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We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Apr 7^th, 2023 at 7:47am

We already lost the right to visit Ayers Rock -
what else will we lose after a voice is passed?

see article on this site:
https://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/racism-government-imposed-sacred-cows-wrapped...

Racism and government-imposed sacred cows, wrapped in the woolly fuzz of political correctness

4/11/17

White people will be banned from Uluru.
All non-aborigines will be, and presumably those aborigines who are from the wrong tribal group. Clearly, this is racist. Chances are, women won’t be allowed up there either, even if they have the correct skin colour. Even more concerning is that this is justified on spiritual grounds. One group’s spiritual views are so much more important than everyone else’s that the government has enshrined them in legislation so that our most iconic natural monument can be fenced off.

Our beaches, our national parks, our oceans, our rivers, these are all public property to be shared for the enjoyment of all. They are important to all Australians, not just a select few. They have spiritual significance to all sorts of people. They are not to be sold off to the loudest group of racist, religious zealots, no matter how sympathetic or politically correct their zealotry is.

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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #1 - Apr 7^th, 2023 at 7:54am

Let's look at New Zealand where the Maoris were given a voice.

Mt Eden used to be a great place to visit in Auckland.
It has magnificent sights in all directions from up high.
The road is now closed because of Maoris.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/75952874/work-already-underway-to-block-mt-eden...

Paul Majurey, chair of the Tupuna Maunga o Tamaki Makaurau Authority which looks after Auckland's volcanic cones, said the ban respected the spiritual and cultural significance of the summit to Mana Whenua, as well as the community's aspirations.

"Motor vehicle restriction on the tihi of Maungawhau was signalled many years ago as a key measure to protect this taonga, and to reflect the Mana Whenua and community aspirations of their living connections with this taonga. It is very pleasing to have reached this point."

Pedestrians and cyclists will still be able to use the summit road.

https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/building-and-consents/resource-consents/prep...

What is mana whenua?

In the consenting context, mana whenua means the indigenous people

(Māori) who have historic and territorial rights over the land.

It refers to iwi and hapū (Māori tribal groups) who have these rights in Tāmaki Makaurau, Auckland.

Mana whenua interests are represented by 19 iwi (tribal) authorities in Tāmaki Makaurau, Auckland.

Resource consent applicants need to engage with mana whenua, in certain circumstances, by contacting the relevant iwi authority.

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21501 ACT Gender:	Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice? Reply #2 - Apr 7^th, 2023 at 7:56am Yep! Vote NO!!!
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103154 Melbourne Gender:	Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice? Reply #3 - Apr 7^th, 2023 at 7:58am So - in NZ they gave the Maoris a voice and one by one New Zealanders lost their rights to obscure Maori made up nonsense. The same will happen here and it has already started without a voice. Imagine how bad it will be with a voice? Don't vote yes for a voice - it's bad enough already.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103154 Melbourne Gender:	Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice? Reply #4 - Apr 7^th, 2023 at 7:58am Redmond Neck wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 7:56am: Yep! Vote NO!!! Vote No.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103154 Melbourne Gender:	Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice? Reply #5 - Apr 7^th, 2023 at 8:01am Mount Eden lost due to Maoris. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Eden
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103154 Melbourne Gender:	Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice? Reply #6 - Apr 7^th, 2023 at 8:04am View from the crater on Mt Eden:
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103154 Melbourne Gender:	Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice? Reply #7 - Apr 7^th, 2023 at 8:06am Aerial view of Mt Eden
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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #8 - Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:02am

There is already Native Title without the voice....Aboriginal people were granted land rights by the High Court in 1993....Freediver thinks Native Title is a joke and ignores it's implications and the rights of Indiginous Australian's by posting irrelivant bullshit that has no foundation in law....The Voice will have no impact on Aboriginal people's rights to Native Title which already exists....More lies and scare mongering by people who have no idea how the law works....Why do people feel it neccassary to post bullshit in opposition to the voice???

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The NTA (Native Title Act) was passed in 1993. It established a process for claiming and recognising native title lands and waters in Australia. The NTA aims to balance Indigenous and non-Indigenous peoples’ rights to land, and sets out how native title rights and interests fit within Australian law.

Native title rights cannot be claimed in relation to minerals, gas or petroleum under Australian law. Native title in tidal and sea areas can only be of a non-exclusive nature, as exclusive native title is considered inconsistent with other common law rights regarding marine access and navigation.

A full description of Native Title is supplied in the links below....Indiginous people have always had rights to certain lands in Australia and nothing will ever change that with or without the voice....Educate yourself Bobby and stop being ignorant about the things you claim which are not true!!!

Huh

https://nativetitle.org.au/learn/native-title-and-pbcs/native-title-rights-and-i...

http://www.nntt.gov.au/Information%20Publications/Native%20Title%20an%20overview...

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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #9 - Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:18am

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:02am:

There is already Native Title without the voice....Aboriginal people were granted land rights by the High Court in 1993....Freediver thinks Native Title is a joke and ignores it's implications and the rights of Indiginous Australian's by posting irrelivant bullshit that has no foundation in law....The Voice will have no impact on Aboriginal people's rights to Native Title which already exists....More lies and scare mongering by people who have no idea how the law works....Why do people feel it neccassary to post bullshit in opposition to the voice???

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The NTA (Native Title Act) was passed in 1993. It established a process for claiming and recognising native title lands and waters in Australia. The NTA aims to balance Indigenous and non-Indigenous peoples’ rights to land, and sets out how native title rights and interests fit within Australian law.

Native title rights cannot be claimed in relation to minerals, gas or petroleum under Australian law. Native title in tidal and sea areas can only be of a non-exclusive nature, as exclusive native title is considered inconsistent with other common law rights regarding marine access and navigation.

A full description of Native Title is supplied in the links below....Indiginous people have always had rights to certain lands in Australia and nothing will ever change that with or without the voice....Educate yourself Bobby and stop being ignorant about the things you claim which are not true!!!

Huh

https://nativetitle.org.au/learn/native-title-and-pbcs/native-title-rights-and-i...

http://www.nntt.gov.au/Information%20Publications/Native%20Title%20an%20overview...

Why do people feel it neccessary to post bullshit in support of the voice???

Noel Pearson, Marcia Langton, Anthony Albanese??? for 3 who are playing the emotional blackmail & vilifying anyone who opposes it.

Pearson -"I had a dream last night.... a troubling dream ... where judas Peter Dutton was acting like an undertaker burying Aboriginal people."

Albanese - "You should take the opportunity & do the right thing so you can feel good about yourself."

Then stole Pearsons line about Dutton being an undertaker.

Marcia Langton says - Dutton lied about the voice.

So anyone who opposes the voice because of the failure of activists & govt to lay everything out on the table about how it will work, who will be on it & what powers it will have is a liar? Roll Eyes

Linda Burnie gets up in Parliament & says Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islanders do not have a voice to Parliament ......

she should resign immediately because she's not doing her job as Minister for Indigenous Australians.

Baaaaa baaaaa you mindless sheep ..... wanting to amend the Constitution based on colour/race.

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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #10 - Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:30am

Gnads wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:18am:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:02am:

There is already Native Title without the voice....Aboriginal people were granted land rights by the High Court in 1993....Freediver thinks Native Title is a joke and ignores it's implications and the rights of Indiginous Australian's by posting irrelivant bullshit that has no foundation in law....The Voice will have no impact on Aboriginal people's rights to Native Title which already exists....More lies and scare mongering by people who have no idea how the law works....Why do people feel it neccassary to post bullshit in opposition to the voice???

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The NTA (Native Title Act) was passed in 1993. It established a process for claiming and recognising native title lands and waters in Australia. The NTA aims to balance Indigenous and non-Indigenous peoples’ rights to land, and sets out how native title rights and interests fit within Australian law.

Native title rights cannot be claimed in relation to minerals, gas or petroleum under Australian law. Native title in tidal and sea areas can only be of a non-exclusive nature, as exclusive native title is considered inconsistent with other common law rights regarding marine access and navigation.

A full description of Native Title is supplied in the links below....Indiginous people have always had rights to certain lands in Australia and nothing will ever change that with or without the voice....Educate yourself Bobby and stop being ignorant about the things you claim which are not true!!!

Huh

https://nativetitle.org.au/learn/native-title-and-pbcs/native-title-rights-and-i...

http://www.nntt.gov.au/Information%20Publications/Native%20Title%20an%20overview...

Why do people feel it neccessary to post bullshit in support of the voice???

Noel Pearson, Marcia Langton, Anthony Albanese??? for 3 who are playing the emotional blackmail & vilifying anyone who opposes it.

Pearson -"I had a dream last night.... a troubling dream ... where judas Peter Dutton was acting like an undertaker burying Aboriginal people."

Albanese - "You should take the opportunity & do the right thing so you can feel good about yourself."

Then stole Pearsons line about Dutton being an undertaker.

Marcia Langton says - Dutton lied about the voice.

So anyone who opposes the voice because of the failure of activists & govt to lay everything out on the table about how it will work, who will be on it & what powers it will have is a liar? Roll Eyes

Linda Burnie gets up in Parliament & says Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islanders do not have a voice to Parliament ......

she should resign immediately because she's not doing her job as Minister for Indigenous Australians.

Baaaaa baaaaa you mindless sheep ..... wanting to amend the Constitution based on colour/race.

What does your bullshit racist rant have to do with established law....Native Title already exists....I was pointing out to Bobby his characterization of the voice is incorrect and has no basis in fact or law....At least if you are arguing against the Voice you can support your arguments with facts not bullshit....I agree there is not enough detail about the Voice and what it contains for people to make an informed decision and that is a failure of the Albanese Government to provide enough detail people can understand....Opponents like Bobby are exploiting the lack of detail to missrepresent the facts and make claims that are obviously bullshit....Bobby is simply wrong as usual!!!

Roll Eyes

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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #11 - Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:34am

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:30am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:18am:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:02am:

There is already Native Title without the voice....Aboriginal people were granted land rights by the High Court in 1993....Freediver thinks Native Title is a joke and ignores it's implications and the rights of Indiginous Australian's by posting irrelivant bullshit that has no foundation in law....The Voice will have no impact on Aboriginal people's rights to Native Title which already exists....More lies and scare mongering by people who have no idea how the law works....Why do people feel it neccassary to post bullshit in opposition to the voice???

Quote:

The NTA (Native Title Act) was passed in 1993. It established a process for claiming and recognising native title lands and waters in Australia. The NTA aims to balance Indigenous and non-Indigenous peoples’ rights to land, and sets out how native title rights and interests fit within Australian law.

Native title rights cannot be claimed in relation to minerals, gas or petroleum under Australian law. Native title in tidal and sea areas can only be of a non-exclusive nature, as exclusive native title is considered inconsistent with other common law rights regarding marine access and navigation.

A full description of Native Title is supplied in the links below....Indiginous people have always had rights to certain lands in Australia and nothing will ever change that with or without the voice....Educate yourself Bobby and stop being ignorant about the things you claim which are not true!!!

Huh

https://nativetitle.org.au/learn/native-title-and-pbcs/native-title-rights-and-i...

http://www.nntt.gov.au/Information%20Publications/Native%20Title%20an%20overview...

Why do people feel it neccessary to post bullshit in support of the voice???

Noel Pearson, Marcia Langton, Anthony Albanese??? for 3 who are playing the emotional blackmail & vilifying anyone who opposes it.

Pearson -"I had a dream last night.... a troubling dream ... where judas Peter Dutton was acting like an undertaker burying Aboriginal people."

Albanese - "You should take the opportunity & do the right thing so you can feel good about yourself."

Then stole Pearsons line about Dutton being an undertaker.

Marcia Langton says - Dutton lied about the voice.

So anyone who opposes the voice because of the failure of activists & govt to lay everything out on the table about how it will work, who will be on it & what powers it will have is a liar? Roll Eyes

Linda Burnie gets up in Parliament & says Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islanders do not have a voice to Parliament ......

she should resign immediately because she's not doing her job as Minister for Indigenous Australians.

Baaaaa baaaaa you mindless sheep ..... wanting to amend the Constitution based on colour/race.

What does your bullshit racist rant have to do with established law....Native Title already exists....I was pointing out to Bobby his characterization of the voice is incorrect and has no basis in fact or law....At least if you are arguing against the Voice you can support your arguments with facts not bullshit....I agree there is not enough detail about the Voice and what it contains for people to make an informed decision and that is a failure of the Albanese Government to provide enough detail people can understand....Opponents like Bobby are exploiting the lack of detail to missrepresent the facts and make claims that are obviously bullshit....Bobby is simply wrong as usual!!!

Roll Eyes

The Voice has SFA to do with Native title.

There is more to lose with a race based voice to parliament enshrined in the Constitution which represents all Australians.

So who's having a rant?

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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #12 - Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:58am

Gnads wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:34am:

The Voice has SFA to do with Native title.

But it does have something to do with closing the gap; in fact, failing to say how the voice will close the gap is the stated reason why the Nats reject the voice.

What is your policy to close the gap?

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There is more to lose with a race based voice to parliament enshrined in the Constitution which represents all Australians.

So who's having a rant?

I have to say I'm not in favour of cultural/religious mythology restricting reasonable activities in our time; I loved climbing Uluru (Ayres Rock) - one of the great outback experiences in Oz.

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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #13 - Apr 7^th, 2023 at 10:02am

Gnads wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:34am:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:30am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:18am:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:02am:

There is already Native Title without the voice....Aboriginal people were granted land rights by the High Court in 1993....Freediver thinks Native Title is a joke and ignores it's implications and the rights of Indiginous Australian's by posting irrelivant bullshit that has no foundation in law....The Voice will have no impact on Aboriginal people's rights to Native Title which already exists....More lies and scare mongering by people who have no idea how the law works....Why do people feel it neccassary to post bullshit in opposition to the voice???

Quote:

The NTA (Native Title Act) was passed in 1993. It established a process for claiming and recognising native title lands and waters in Australia. The NTA aims to balance Indigenous and non-Indigenous peoples’ rights to land, and sets out how native title rights and interests fit within Australian law.

Native title rights cannot be claimed in relation to minerals, gas or petroleum under Australian law. Native title in tidal and sea areas can only be of a non-exclusive nature, as exclusive native title is considered inconsistent with other common law rights regarding marine access and navigation.

A full description of Native Title is supplied in the links below....Indiginous people have always had rights to certain lands in Australia and nothing will ever change that with or without the voice....Educate yourself Bobby and stop being ignorant about the things you claim which are not true!!!

Huh

https://nativetitle.org.au/learn/native-title-and-pbcs/native-title-rights-and-i...

http://www.nntt.gov.au/Information%20Publications/Native%20Title%20an%20overview...

Why do people feel it neccessary to post bullshit in support of the voice???

Noel Pearson, Marcia Langton, Anthony Albanese??? for 3 who are playing the emotional blackmail & vilifying anyone who opposes it.

Pearson -"I had a dream last night.... a troubling dream ... where judas Peter Dutton was acting like an undertaker burying Aboriginal people."

Albanese - "You should take the opportunity & do the right thing so you can feel good about yourself."

Then stole Pearsons line about Dutton being an undertaker.

Marcia Langton says - Dutton lied about the voice.

So anyone who opposes the voice because of the failure of activists & govt to lay everything out on the table about how it will work, who will be on it & what powers it will have is a liar? Roll Eyes

Linda Burnie gets up in Parliament & says Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islanders do not have a voice to Parliament ......

she should resign immediately because she's not doing her job as Minister for Indigenous Australians.

Baaaaa baaaaa you mindless sheep ..... wanting to amend the Constitution based on colour/race.

What does your bullshit racist rant have to do with established law....Native Title already exists....I was pointing out to Bobby his characterization of the voice is incorrect and has no basis in fact or law....At least if you are arguing against the Voice you can support your arguments with facts not bullshit....I agree there is not enough detail about the Voice and what it contains for people to make an informed decision and that is a failure of the Albanese Government to provide enough detail people can understand....Opponents like Bobby are exploiting the lack of detail to missrepresent the facts and make claims that are obviously bullshit....Bobby is simply wrong as usual!!!

Roll Eyes

The Voice has SFA to do with Native title.

There is more to lose with a race based voice to parliament enshrined in the Constitution which represents all Australians.

So who's having a rant?

Exactly....The Voice has SFA to do with Native title so why is Bobby posting bullshit....You are actually supporting my argument with your rant mate!!!

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103154 Melbourne Gender:	Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice? Reply #14 - Apr 7^th, 2023 at 10:06am philperth2010 wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 10:02am: Exactly....The Voice has SFA to do with Native title so why is Bobby posting bullshit....You are actually supporting my argument with your rant mate!!! I'm not posting bullshit. What else do we stand to lose if the Voice vote is yes - you tell us?
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