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Reply #150 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 3:22pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 3:03pm:
Never mind 'meantime',


Meantine, you aren't concerned about the neoclassical fool Lowe's moves in the next few months, with many Oz mortgages changing from fixed to variable - in the highest price housing market on the planet...

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you focus on the collapse of the CCP and the repercussions of a collapsed China - the CCP seniors are and they're grabbing all the cash they can get their hands on and looking for havens.


No, I focus on Oz, while the population is becoming more disturbed everyday by Lowe's ignorant attachment to a failed neoclassical economic orthodoxy...you can't turn on TV these days without hearing a report on increasing mortgage disasters.



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The current state is close to that of the last days of the USSR.


And inequality in the West is reaching levels last seen immediately before the Great Depression. SVB interest- rate driven failure:  the tip of the iceberg.
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Reply #151 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 3:25pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 3:22pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 3:03pm:
Never mind 'meantime',


Meantine, you aren't concerned about the neoclassical fool Lowe's moves in the next few months, with many Oz mortgages changing from fixed to variable - in the highest price housing market on the planet...

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you focus on the collapse of the CCP and the repercussions of a collapsed China - the CCP seniors are and they're grabbing all the cash they can get their hands on and looking for havens.


No, I focus on Oz, while the population is becoming more disturbed everyday by Lowe's ignorant attachment to a failed neoclassical economic orthodoxy...you can't turn on TV these days without hearing a report on increasing mortgage disasters.



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The current state is close to that of the last days of the USSR.


And inequality in the West is reaching levels last seen immediately before the Great Depression. SVB interest- rate driven failure:  the tip of the iceberg.


1. Stop talking utter shyte! You’re seriously sitting there attempting to liken the current global recession to the Great Depression?

2. Are you that blissfully ignorant of the major role China plays in all this? Or just like as per 1. totally uneducated?
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Reply #152 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 4:07pm
 
ShellShilo wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:01pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:09am:
....parroting decades old communist propaganda about the evils of capitalism and what a dirt poor place America is. It got even funnier when you tried to garner sympathy for Australia's poor, when our unemployment benefits are several times higher than the median Chinese wage.

I can see how they managed to hoodwink people back then, but are the Chinese still stupid enough to believe that crap? Or are you trying to convince us?


I'm not trying to convince you of anything. We are way past lateral thinking and open-mindedness! What communist propaganda are you talking about?? Have you ever been to America? A country where the people would sell their mother for a bigger tip. 


Yes I have. Several times. Great place. Lovely people. BTW, this is the communist propaganda I am talking about. Are the Chinese people really stupid enough to believe it?

Have you ever left your parents basement on the outskirts of Beijing?
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Reply #153 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 4:27pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 4:07pm:
ShellShilo wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:01pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:09am:
....parroting decades old communist propaganda about the evils of capitalism and what a dirt poor place America is. It got even funnier when you tried to garner sympathy for Australia's poor, when our unemployment benefits are several times higher than the median Chinese wage.

I can see how they managed to hoodwink people back then, but are the Chinese still stupid enough to believe that crap? Or are you trying to convince us?


I'm not trying to convince you of anything. We are way past lateral thinking and open-mindedness! What communist propaganda are you talking about?? Have you ever been to America? A country where the people would sell their mother for a bigger tip. 


Yes I have. Several times. Great place. Lovely people. BTW, this is the communist propaganda I am talking about. Are the Chinese people really stupid enough to believe it?

Have you ever left your parents basement on the outskirts of Beijing?

Left their parents' basement? Where do you think the whole family is living?
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Reply #154 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:30pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 3:25pm:
1. Stop talking utter shyte!


Too inadequate to resume the debate in the MMT thread?


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You’re seriously sitting there attempting to liken the current global recession to the Great Depression?


And you claim to have tertiary-level capacity for analysis.

I said the current egregious levels of inequality have reached the same levels last seen in 1929.

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2. Are you that blissfully ignorant of the major role China plays in all this? Or just like as per 1. totally uneducated?


Er...guess what is still the world's reserve currency (though decreasing fast...); with US inflation double that in China.

And:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/other/uk-finance-minister-and-bank-of-england-wo...

UK finance minister and Bank of England work to contain SVB fallout

Gawd... a US bank f**kup already affecting the UK.
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Re: Lavrov Claims Ukraine Started War Against Russia!
Reply #155 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 7:05pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:30pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 3:25pm:
1. Stop talking utter shyte!


Too inadequate to resume the debate in the MMT thread?


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You’re seriously sitting there attempting to liken the current global recession to the Great Depression?


And you claim to have tertiary-level capacity for analysis.

I said the current egregious levels of inequality have reached the same levels last seen in 1929.

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2. Are you that blissfully ignorant of the major role China plays in all this? Or just like as per 1. totally uneducated?


Er...guess what is still the world's reserve currency (though decreasing fast...); with US inflation double that in China.

And:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/other/uk-finance-minister-and-bank-of-england-wo...

UK finance minister and Bank of England work to contain SVB fallout

Gawd... a US bank f**kup already affecting the UK.


Stop deflecting from the fact that you’ve been exposed as an uneducated multi troll.

Tell me what are you going to do if/when Trump wins the next US Election, stops the war btwn Ukraine and Russia, allies itself with Russia and together these 2 world powers come after China? You will of course (because you’ve said this) be living in China ( in some cardboard shoe box I suspect ). Will you be doing what most Chinese people will be doing by then...trying to find water? You do know about the water problem/crisis in China....yes?
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Re: Lavrov Claims Ukraine Started War Against Russia!
Reply #156 - Mar 12th, 2023 at 11:50pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 4:07pm:
ShellShilo wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:01pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:09am:
....parroting decades old communist propaganda about the evils of capitalism and what a dirt poor place America is. It got even funnier when you tried to garner sympathy for Australia's poor, when our unemployment benefits are several times higher than the median Chinese wage.

I can see how they managed to hoodwink people back then, but are the Chinese still stupid enough to believe that crap? Or are you trying to convince us?


I'm not trying to convince you of anything. We are way past lateral thinking and open-mindedness! What communist propaganda are you talking about?? Have you ever been to America? A country where the people would sell their mother for a bigger tip. 


Yes I have. Several times. Great place. Lovely people. BTW, this is the communist propaganda I am talking about. Are the Chinese people really stupid enough to believe it?

Have you ever left your parents basement on the outskirts of Beijing?


Again I ask, WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS THE COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? Is it that the byproduct of Capitalism, is to separate society into  multi-classes based on wealth? Is it that the individual's worth will always be defined solely on his capacity to consume(wealth)? Is it that the separation between rich and poor will continue to increase, as more and more capital is consumed? Or, is it Communist propaganda, to simply question anything about the western government's ideology or economy? You do realize that the Communist Ideology(economic and political), is the OPPOSITE of Capitalism and Liberal Democracy? Right?

I was born and raised in the US. And, I've also been back many times. I've seen America evolve from, "everybody knows your name", to "everybody knows your game". A whole generation of people who know more about movie actors and news celebrities, then their own families. A country where the top 200 grossing movies of all times, are cartoons, fantasies, and comic book super heroes. Which may also be contributing to the " dumbing down" intellectually, of the Americana society. IMHO

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross/?area=XWW

My home and property don't have a basement. And, my parents have past away. And, because of Covid restrictions, I wasn't able to say my last good bye to my mother. I left my country in '82. When plainclothes police started riding the school buses. I figured this is NOT the place where I want to raise my children.

The only thing that matters in my posts, IS THE TRUTH! Is what I'm saying right or wrong? Any other labels are irrelevant, or just a silly distraction. Maybe now you can address my concerns, why we should NOT be involved in a proxy war with Russia? Or, does the real possibility of a nuclear exchange mean nothing to you? Remember Russia is fighting against at least 30 nations. Not just the Ukraine! What is the exit strategy of these nations? How many more Russians and Ukrainians will die needlessly? How many more refugees will be displaced? How much more of the Ukraine will become useless?

I don't want, "On the Beach" , to become a reality.

 
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Reply #157 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 12:45am
 
I will leave this here, if anyone wants to have a listen.

https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/battleground-ukraine/id1617276298
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Reply #158 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 6:19am
 
ShellShilo wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 11:50pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 4:07pm:
ShellShilo wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:01pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:09am:
....parroting decades old communist propaganda about the evils of capitalism and what a dirt poor place America is. It got even funnier when you tried to garner sympathy for Australia's poor, when our unemployment benefits are several times higher than the median Chinese wage.

I can see how they managed to hoodwink people back then, but are the Chinese still stupid enough to believe that crap? Or are you trying to convince us?


I'm not trying to convince you of anything. We are way past lateral thinking and open-mindedness! What communist propaganda are you talking about?? Have you ever been to America? A country where the people would sell their mother for a bigger tip. 


Yes I have. Several times. Great place. Lovely people. BTW, this is the communist propaganda I am talking about. Are the Chinese people really stupid enough to believe it?

Have you ever left your parents basement on the outskirts of Beijing?


Again I ask, WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS THE COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? 


I literally just quoted it. The CCP has been telling this same lie for 60 years, in an attempt to hide from the Chinese people how horribly incompetent they are as a government.

The real question is, are the Chinese people really stupid enough to believe it?
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Reply #159 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 7:14am
 
Well they prefer the CCP over invasions by Russians, Japs, British and Americans like before.
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Reply #160 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 8:13am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 6:19am:
ShellShilo wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 11:50pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 4:07pm:
ShellShilo wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:01pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:09am:
....parroting decades old communist propaganda about the evils of capitalism and what a dirt poor place America is. It got even funnier when you tried to garner sympathy for Australia's poor, when our unemployment benefits are several times higher than the median Chinese wage.

I can see how they managed to hoodwink people back then, but are the Chinese still stupid enough to believe that crap? Or are you trying to convince us?


I'm not trying to convince you of anything. We are way past lateral thinking and open-mindedness! What communist propaganda are you talking about?? Have you ever been to America? A country where the people would sell their mother for a bigger tip. 


Yes I have. Several times. Great place. Lovely people. BTW, this is the communist propaganda I am talking about. Are the Chinese people really stupid enough to believe it?

Have you ever left your parents basement on the outskirts of Beijing?


Again I ask, WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS THE COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? 


I literally just quoted it. The CCP has been telling this same lie for 60 years, in an attempt to hide from the Chinese people how horribly incompetent they are as a government.

The real question is, are the Chinese people really stupid enough to believe it?


ShellShilo after you finish addressing the above question I would like to know this : what do you personally think about China and the CCP?
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Reply #161 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 12:19pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 8:13am:
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 6:19am:
ShellShilo wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 11:50pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 4:07pm:
ShellShilo wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:01pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:09am:
....parroting decades old communist propaganda about the evils of capitalism and what a dirt poor place America is. It got even funnier when you tried to garner sympathy for Australia's poor, when our unemployment benefits are several times higher than the median Chinese wage.

I can see how they managed to hoodwink people back then, but are the Chinese still stupid enough to believe that crap? Or are you trying to convince us?


I'm not trying to convince you of anything. We are way past lateral thinking and open-mindedness! What communist propaganda are you talking about?? Have you ever been to America? A country where the people would sell their mother for a bigger tip. 


Yes I have. Several times. Great place. Lovely people. BTW, this is the communist propaganda I am talking about. Are the Chinese people really stupid enough to believe it?

Have you ever left your parents basement on the outskirts of Beijing?


Again I ask, WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS THE COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? 


I literally just quoted it. The CCP has been telling this same lie for 60 years, in an attempt to hide from the Chinese people how horribly incompetent they are as a government.

The real question is, are the Chinese people really stupid enough to believe it?


ShellShilo after you finish addressing the above question I would like to know this : what do you personally think about China and the CCP?


You should know this: the Chinese people are horrified by what happened with the US Capitol riots  on Jan 6th.

regardless of CCP propaganda about the evils of capitalism. 

For my part, I like the concept of a government with the stated aim of engendering 'common prosperity'**, regardless of the current economic difficulties being encountered by the CCP.

** meaning eradication of poverty in the economy, not the RW shibboleth 'equality of outcome'.  

btw still waiting for your reply re central bankers in the MMT thread.....
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Reply #162 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 1:01pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 12:19pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 8:13am:
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 6:19am:
ShellShilo wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 11:50pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 4:07pm:
ShellShilo wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:01pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:09am:
....parroting decades old communist propaganda about the evils of capitalism and what a dirt poor place America is. It got even funnier when you tried to garner sympathy for Australia's poor, when our unemployment benefits are several times higher than the median Chinese wage.

I can see how they managed to hoodwink people back then, but are the Chinese still stupid enough to believe that crap? Or are you trying to convince us?


I'm not trying to convince you of anything. We are way past lateral thinking and open-mindedness! What communist propaganda are you talking about?? Have you ever been to America? A country where the people would sell their mother for a bigger tip. 


Yes I have. Several times. Great place. Lovely people. BTW, this is the communist propaganda I am talking about. Are the Chinese people really stupid enough to believe it?

Have you ever left your parents basement on the outskirts of Beijing?


Again I ask, WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS THE COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? 


I literally just quoted it. The CCP has been telling this same lie for 60 years, in an attempt to hide from the Chinese people how horribly incompetent they are as a government.

The real question is, are the Chinese people really stupid enough to believe it?


ShellShilo after you finish addressing the above question I would like to know this : what do you personally think about China and the CCP?


You should know this: the Chinese people are horrified by what happened with the US Capitol riots  on Jan 6th.

regardless of CCP propaganda about the evils of capitalism. 

For my part, I like the concept of a government with the stated aim of engendering 'common prosperity'**, regardless of the current economic difficulties being encountered by the CCP.

** meaning eradication of poverty in the economy, not the RW shibboleth 'equality of outcome'.  

btw still waiting for your reply re central bankers in the MMT thread.....


Why are you answering for ShellandShilo?

I asked YOU another question.

In fact I asked YOU a few. One of those involved the central bankers. The other involved water.
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Reply #163 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 1:03pm
 
Oi NotsoGreat....stop confusing your multi screens and read here 👇

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 7:05pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 5:30pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 12th, 2023 at 3:25pm:
1. Stop talking utter shyte!


Too inadequate to resume the debate in the MMT thread?


Quote:
You’re seriously sitting there attempting to liken the current global recession to the Great Depression?


And you claim to have tertiary-level capacity for analysis.

I said the current egregious levels of inequality have reached the same levels last seen in 1929.

Quote:
2. Are you that blissfully ignorant of the major role China plays in all this? Or just like as per 1. totally uneducated?


Er...guess what is still the world's reserve currency (though decreasing fast...); with US inflation double that in China.

And:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/other/uk-finance-minister-and-bank-of-england-wo...

UK finance minister and Bank of England work to contain SVB fallout

Gawd... a US bank f**kup already affecting the UK.


Stop deflecting from the fact that you’ve been exposed as an uneducated multi troll.

Tell me what are you going to do if/when Trump wins the next US Election, stops the war btwn Ukraine and Russia, allies itself with Russia and together these 2 world powers come after China? You will of course (because you’ve said this) be living in China ( in some cardboard shoe box I suspect ). Will you be doing what most Chinese people will be doing by then...trying to find water? You do know about the water problem/crisis in China....yes?

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Reply #164 - Mar 13th, 2023 at 1:58pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 1:03pm:
[highlight]Tell me what are you going to do if/when Trump wins the next US Election, stops the war btwn Ukraine and Russia, allies itself with Russia and together these 2 world powers come after China?


At last..... a question for discussion, congratulations.

1. Fall off my chair....

2. Congratulate Trump if indeed he stops the war in Ukraine

3. NATO joins Russia, meaning  China is then the only credible threat to US global hegemony, without China being aligned to Russia? 

Well I'll play (despite the unreality of NATO aligning with  Russia, even if directed by Trump's 'genius' as a communicator).

You still have South America, ME and Africa, all developing countries, and all inclined to trade with China in the hope of emulating China's successful development  model.

So if China discovers how to extract and combine the most effective national development mechanisms from both the central-planning AND free market systems of development, China will remain a formidable competitor to the US and the West.

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You will of course (because you’ve said this) be living in China ( in some cardboard shoe box I suspect ). Will you be doing what most Chinese people will be doing by then...trying to find water? You do know about the water problem/crisis in China....yes?



Refuted above, my place of residence is irrelevant,

though speaking of water, I did see a doco on the South North Water Transfer Project in China;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South%E2%80%93North_Water_Transfer_Project


"'Project of diverting water in the South to the North') is a multi-decade infrastructure mega-project in China. Ultimately it aims to channel 44.8 billion cubic meters of fresh water annually[2] from the Yangtze River in southern China to the more arid and industrialized north through three canal systems:[3]

Mind-blowing mega engineering projects like these are springing up all around China (which is why Oz hasn't devolved into a 3rd world economy:  China's voracious demand for ore imported from Oz are being consumed at an incredible rate, eg in 2010-2013, China poured more concrete than the US did in the entire 20th century.
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