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Re: He Applied For 472 Rental Properties
Reply #240 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:29am

Frank wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:23am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:18am:

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:16am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:06am:

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:02am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:00am:

Save your tears for a single mum with 2 jobs who can't rent

This guy is just a wastenof o2

You think i'm not thinking of her when i venture into this topic? I want to talk about her. And the thousands like her.

All you lot want to do is talk about him though.

Deflect, deflect.

Nope. The whole article is BS because they chose somebody who is not fit for rentals.
The rental market is tough but for responsible people it's hard but doable.

The ABC lied in the article by using a person who doesn't represent the average.
You fell for it because you're a moron.

Fell for it? How out of touch are you?

This is the reality for thousands of Australians. Families.

Are you actually aware of the homelessness crisis?

He's not a family. He's a dipschit with 5 dogs who's never had a job.
People who work can get a place to live

You should know Gordy, that currently, a great many can't.

And all that aside, are you saying that sole parents, the disabled, aged pensioners, cares etc do not deserve housing?

We've already established that you don't care about the unemployed.

I know, It's a tough one. Geoff couldn't answer.

Interesting that you introduce the concept of 'deserve'.

The deserving and undeserving beneficiaries of social support.

Would you rather swarms of underclasses, Frank?

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Methra Excuses & Supports Centrelink Frauds
Reply #241 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:34am

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:23am:

Frank wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:18am:

When we compared characteristics of all people who were “social renters” at some time in the 15 years, we found:

the group who lived continuously in social housing were generally older (average age 60) and more likely to be female than people on other housing pathways, with age pension and disability benefits the most common types of government assistance received

those who left social housing (and never returned) were the second-oldest group (average age 50), also predominantly female, with unemployment and disability support the most commonly received government assistance

the group who entered (and then remained in) social housing was distinct in its high proportion of refugees and other people born overseas, with unemployment and disability support again the most common government assistance

more than a quarter of all pathways could be described as more transitory, involving multiple entrances or exits. This group as a whole was younger, more likely to be Australian-born and more likely to be Indigenous than the other groups. It was also distinct in the dominance of unemployment benefits among the forms of government assistance received.

https://theconversation.com/the-many-faces-of-social-housing-home-to-1-in-10-aus...

Oh so NO mention of Centrelink frauds who have been evicted from social housing for wanting to live for next to nothing with their husband and numerous pets.

Perhaps Albo might come to the rescue for this gay couple by renting out one of his investment properties. A Labor Leader ought you lead by example given he talks non stop about the down and out. Plus said Prime Minister himself lives rent free compliments of the tax payer.

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Re: Centrelink Fraud Exposed and Reported
Reply #242 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:35am

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:13am:

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:02am:

1. All you lot want to do is talk about him though.

2. Deflect, deflect.

1. The topic IS about him (and his now exposed husband). Read the topic title with whatever (unfried from drugs) brain cell you’ve got left. That’s why we’re discussing HIM!

2. The only revolting slithering lying snake that’s deflecting in this topic is you.

Free friendly tip : Log off, sleep off whatever bad drugs you’ve taken and come back and try again tomorrow. Your arse is badly torn from being pwned so hard this morning.

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Re: He Applied For 472 Rental Properties
Reply #243 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:56am

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:29am:

Frank wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:23am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:18am:

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:16am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:06am:

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:02am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:00am:

Save your tears for a single mum with 2 jobs who can't rent

This guy is just a wastenof o2

You think i'm not thinking of her when i venture into this topic? I want to talk about her. And the thousands like her.

All you lot want to do is talk about him though.

Deflect, deflect.

Nope. The whole article is BS because they chose somebody who is not fit for rentals.
The rental market is tough but for responsible people it's hard but doable.

The ABC lied in the article by using a person who doesn't represent the average.
You fell for it because you're a moron.

Fell for it? How out of touch are you?

This is the reality for thousands of Australians. Families.

Are you actually aware of the homelessness crisis?

He's not a family. He's a dipschit with 5 dogs who's never had a job.
People who work can get a place to live

You should know Gordy, that currently, a great many can't.

And all that aside, are you saying that sole parents, the disabled, aged pensioners, cares etc do not deserve housing?

We've already established that you don't care about the unemployed.

I know, It's a tough one. Geoff couldn't answer.

Interesting that you introduce the concept of 'deserve'.

The deserving and undeserving beneficiaries of social support.

Would you rather swarms of underclasses, Frank?

I'd prefer no underclass. A very large proportion of them are imported third worlders or Aboriginals. Yes, also a sizable white lumpen proles, like the guy in the OP. But I was a little startled to see during the Melbourne lockdowns of those housing commission towers that most people in them were Arabs, Africans, Asians in their 30s and 40s.

I do not begrudge social support for people who have pulled their weight but fell on hard times or who are the low paid working poor. I don't see them as underclass.

The guy in the OP is a career unemployed bloke who has made himself unemployable. He is NOT the face of the deserving poor.

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Re: He Applied For 472 Rental Properties
Reply #244 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 10:07am

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The guy in the OP is a career unemployed bloke who has made himself unemployable. He is NOT the face of the deserving poor.

Well said Frank. This topic (which is about the guy in the OP who used his friends in radical left socialist circles to advocate for himself) has inadvertently exposed a systemic issue within our welfare system - namely CENTRELINK FRAUDS who have no shame in taking advantage of social housing opportunities by fraudulently taking A PLACE FROM those who are bona fide and who are waiting in a queue.

The fact that this guy and his husband were evicted from Social Housing signifies a key victory for those bona fide honest people waiting in the queue. A queue which successive LABOR SA Premiers have failed to address. Meantime Methra continues to excuse/support the exposed Centrelink fraud.

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Re: He Applied For 472 Rental Properties
Reply #245 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 10:17am

Frank wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:56am:

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:29am:

Frank wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:23am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:18am:

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:16am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:06am:

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:02am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:00am:

Save your tears for a single mum with 2 jobs who can't rent

This guy is just a wastenof o2

You think i'm not thinking of her when i venture into this topic? I want to talk about her. And the thousands like her.

All you lot want to do is talk about him though.

Deflect, deflect.

Nope. The whole article is BS because they chose somebody who is not fit for rentals.
The rental market is tough but for responsible people it's hard but doable.

The ABC lied in the article by using a person who doesn't represent the average.
You fell for it because you're a moron.

Fell for it? How out of touch are you?

This is the reality for thousands of Australians. Families.

Are you actually aware of the homelessness crisis?

He's not a family. He's a dipschit with 5 dogs who's never had a job.
People who work can get a place to live

You should know Gordy, that currently, a great many can't.

And all that aside, are you saying that sole parents, the disabled, aged pensioners, cares etc do not deserve housing?

We've already established that you don't care about the unemployed.

I know, It's a tough one. Geoff couldn't answer.

Interesting that you introduce the concept of 'deserve'.

The deserving and undeserving beneficiaries of social support.

Would you rather swarms of underclasses, Frank?

I'd prefer no underclass. A very large proportion of them are imported third worlders or Aboriginals. Yes, also a sizable white lumpen proles, like the guy in the OP. But I was a little startled to see during the Melbourne lockdowns of those housing commission towers that most people in them were Arabs, Africans, Asians in their 30s and 40s.

I do not begrudge social support for people who have pulled their weight but fell on hard times or who are the low paid working poor. I don't see them as underclass.

The guy in the OP is a career unemployed bloke who has made himself unemployable. He is NOT the face of the deserving poor.

What do you suggest be "done with" the "undeserving poor", Frank?

And who do you think should make these decisions?

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Re: He Applied For 472 Rental Properties
Reply #246 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 10:33am

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 10:07am:

Quote:

The guy in the OP is a career unemployed bloke who has made himself unemployable. He is NOT the face of the deserving poor.

Well said Frank. This topic (which is about the guy in the OP who used his friends in radical left socialist circles to advocate for himself) has inadvertently exposed a systemic issue within our welfare system - namely CENTRELINK FRAUDS who have no shame in taking advantage of social housing opportunities by fraudulently taking A PLACE FROM those who are bona fide and who are waiting in a queue.

The fact that this guy and his husband were evicted from Social Housing signifies a key victory for those bona fide honest people waiting in the queue. A queue which successive LABOR SA Premiers have failed to address. Meantime Methra continues to excuse/support the exposed Centrelink fraud.

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Re: He Applied For 472 Rental Properties
Reply #247 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 10:42am

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 10:17am:

What do you suggest be "done with" the "undeserving poor", Frank?

And who do you think should make these decisions?

A few suggestions:

Unemployment and disability support should be decentralised completely. Those receiving such support should be answerable to the people they live among ( after all, it's their resources that are given out) , not to a remote, faceless, online bureaucracy. If they want to work they are more likely get assistance from a network of local people than from a bureaucracy. Conversely, fraud would also be a lot harder and freeloading would become obvious quickly and corrective would be applied.

Care and maintenance of social housing stock would improve as neighbourhoods would apply social pressure on recipients to take care of their dwellings.

Stop importing an underclass from overseas.

Concerned citizens like you could also step up and assist by making spare rooms available to the homeless.

The main principle should be the localisation of assistance - people who know each other should assist each other. Civil society. Love thy neighbour, help yourself and others will step up to help you.

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Reply #248 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 1:52pm

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 8:47am:

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 8:44am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 8:40am:

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 8:35am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 8:31am:

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 8:26am:

Anybody want to discuss the housing crisis?

The article is a lie.
Yes there is a housing crisis but they've framed it around someone who NOBODY would or should rent to.
Why did the ABC lie?

The ABC didn't lie.

The fact is you are over-focussing on the individual at the expense of the issue.

Why? Because you;re just that small-minded.

Nasty, gossipy, deflecting and small-minded.

They used the worst possible example of someone looking for a rental.
Zero work history. 5 dogs, hiv+.

It's no different to doing a story about if John Smith applied for 472 jobs as a brain surgeon.

Can you explain to me how HIV+ matters?

Nobody seems to be able to.

It's certainly not a question asked on the application.

And how do you know he has no work history? Secondly, why should that matter so long as he can guarantee the rent.

The dogs are a worry though, i grant you.

Because he doesn't look healthy, then when you add he has NO WORK HISTORY people will conclude he's a drunk or a junkie.

Literally no agent would rent to him, nor should they.

Most agents these days would have no idea what he looks like except for a scan of a drivers license photo or some other id which can be 10 years old. Most applications these days are applied for and approved, online, long before the agent has ever met the applicants.

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Reply #249 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 2:41pm

Frank wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

mothra wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 10:17am:

What do you suggest be "done with" the "undeserving poor", Frank?

And who do you think should make these decisions?

A few suggestions:

Unemployment and disability support should be decentralised completely. Those receiving such support should be answerable to the people they live among ( after all, it's their resources that are given out) , not to a remote, faceless, online bureaucracy. If they want to work they are more likely get assistance from a network of local people than from a bureaucracy. Conversely, fraud would also be a lot harder and freeloading would become obvious quickly and corrective would be applied.

Care and maintenance of social housing stock would improve as neighbourhoods would apply social pressure on recipients to take care of their dwellings.

Stop importing an underclass from overseas.

Concerned citizens like you could also step up and assist by making spare rooms available to the homeless.

The main principle should be the localisation of assistance - people who know each other should assist each other. Civil society. Love thy neighbour, help yourself and others will step up to help you.

i concur.

but government never gives up power.

and there are an army of public servants 'farming" the poor, the way i farm cattle.

if you are a public servant on 100 k with a mortgage to pay, your way to get a bigger salary is to increase the size of your department.

you need to grow your herd.

each poor person who makes it is like a cow of mine that jumps the fence.

its just your prosperity walking away.

do a good job and you render yourself redundant

the idea that the public service would help people is akin to the idea that a pub would help problem gamblers on the pokies.

it aint gunna happen

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Reply #250 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 3:24pm

Frank wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

Care and maintenance of social housing stock would improve as neighbourhoods would apply social pressure on recipients to take care of their dwellings.

If this "social housing stock" in the rest of Australia is anything like a lot of the ones I've seen in the suburbs of Perth then "social pressure" needs to applied to State governments to start spending some money to improve the appearance of the outsides of the properties.

Some of them look like they haven't had a single fresh drop of paint applied to the outsides (gutters, downpipes, etc.) since they were built decades ago.

Same applies to the condition of the roofs for most of them and the common area gardens for a lot of the complexes comprising several houses or units are a disgrace (these common areas are supposed to be maintained by the government departments responsible for social housing).

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Reply #252 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 3:45pm

Carl D wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 3:24pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

Care and maintenance of social housing stock would improve as neighbourhoods would apply social pressure on recipients to take care of their dwellings.

If this "social housing stock" in the rest of Australia is anything like a lot of the ones I've seen in the suburbs of Perth then "social pressure" needs to applied to State governments to start spending some money to improve the appearance of the outsides of the properties.

Some of them look like they haven't had a single fresh drop of paint applied to the outsides (gutters, downpipes, etc.) since they were built decades ago.

Same applies to the condition of the roofs for most of them and the common area gardens for a lot of the complexes comprising several houses or units are a disgrace (these common areas are supposed to be maintained by the government departments responsible for social housing).

wouldnt it be nice if some of the tenants took 'personal responsibility' and painted the place.

what we of the noble right call "giving something back
or "not always being a floating turd who only knows how to take"

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Reply #253 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 3:52pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 3:45pm:

wouldnt it be nice if some of the tenants took 'personal responsibility' and painted the place.

what we of the noble right call "giving something back
or "not always being a floating turd who only knows how to take"

Wouldn't it be nice if they could afford to paint the place?

But they probably wouldn't be living in social housing if they could afford it.

You really do come up with some silly comments, don't you?

(I don't know what the rules are regarding social housing in Perth or the rest of Australia but it would probably be a pretty safe bet to assume that since we're talking about government departments here the tenants wouldn't be allowed to paint the places anyway).

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Reply #254 - Mar 20^th, 2023 at 4:03pm

Carl D wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 3:52pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 3:45pm:

wouldnt it be nice if some of the tenants took 'personal responsibility' and painted the place.

what we of the noble right call "giving something back
or "not always being a floating turd who only knows how to take"

Wouldn't it be nice if they could afford to paint the place?

But they probably wouldn't be living in social housing in the first place if they could.

You really do come up with some silly comments, don't you?

(I don't know what the rules are regarding social housing in Perth or the rest of Australia but it would probably be a pretty safe bet to assume that since we're talking about government departments here the tenants wouldn't be allowed to paint the places anyway).

of course they arent carl.

by getting contractors in to paint them and having OH and S rules and making sure the contractors have a blue card and are fully immunised and have an ABM, the organising public servant gets to "build the emopire"
he is in control of a bigger budget and more staff.

he is value adding (to his own salary that is).

he is more effectively 'farming" his "herd' of poor people.

he may move up the public service ladder because of such inefficiency.

a wage rise is possible (money which could have been spent buying the householder 20 litres of paint ) Roll Eyes

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