Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 1:01pm:


pretty please, can't I answer questions you asked S&S?

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Just answered, in my previous post #164.

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And I directed you to the answer I gave you in the MMT thread, which is the correct thread for discussing central banks.

And yes, I answered the water question, previous post in this thread.   Keep denying for long enough, and you will expose yourself to be a fraud propagating ridiculous nonsense re multi IDs.   

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 4:24pm:


Lucky for you Ozpol isn't adjudicated...

You are now straight out lying; you asked me what would I do if Trump ended the Ukraine war etc, and I answered, in #164.

And the article re the South North Water Transport project (google it yourself)  in China  spoke of an ongoing  decades long water-security mega project; the doco I saw showed magnificent modern engineering over thousands of kms.

btw , droughts occur everywhere at different times,  Adelaide was on the point of running out of water in the millennium drought, hence the desalination plant.

You are rapidly moving up the scale of the most slippery fraudulent debater of Ozpol. 

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I linked to the largest water security project in the world.

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Says a fraud who can't debate a question you asked on the MMT thread.

I know central banking is currently directed by outdated monetary orthodoxy, from the BIS/World Bank/IMF down. 

But feel free to tell us the role China is playing; your chance to show us how evil China is....

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Now you are  hanging on your own multi ID bs petard,  feel free to produce evidence of your claim.

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"Ought to google"...according  to you....

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Refuted above.

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 6:19am:


The only thing that you've stated(not quoted) was that the CCP has also stated the same lies about Capitalism. Which only tells me how little you know about the CCP. So, rather than infer/insinuate that my comments about some aspects of Capitalism and the US are false, maybe you can posit some examples of what comments ARE false? Is the very nature of Capitalism in a free market economy divisive? Has the US government been managing a debt economy for the last 70 years? Did Nixon make a deal with the Saudis, to protect and arm them? Has the wealth inequality gap in the US, been increasing for the last 50 years? Do the majority of hospitality/service workers depend on tips to augment their low minimum wage?

It doesn't matter if the DEVIL makes the same comments about Capitalism. Or, for how long. All that matters is, if the comments are true. So, are they? Or, are you just labeling/dismissing my comments as Communist rhetoric to avoid addressing them? Isn't this just another WRONG others, and RIGHT us, confirmation biased thinking? This is the same labeling that they used on Tulsi Gabbard(America's last real hope). Just label her as a socialist, and all of her great ideas were ignored. Maybe in America, ignorance IS bliss!

I think that the Chinese people are smart enough to believe the truth. And, NOT stupid enough to believe the lie. But then again, I just assume that everyone can think rationally. Until they don't! Don't get me wrong. I know the type of business hustle the Chinese are running(start-up business funds)? But it's still legal!

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 8:13am:


I will answer your question later. But I am puzzled. Or, am I just missing something? Why are you attacking the only person who is NOT CALLING ME A CHINESE OR RUSSIAN BOT?? I can't find any faults in his depth of understanding, or his knowledge. I find his posts insightful, relevant, well-supported, and well-informed. Maybe there is something else going on, but his posts are a welcome change for me to read. Are you attacking the wrong person by mistake?

Regarding your hypothetical! Trump couldn't be elected as the NY city's dog catcher. If Americans re-elect this twice impeached, under 4 criminal probes, 76yo, misogynist, narcissist, chronic liar for a 2nd term, then the entire world would have zero respect for the US. I also doubt that a man who has amassed over 4K lawsuits, could possibly negotiate the end to the Russian/Ukrainian war? Remember this is the moron who could have started WW3, when he blatantly, and unlawfully killed Qasem Soleimani. He is more likely to drop a tactical nuke on Moscow, and claim "it wasn't us"!! This is also the same buffoon who asked his generals min Iraq, "Why can't we just take their oil"? 

https://www.azcentral.com/pages/interactives/trump-lawsuits/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/21/donald-trump-iraq-war-oil-strategy-seizure-isis

I also doubt that Russia would align itself to a country that is responsible for the deaths of 60K Russian soldiers in the Ukraine. And, would definitely NOT want to attack its number 1 trading partner(China)? A partner who has stood by Russia throughout all the Western sanctions? Just ain't gonna happen!! Plus, if this DID happen, China would not hesitate in using its over 400 nuclear arsenal to defend itself. Oh, and destroy the rest of mankind while doing so! IMHO

https://thebulletin.org/premium/2023-03/nuclear-notebook-chinese-nuclear-weapons
-2023/

Yes they are. They're mostly just uneducated peasants.
They probably believe that Americans eat people.

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 13^th, 2023 at 7:22pm:


Read and reply to #164, or stand exposed as an outright liar.

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In #164, I answered I would congratulate Trump if he stopped the Ukraine war. And the linked article on China's
water security program was updated this year; that the engineering works referred to in the 'world's largest ongoing infrastructure project' started a decade ago, doesn't mean the project itself was finished a decade ago). 

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Normally the 'deplorable right'*** ( supporting endless wars and entrenched poverty) is just plain fraudulent, as a result of the deplorable RW 'survival of the fittest'/individual sovereignty  ideological blindness, but in your case its even more embarrassingly clear you are just plainly unintelligent. ...10 year old article, geez....

***I include the mainstream LW parties who also support endless wars and entrenched poverty. At least Keating speaks out against them; while Trump would prefer to end all wars by simply pronouncing himself to be world's greatest negotiator....


..and you, salivating over the prospect of average housing prices in Sydney reaching $8 million in a decade...now there's some juicy capital gains for your smart  'investment in housing' scheme....f**k the people forced to rent. 

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 9:07am:


Thank you Lisa. And, it's always a pleasure.

Although the CCP(Chinese Communist Party), is the only party enshrined in the Chinese Constitution. It is the largest(and only party), that controls every facet of Chinese life. On paper, this party practices "Democratic Centralism(discussion of policies). But in reality, these policy decisions are "discussed, debated, and voted on behind close doors". And although the NPC(National People's Congress) acts as a regulatory/supervisory/oversight body, it is nothing more than a "rubber stamp" for the policies of the CCP. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzn8f38sw90
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-08/xi-stops-playing-nice-china-s-financial-overhaul-npc-update?leadSource=uverify%20wall

In fact the NPC is currently being reformed to become more inline with the policies and visions of the CCP. China is a country that values "LOYALTY" over "INDIVIDUAL LIBERTIES". A country that controls all forms of social media.

But then again, I was fortunate enough not to be born in China. If I were born/raised in China, I would see no problem with my country. I would consider everything that I do as normal. Just as the people in western cultures would consider what they do as normal for them. Raising a family, going to work, going on vacations, and engaging in leisure activities, would seem normal for anyone raised in China. IMHO it is just arrogance to judge any society, by the standards of your own society. No one is being forced to live in China. No one is being forced to accept China's financial help. It is a sovereign nations, with its own languages, customs and traditions. Their culture is NONE of our business!

We scream when China exerts any influence in Eastern Europe, Africa, or in the South Pacific. We blame China for the spread of the corona virus. But we don't even bat an eyelid, when the US overthrows foreign governments, runs up a $31T national debt, interferes in foreign elections, or torture and slaughters innocent people on foreign land.

There will always be people who will support a Western World-wide Hegemony. I am NOT one of them. I think these governments should get out of the business of world police, or the spreading of their world-wide Corporate Capitalism, that will mostly benefits themselves. War is big business for the West! Even at the expense of the quality of life for its own citizens.

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 2:06pm:


Good, now that you've got that  off your chest...let's see if you can demonstrate why you are not the most contemptible liar on Ozpolitc despite  my #164 to prove it.

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Good, so let's see it.....

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Er... still waiting for your actual refutation of an actual point I made, eg in #164...which ironically was  my reply after you demanded I answer your actual questions from you eg you wanted my comment on  Trump's supposed genius war-resolution capacity.   

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Er....dear Lisa, stop digging that hole; #164 is there for all to see....but thanks for your concern

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Ah... at last a reference to an actual point I made;

hint: you reckon Trump can solve the Ukraine war; Keating thinks the current government is indulging in malicious sabre rattling against China.

I would hope Trump could stop that insane Ukraine war, and I praise Keating for pointing out the even greater insanity of visualizing  a war wth China "within 3 years", as those paranoid  f**kwits at the ASPI are currently espousing.   

ShellShilo wrote on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 3:05pm:




This is what I am struggling with now.
Hearing Australians blurt on and on about how good America is, and then turnning into a fire breathing dragon when asked if a middle eastern resident would agree with them.
Then call Assange a traitor.... WTF, he wasn't on the trigger in that helicopter.

It's not happening here in our country so it doesn't matter. That's what they truly believe in their head.
Pre gulf war, I was a red white and blue yank supporter.
Now I see them for what they are.