reply #12 - Feb 6^th, 2023 at 5:24pm

There is no excuse Brian that the Military or the Political has to say to justify conscription - which is SLAVERY.
The threat of execution and imprisonment shows that the Australian Governments are no different to Russia now, the Nazi, the Commies, the CCP, etc, etc.

The southern African Xhosas and others were happy to 'volunteer' to join the Boers.
The British had to 'buy' the Coloureds, then the 'blacks' as they called them.

Here and in NZ - the crap ADF has to brutalise Australians into enslavement to fight their American Wars. Roll Eyes

Go f*uck yourself you military nut-case! Go masturbate a nuclear warhead you pretzel. Tongue

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Re: Mental health checks for WA's gun owners
Reply #13 - Feb 6^th, 2023 at 5:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2023 at 4:59pm:

In times of national existential crisis and threat, all can expect to serve

As I said, you need a mental health check ... you're a gun freak ... and you expect young people to be gun freaks just like you

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2023 at 4:59pm:

either in combatant and non-combatant roles

Who would you select to be the "combatants"?, some tough home invaders, domestic violence offenders, parole breakers, financial swindlers, repeat traffic violators, illegal immigrants, sex workers, phone thieves, drug dealers, drug consumers, car thieves, child molesters? - or would they be your non combatants?

I'd love to see your selection process

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47423 Gender:	Re: Mental health checks for WA's gun owners Reply #14 - Feb 6^th, 2023 at 5:55pm CONSCRIPTION IS ENSLAVEMENT Go fight your own fights you warmongering fruitloops.
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