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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #15 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:31am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 9:30am:
What does your bullshit racist rant have to do with established law....Native Title already exists....I was pointing out to Bobby his characterization of the voice is incorrect and has no basis in fact or law....At least if you are arguing against the Voice you can support your arguments with facts not bullshit....I agree there is not enough detail about the Voice and what it contains for people to make an informed decision and that is a failure of the Albanese Government to provide enough detail people can understand....Opponents like Bobby are exploiting the lack of detail to missrepresent the facts and make claims that are obviously bullshit....Bobby is simply wrong as usual!!!

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dear Phil,
The Voice is basically a blank cheque -
the same will happen here as it did in NZ
where the Maoris invented new concepts such as Mana Whenua
to take rights away from New Zealanders -
next thing we'll be banned from certain beaches, national parks, ocean areas, rivers, mountains, hills
and whatever else the Abbos can think up.
I'm going to vote No and I advise you to do the same.

Losing Ayers Rock was already too much -
you give them an inch and they take a mile.

They took Mt Eden in Auckland - people never saw that coming either.
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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #16 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:54am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:31am:
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 9:30am:
What does your bullshit racist rant have to do with established law....Native Title already exists....I was pointing out to Bobby his characterization of the voice is incorrect and has no basis in fact or law....At least if you are arguing against the Voice you can support your arguments with facts not bullshit....I agree there is not enough detail about the Voice and what it contains for people to make an informed decision and that is a failure of the Albanese Government to provide enough detail people can understand....Opponents like Bobby are exploiting the lack of detail to missrepresent the facts and make claims that are obviously bullshit....Bobby is simply wrong as usual!!!

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dear Phil,
The Voice is basically a blank cheque -
the same will happen here as it did in NZ
where the Maoris invented new concepts such as Mana Whenua
to take rights away from New Zealanders -
next thing we'll be banned from certain beaches, national parks, ocean areas, rivers, mountains, hills
and whatever else the Abbos can think up.
I'm going to vote No and I advise you to do the same.

Losing Ayers Rock was already too much -
you give them an inch and they take a mile.

They took Mt Eden in Auckland - people never saw that coming either.


I am just pointing out that your concerns relate to Native Title (NTA) which is already established law in Australia....Aboriginal people can already lay claim to areas of Australia and have done so successfully over decades!!!

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In 1992, the High Court of Australia handed down its decision in Mabo v Queensland (No 2) [1992] HCA 23; (1992) 175 CLR 1 (3 June 1992) [Mabo (No. 2)]. The court recognised that the Meriam people of the Torres Strait held native title over part of their traditional lands. The court found that the common law of Australia recognises rights and interests to land held by indigenous people under their traditional laws and customs.

The source of native title rights and interests is the traditional laws and customs of the native title holders. This means that the nature of native title rights and interests varies from community to community.

Following the decision in Mabo No.2, the government enacted the Native Title Act 1993, which commenced on 1 January 1994. The Act has a number of functions. It creates processes through which native title can be recognised and protected.


Huh Huh Huh

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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #17 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:58am
 
Any law that gives special privileges to one group is not a legal law under our system of government based on the rules of law.

Would you say the same if that special privilege had been given to a rock-blasting group, a group that specialises in selling pieces of The True Rock, or to a foreign national group?

NO!  So why is this given to one minority group here?  Because they cry louder, are the only ones who even get a say, and have the ear of the supplicant and stupid media?

The spiritual aspects of all of those things are for everyone - not just the province of a small group.  This is nothing more than an example of the profligate use of land to sustain a transient hunter gatherer society that has long been overturned by civilisation.

Civil war is coming if the stupid politicians and their bum chums keep on down this path.
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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #18 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:04am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:54am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:31am:
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 9:30am:
What does your bullshit racist rant have to do with established law....Native Title already exists....I was pointing out to Bobby his characterization of the voice is incorrect and has no basis in fact or law....At least if you are arguing against the Voice you can support your arguments with facts not bullshit....I agree there is not enough detail about the Voice and what it contains for people to make an informed decision and that is a failure of the Albanese Government to provide enough detail people can understand....Opponents like Bobby are exploiting the lack of detail to missrepresent the facts and make claims that are obviously bullshit....Bobby is simply wrong as usual!!!

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dear Phil,
The Voice is basically a blank cheque -
the same will happen here as it did in NZ
where the Maoris invented new concepts such as Mana Whenua
to take rights away from New Zealanders -
next thing we'll be banned from certain beaches, national parks, ocean areas, rivers, mountains, hills
and whatever else the Abbos can think up.
I'm going to vote No and I advise you to do the same.

Losing Ayers Rock was already too much -
you give them an inch and they take a mile.

They took Mt Eden in Auckland - people never saw that coming either.


I am just pointing out that your concerns relate to Native Title (NTA) which is already established law in Australia....Aboriginal people can already lay claim to areas of Australia and have done so successfully over decades!!!

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In 1992, the High Court of Australia handed down its decision in Mabo v Queensland (No 2) [1992] HCA 23; (1992) 175 CLR 1 (3 June 1992) [Mabo (No. 2)]. The court recognised that the Meriam people of the Torres Strait held native title over part of their traditional lands. The court found that the common law of Australia recognises rights and interests to land held by indigenous people under their traditional laws and customs.

The source of native title rights and interests is the traditional laws and customs of the native title holders. This means that the nature of native title rights and interests varies from community to community.

Following the decision in Mabo No.2, the government enacted the Native Title Act 1993, which commenced on 1 January 1994. The Act has a number of functions. It creates processes through which native title can be recognised and protected.


Huh Huh Huh

https://www.ag.gov.au/legal-system/native-title#:~:text=By%20contrast%2C%20nativ...


My point is that  we have already given them
too much and they have abused it -
don't give them more.
The cases of Ayers Rock and Mr Eden should
be enough of a wake up call.
They will never be satisfied with our appeasement.
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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #19 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:04am
 
Native title needs to be properly organised and rules set down for it that actually reflect the law - not just some alcohol haze driven 'empathy' from some dork in a court.  Felling sorry for the past owners is not sufficient reason to rob the current owners.  If you are 3% of the population now you may only claim 3% at most of your 'former' lands that your ancestors might or might not have walked over, and then we'll se how it works out given that people now rightly own a lot of it through hard cash, so f
u
ck off!

If the old Aboriginal colonial ways of ancestors walking across a swathe of land were the case I'd own half of NSW and most of the rest of Australia that is worth owning.

Wake up, Australia!!  You are letting these political hacks and their bum buddies destroy your nation and rob you of your rights, using the old worn-out 'poor, poor women' and 'poor, poor Aborigines' and such to do so.

If they're so 'poor, poor' then let them make their way up the ladder like everyone else had to, and stop the free hand-outs of everything in sight on demand and whine.

P.S.  and national parks are NATIONAL and are held in trust by governments for ALL the people... if that trust is broken then the people have the right to take them back.
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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #20 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:09am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:58am:
Any law that gives special privileges to one group is not a legal law under our system of government based on the rules of law.



Care to site this law that Governments cannot make laws concering the rights and privileges of Indiginous people or any other Australian people....Native Title is based on the rules of law???

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Reply #21 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:14am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:04am:
Native title needs to be properly organised and rules set down for it that actually reflect the law - not just some alcohol haze driven 'empathy' from some dork in a court. 

P.S.  and national parks are NATIONAL and are held in trust by governments for ALL the people... if that trust is broken then the people have the right to take them back.


You have no idea mate....Remain stupid!!!

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Reply #22 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:32am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:04am:
My point is that  we have already given them
too much and they have abused it -
don't give them more.

The cases of Ayers Rock and Mr Eden should
be enough of a wake up call.
They will never be satisfied with our appeasement.


I have already explained to you that Native Title and Land Rights are already established in Australian law....If you want to challenge any claim take it up with the High Court if you have enough money and a legal argument....You have no idea what you are ranting about!!!

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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #23 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:35am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:14am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:04am:
Native title needs to be properly organised and rules set down for it that actually reflect the law - not just some alcohol haze driven 'empathy' from some dork in a court. 

P.S.  and national parks are NATIONAL and are held in trust by governments for ALL the people... if that trust is broken then the people have the right to take them back.


You have no idea mate....Remain stupid!!!

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I have every idea.  Native title was never properly set down and regulated and is just an ad hoc collection of often unassociated decisions - simply not good enough under the principle of Common Law.

Clearly you have no idea, but your kind of kow-towing yes voter is in the minority.
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Reply #24 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:41am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:58am:
NO!  So why is this given to one minority group here?  Because they cry louder, are the only ones who even get a say, and have the ear of the supplicant and stupid media?[


I asked Gnads and he disappeared; what is his proposal to close the gap...he might assist the Nats in their concerns that a voice won't close the gap.

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The spiritual aspects of all of those things are for everyone - not just the province of a small group.  This is nothing more than an example of the profligate use of land to sustain a transient hunter gatherer society that has long been overturned by civilisation.


Yes, 'culture' dies hard: some Christians want to insist on certain perceived "rights" to discriminate. 

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Civil war is coming if the stupid politicians and their bum chums keep on down this path.


It is interesting the High Court confirmed 'land rights', instead of confirming the right of everyone to a home. 
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Reply #25 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:43am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:32am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:04am:
My point is that  we have already given them
too much and they have abused it -
don't give them more.

The cases of Ayers Rock and Mr Eden should
be enough of a wake up call.
They will never be satisfied with our appeasement.


I have already explained to you that Native Title and Land Rights are already established in Australian law....If you want to challenge any claim take it up with the High Court if you have enough money and a legal argument....You have no idea what you are ranting about!!!

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Phil,
have no idea what you are ranting about!!!
The Voice is such a vague term that it could mean anything.
It's not what one politician says now or what another one says tomorrow
or what a lawyer says or an Abbo says -
no one knows what it means.
Albo makes up a different story every day and no matter what he says
it won't mean anything 2 years from now.
These things have to be put in writing -
it needs to be  10 pages long at least -
all we have are 2 words in writing -  the voice.      tsk  tsk   Roll Eyes   Roll Eyes
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Reply #26 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:48am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:43am:
I have no idea what you are ranting about!!!
The Voice is such a vague term that it could mean anything.


Yes, indeed the Nats say the voice won't close the gap, without offering their own policies to close tha gap.

Can you assist the Nats?  Gnads disappeared when I asked him for his policies...
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Reply #27 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:51am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:48am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:43am:
I have no idea what you are ranting about!!!
The Voice is such a vague term that it could mean anything.


Yes, indeed the Nats say the voice won't close the gap, without offering their own policies to close tha gap.

Can you assist the Nats?  Gnads disappeared when I asked him for his policies...



We run the risk of Abbos making up new words like
the Maoris making up the words Mana Whenua -
and saying that it applies now because of the Voice.




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What is mana whenua?

In the consenting context, mana whenua means the indigenous people
(Māori) who have historic and territorial rights over the land.

It refers to iwi and hapū (Māori tribal groups) who have these rights in Tāmaki Makaurau, Auckland.

Mana whenua interests are represented by 19 iwi (tribal) authorities in Tāmaki Makaurau, Auckland.

Resource consent applicants need to engage with mana whenua, in certain circumstances, by contacting the relevant iwi authority.
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Reply #28 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:51am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:43am:
I have no idea what you are ranting about!!!
The Voice is such a vague term that it could mean anything.


Yes, indeed the Nats say the voice won't close the gap, without offering their own policies to close tha gap.

Can you assist the Nats?  Gnads disappeared when I asked him for his policies...

Graps offered his 'policy' - little more than what one  poster correctly described as a racist rant...
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Reply #29 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 12:01pm
 
There is no equation between saying something won't close a gap and offering a solution that will close the gap.  If I say that a rock to the head will not close a broken dam, I have no need to offer an alternative.

Round 'em all up - sort out this land claims nonsense once and for all, give 'em a Homeland, Aborassic Park and Gondwanamo Bay, and shift all land claims to one spot that they can enjoy as a self-funding and self-regulated State under the Commonwealth.. get 'em all in one place and sort the good from the bad and point left or right as they pass by the gatekeeper...

Farewell to Australia forever
Farewell to my rum culls as well
Farewell to the well known Old Darwin
Where I used for to cut such a swell

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Singing toorali-oolari-ai
Singing toorali-ollari-addity
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