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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #75 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:29pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 8:55pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 6:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 2:08pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 1:43pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:41am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:58am:
NO!  So why is this given to one minority group here?  Because they cry louder, are the only ones who even get a say, and have the ear of the supplicant and stupid media?[


I asked Gnads and he disappeared; what is his proposal to close the gap...he might assist the Nats in their concerns that a voice won't close the gap.

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The spiritual aspects of all of those things are for everyone - not just the province of a small group.  This is nothing more than an example of the profligate use of land to sustain a transient hunter gatherer society that has long been overturned by civilisation.


Yes, 'culture' dies hard: some Christians want to insist on certain perceived "rights" to discriminate. 

Quote:
Civil war is coming if the stupid politicians and their bum chums keep on down this path.


It is interesting the High Court confirmed 'land rights', instead of confirming the right of everyone to a home. 



Disappeared ? FFS you wanker I don't have to sit here all day responding to you repetitious shyte about a GAP.
..

proving yourself to be the ultimate example of a "deplorable": even the Nats are insisting the Yes supporters explain how the voice will close the gap. 

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As I've said to you before the gap is the vacuum between your ears.

In 60 years & hundreds of billions of dollars spent ... people/experts ... all on a higher pay grade than I've ever been on have been working out schemes & programs, having enquiries, implementing strategies....... that to this day still fail to remedy the situation.

I can see that it should be a 2 way street ...


Wow.....getting that out of you - is like extracting water from a stone...

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but it never is .... the luvvies & bleeding hearts won't allow it ....


Rather the ideologues like John Howard who cancelled the CDEP won't allow it.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14427591.1993.9686379

The success of CDEP is dependent on these organisations which provide culturally appropriate employment, which includes the CDEP scheme. A recent review (note: in 2011) of the CDEP scheme indicated that 71% of Aboriginal communities surveyed considered that CDEP was helpful in meeting the goals of the community and 82% considered that community members were better off under the scheme

Quote:
they want to preserve Aboriginals as primitives in a National Zoo.


There will  always be some cultural warriors in any culture.

Quote:
Self loathing, guilt tripping, patronising, mollycoddling & for ever pandering & making excuses.


..and John Howard's deplorable neoliberal market ideology. 

Quote:
You go close to fitting that bill.


feel free to show how I fit that bill (even closely).



Well dipstick .... the voice will not close your gap.


Are you dementing? That has been my argument all along.

Quote:
So tell us what WILL close the gap.


You ARE dementing, or too ignorant/lazy to even read the words you quoted above:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14427591.1993.9686379

What it means to get off sit‐down money: Community development employment projects (CDEP)
Heather Jensen
Pages 12-18 | Published online: 26 Sep 2011

Note: this study was made after PM Howard, following inadequate Thatcherite orthodoxy, began dismantling the CDEP schemes, to the dismay of its participants.

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If you so full of answers why haven't you solved the problem?.... as I said there have 60 yeaars of people & experts higher than yours or my pay grades that haven't done it.


Er.. I haven't been PM; and unfortunately economics is a contested field, not a science.

Hence the CDEP was born in the late Keynesian 'welfare state' era  (in 1977), but cancelled (in the 2000s) in the current Thatcherite neoliberal era.

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When are you stepping up to the plate Casey?

Beyond that you're just a prattling ideologue.


At least I'm pointing to the real problems behind the gap, rather than just brainlessly asserting there is no gap, or content with saying "it's their fault".



Just phuk off .. you actually have nothing

& you call me demented? Grin
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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #76 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 8:05pm  
Gnads wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:29pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 8:55pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 6:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 2:08pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 1:43pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:41am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:58am:
NO!  So why is this given to one minority group here?  Because they cry louder, are the only ones who even get a say, and have the ear of the supplicant and stupid media?[


I asked Gnads and he disappeared; what is his proposal to close the gap...he might assist the Nats in their concerns that a voice won't close the gap.

Quote:
The spiritual aspects of all of those things are for everyone - not just the province of a small group.  This is nothing more than an example of the profligate use of land to sustain a transient hunter gatherer society that has long been overturned by civilisation.


Yes, 'culture' dies hard: some Christians want to insist on certain perceived "rights" to discriminate. 

Quote:
Civil war is coming if the stupid politicians and their bum chums keep on down this path.


It is interesting the High Court confirmed 'land rights', instead of confirming the right of everyone to a home. 



Disappeared ? FFS you wanker I don't have to sit here all day responding to you repetitious shyte about a GAP.
..

proving yourself to be the ultimate example of a "deplorable": even the Nats are insisting the Yes supporters explain how the voice will close the gap. 

Quote:
As I've said to you before the gap is the vacuum between your ears.

In 60 years & hundreds of billions of dollars spent ... people/experts ... all on a higher pay grade than I've ever been on have been working out schemes & programs, having enquiries, implementing strategies....... that to this day still fail to remedy the situation.

I can see that it should be a 2 way street ...


Wow.....getting that out of you - is like extracting water from a stone...

Quote:
but it never is .... the luvvies & bleeding hearts won't allow it ....


Rather the ideologues like John Howard who cancelled the CDEP won't allow it.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14427591.1993.9686379

The success of CDEP is dependent on these organisations which provide culturally appropriate employment, which includes the CDEP scheme. A recent review (note: in 2011) of the CDEP scheme indicated that 71% of Aboriginal communities surveyed considered that CDEP was helpful in meeting the goals of the community and 82% considered that community members were better off under the scheme

Quote:
they want to preserve Aboriginals as primitives in a National Zoo.


There will  always be some cultural warriors in any culture.

Quote:
Self loathing, guilt tripping, patronising, mollycoddling & for ever pandering & making excuses.


..and John Howard's deplorable neoliberal market ideology. 

Quote:
You go close to fitting that bill.


feel free to show how I fit that bill (even closely).



Well dipstick .... the voice will not close your gap.


Are you dementing? That has been my argument all along.

Quote:
So tell us what WILL close the gap.


You ARE dementing, or too ignorant/lazy to even read the words you quoted above:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14427591.1993.9686379

What it means to get off sit‐down money: Community development employment projects (CDEP)
Heather Jensen
Pages 12-18 | Published online: 26 Sep 2011

Note: this study was made after PM Howard, following inadequate Thatcherite orthodoxy, began dismantling the CDEP schemes, to the dismay of its participants.

Quote:
If you so full of answers why haven't you solved the problem?.... as I said there have 60 yeaars of people & experts higher than yours or my pay grades that haven't done it.


Er.. I haven't been PM; and unfortunately economics is a contested field, not a science.

Hence the CDEP was born in the late Keynesian 'welfare state' era  (in 1977), but cancelled (in the 2000s) in the current Thatcherite neoliberal era.

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When are you stepping up to the plate Casey?

Beyond that you're just a prattling ideologue.


At least I'm pointing to the real problems behind the gap, rather than just brainlessly asserting there is no gap, or content with saying "it's their fault".



Just phuk off .. you actually have nothing

& you call me demented? Grin


Not me - I'm just adding to the quote upon quote so nobody can read it......
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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #77 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 8:10pm  
Ah - Aborassic Park - the Zoo.... only the True Recalcitrants go to Gondwanamo Bay for re-education and possible........ re-settlement...

The Commo Pale Ass Chick in Queenslund has already given them a huge swathe up north in Cape York - where they once mooted the idea of a rocket launch facility... rough and steamy and filled with snakes and crocs... be ideal for Aborassic Park...

If the governments keep giving them mega chunks of land there will be none left... now - are they earning a living out of it or still got their hands out for the handouts?

Look down - idyllic innit?  Apart from the snakes and wobegongs and drop bears... crocs .. lift the ban on hunting them and it's handbags galore... self-funding Indigenous... there's a first for everything.
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Reply #78 - Apr 9th, 2023 at 7:25am  
Once given land back.Said aboriginals whe were granted said land should be immediately cut off from any pension, welfare or additional aid.

Its only fair, you got the land, make it work.
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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #79 - Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:26am  
Gnads wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:29pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 8:55pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 6:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 2:08pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 1:43pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:41am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:58am:
NO!  So why is this given to one minority group here?  Because they cry louder, are the only ones who even get a say, and have the ear of the supplicant and stupid media?[


I asked Gnads and he disappeared; what is his proposal to close the gap...he might assist the Nats in their concerns that a voice won't close the gap.

Quote:
The spiritual aspects of all of those things are for everyone - not just the province of a small group.  This is nothing more than an example of the profligate use of land to sustain a transient hunter gatherer society that has long been overturned by civilisation.


Yes, 'culture' dies hard: some Christians want to insist on certain perceived "rights" to discriminate. 

Quote:
Civil war is coming if the stupid politicians and their bum chums keep on down this path.


It is interesting the High Court confirmed 'land rights', instead of confirming the right of everyone to a home. 



Disappeared ? FFS you wanker I don't have to sit here all day responding to you repetitious shyte about a GAP.
..

proving yourself to be the ultimate example of a "deplorable": even the Nats are insisting the Yes supporters explain how the voice will close the gap. 

Quote:
As I've said to you before the gap is the vacuum between your ears.

In 60 years & hundreds of billions of dollars spent ... people/experts ... all on a higher pay grade than I've ever been on have been working out schemes & programs, having enquiries, implementing strategies....... that to this day still fail to remedy the situation.

I can see that it should be a 2 way street ...


Wow.....getting that out of you - is like extracting water from a stone...

Quote:
but it never is .... the luvvies & bleeding hearts won't allow it ....


Rather the ideologues like John Howard who cancelled the CDEP won't allow it.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14427591.1993.9686379

The success of CDEP is dependent on these organisations which provide culturally appropriate employment, which includes the CDEP scheme. A recent review (note: in 2011) of the CDEP scheme indicated that 71% of Aboriginal communities surveyed considered that CDEP was helpful in meeting the goals of the community and 82% considered that community members were better off under the scheme

Quote:
they want to preserve Aboriginals as primitives in a National Zoo.


There will  always be some cultural warriors in any culture.

Quote:
Self loathing, guilt tripping, patronising, mollycoddling & for ever pandering & making excuses.


..and John Howard's deplorable neoliberal market ideology. 

Quote:
You go close to fitting that bill.


feel free to show how I fit that bill (even closely).



Well dipstick .... the voice will not close your gap.


Are you dementing? That has been my argument all along.

Quote:
So tell us what WILL close the gap.


You ARE dementing, or too ignorant/lazy to even read the words you quoted above:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14427591.1993.9686379

What it means to get off sit‐down money: Community development employment projects (CDEP)
Heather Jensen
Pages 12-18 | Published online: 26 Sep 2011

Note: this study was made after PM Howard, following inadequate Thatcherite orthodoxy, began dismantling the CDEP schemes, to the dismay of its participants.

Quote:
If you so full of answers why haven't you solved the problem?.... as I said there have 60 yeaars of people & experts higher than yours or my pay grades that haven't done it.


Er.. I haven't been PM; and unfortunately economics is a contested field, not a science.

Hence the CDEP was born in the late Keynesian 'welfare state' era  (in 1977), but cancelled (in the 2000s) in the current Thatcherite neoliberal era.

Quote:
When are you stepping up to the plate Casey?

Beyond that you're just a prattling ideologue.


At least I'm pointing to the real problems behind the gap, rather than just brainlessly asserting there is no gap, or content with saying "it's their fault".



Just phuk off .. you actually have nothing




Er .....the study I pointed to, which you quoted but are

1. too lazy to read and comment on
2. incapable of reading it


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& you call me demented? Grin


Ignoring quoted material in a debate may be a sign  of dementia, though more likely you, like Boris, are just another particularly nasty example of a 'RW deplorable'.
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Reply #80 - Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:34am  
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 8:05pm:
Not me - I'm just adding to the quote upon quote so nobody can read it......


So rather than commenting on the essential points re the voice and the gap, eg

A recent review (note: in 2011) of the CDEP scheme indicated that 71% of Aboriginal communities surveyed considered that CDEP was helpful in meeting the goals of the community and 82% considered that community members were better off under the scheme

... you are content to merely obfuscate with "...so nobody can read it". 

"Deplorable"..
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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #81 - Apr 9th, 2023 at 7:12pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:26am:
Gnads wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:29pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 8:55pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 6:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 2:08pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 1:43pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 11:41am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:58am:
NO!  So why is this given to one minority group here?  Because they cry louder, are the only ones who even get a say, and have the ear of the supplicant and stupid media?[


I asked Gnads and he disappeared; what is his proposal to close the gap...he might assist the Nats in their concerns that a voice won't close the gap.

Quote:
The spiritual aspects of all of those things are for everyone - not just the province of a small group.  This is nothing more than an example of the profligate use of land to sustain a transient hunter gatherer society that has long been overturned by civilisation.


Yes, 'culture' dies hard: some Christians want to insist on certain perceived "rights" to discriminate. 

Quote:
Civil war is coming if the stupid politicians and their bum chums keep on down this path.


It is interesting the High Court confirmed 'land rights', instead of confirming the right of everyone to a home. 



Disappeared ? FFS you wanker I don't have to sit here all day responding to you repetitious shyte about a GAP.
..

proving yourself to be the ultimate example of a "deplorable": even the Nats are insisting the Yes supporters explain how the voice will close the gap. 

Quote:
As I've said to you before the gap is the vacuum between your ears.

In 60 years & hundreds of billions of dollars spent ... people/experts ... all on a higher pay grade than I've ever been on have been working out schemes & programs, having enquiries, implementing strategies....... that to this day still fail to remedy the situation.

I can see that it should be a 2 way street ...


Wow.....getting that out of you - is like extracting water from a stone...

Quote:
but it never is .... the luvvies & bleeding hearts won't allow it ....


Rather the ideologues like John Howard who cancelled the CDEP won't allow it.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14427591.1993.9686379

The success of CDEP is dependent on these organisations which provide culturally appropriate employment, which includes the CDEP scheme. A recent review (note: in 2011) of the CDEP scheme indicated that 71% of Aboriginal communities surveyed considered that CDEP was helpful in meeting the goals of the community and 82% considered that community members were better off under the scheme

Quote:
they want to preserve Aboriginals as primitives in a National Zoo.


There will  always be some cultural warriors in any culture.

Quote:
Self loathing, guilt tripping, patronising, mollycoddling & for ever pandering & making excuses.


..and John Howard's deplorable neoliberal market ideology. 

Quote:
You go close to fitting that bill.


feel free to show how I fit that bill (even closely).



Well dipstick .... the voice will not close your gap.


Are you dementing? That has been my argument all along.

Quote:
So tell us what WILL close the gap.


You ARE dementing, or too ignorant/lazy to even read the words you quoted above:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14427591.1993.9686379

What it means to get off sit‐down money: Community development employment projects (CDEP)
Heather Jensen
Pages 12-18 | Published online: 26 Sep 2011

Note: this study was made after PM Howard, following inadequate Thatcherite orthodoxy, began dismantling the CDEP schemes, to the dismay of its participants.

Quote:
If you so full of answers why haven't you solved the problem?.... as I said there have 60 yeaars of people & experts higher than yours or my pay grades that haven't done it.


Er.. I haven't been PM; and unfortunately economics is a contested field, not a science.

Hence the CDEP was born in the late Keynesian 'welfare state' era  (in 1977), but cancelled (in the 2000s) in the current Thatcherite neoliberal era.

Quote:
When are you stepping up to the plate Casey?

Beyond that you're just a prattling ideologue.


At least I'm pointing to the real problems behind the gap, rather than just brainlessly asserting there is no gap, or content with saying "it's their fault".



Just phuk off .. you actually have nothing




Er .....the study I pointed to, which you quoted but are

1. too lazy to read and comment on
2. incapable of reading it


Quote:
& you call me demented? Grin


Ignoring quoted material in a debate may be a sign  of dementia, though more likely you, like Boris, are just another particularly nasty example of a 'RW deplorable'.


Just adding to the drift of the grift here.....
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Reply #82 - Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:03am  
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 7:12pm:
Just adding to the drift of the grift here.....


People like Boris and Gnads - who are content to say "f**ck off", after being shown scholarly articles examining  the disaster of welfare dependency - deserve contempt.
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Reply #83 - Apr 10th, 2023 at 1:41pm  
Well - they're not forcing anyone into welfare dependency, are they?  They're always the first commenting on it being a bad thing.

Now get out there and force them Kaffirs to get to work... and BTW .... there has been a massive intrusion of healthcare into the Terr'uh'tree - will this one be called an Intervention and vilified as well?  If it was raining silver bricks they'd be whining it isn't gold...... but they'd demand royalties anyway ......
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Reply #84 - Apr 10th, 2023 at 2:52pm  
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 1:41pm:
Well - they're not forcing anyone into welfare dependency, are they?  They're always the first commenting on it being a bad thing.


They are complicit in a system which forces welfare dependency on those who are unable to find work in the market-based economy.

Their basic thesis is: "abos are no-hopers", and when  it's pointed out that life is more complicated than that, they resort to ad hominems.

Interestingly, FD actually agreed with my proposition that welfare dependency IS enforced on, not "chosen" by,  the long-term unemployed, in the thread he started under the heading:  'the wrong referendum':

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1680909737/24

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TGD: "So you deny the obvious fact welfare dependency is forced onto people, not 'chosen' by them?"

FD: "I actually agree with you, at least in this context."

But apparently FD soon realized this stance was incompatible with his "freedom" ideology, because there- after he back-tracked furiously.

His last reply to me (sneakily, at the bottom of #38, in a reply to another poster) yesterday was an outright lie, when he claimed he had responded (to my post #36) "many times".

And though he has appeared again on Ozpol today, he dared not visit his own "wrong referendum" thread.... out of sheer guilty conscience, no doubt.

That's slippery FD for all to see, again, in full flight.   

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Now get out there and force them Kaffirs to get to work... and BTW ....


It might pay you to have a chat with FD, and see why he agreed with me (initially, then ran away as fast as he could..)  that welfare, not work,  is forced on people; and that people choose paid work, not welfare, aka "sit down money"...the contempt expressed in that phrase alone, is palpable.


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there has been a massive intrusion of healthcare into the Terr'uh'tree - will this one be called an Intervention and vilified as well?  If it was raining silver bricks they'd be whining it isn't gold...... but they'd demand royalties anyway ......


Addressed in another thread; primary health care practiced in functional communities with self-aware  healthy lifestyle  choices, is much more effective/preventative than secondary health care to pick up the pieces in dysfunctional, unhealthy  communities, as at present.
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Reply #85 - Apr 11th, 2023 at 6:20pm  
What does the guest of Andrew Bolt say?

Donald Thomas Brash (born 24 September 1940) is a former New Zealand politician who was Leader of the Opposition and leader of the New Zealand National Party from October 2003 to November 2006, and briefly the leader of ACT New Zealand from April to November 2011.


VIDEO  6 minutes:

https://www.facebook.com/SkyNewsAustralia/videos/190369860426166/
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Reply #86 - Apr 11th, 2023 at 6:39pm  
Bobby. wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 6:20pm:
What does the guest of Andrew Bolt say?



Who gives a bugger what any guest of his says?
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Reply #87 - Apr 11th, 2023 at 6:47pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 2:52pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 1:41pm:
Well - they're not forcing anyone into welfare dependency, are they?  They're always the first commenting on it being a bad thing.


They are complicit in a system which forces welfare dependency on those who are unable to find work in the market-based economy.

Their basic thesis is: "abos are no-hopers", and when  it's pointed out that life is more complicated than that, they resort to ad hominems.

Interestingly, FD actually agreed with my proposition that welfare dependency IS enforced on, not "chosen" by,  the long-term unemployed, in the thread he started under the heading:  'the wrong referendum':

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1680909737/24

#10

TGD: "So you deny the obvious fact welfare dependency is forced onto people, not 'chosen' by them?"

FD: "I actually agree with you, at least in this context."

But apparently FD soon realized this stance was incompatible with his "freedom" ideology, because there- after he back-tracked furiously.

His last reply to me (sneakily, at the bottom of #38, in a reply to another poster) yesterday was an outright lie, when he claimed he had responded (to my post #36) "many times".

And though he has appeared again on Ozpol today, he dared not visit his own "wrong referendum" thread.... out of sheer guilty conscience, no doubt.

That's slippery FD for all to see, again, in full flight.   

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Now get out there and force them Kaffirs to get to work... and BTW ....


It might pay you to have a chat with FD, and see why he agreed with me (initially, then ran away as fast as he could..)  that welfare, not work,  is forced on people; and that people choose paid work, not welfare, aka "sit down money"...the contempt expressed in that phrase alone, is palpable.


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there has been a massive intrusion of healthcare into the Terr'uh'tree - will this one be called an Intervention and vilified as well?  If it was raining silver bricks they'd be whining it isn't gold...... but they'd demand royalties anyway ......


Addressed in another thread; primary health care practiced in functional communities with self-aware  healthy lifestyle  choices, is much more effective/preventative than secondary health care to pick up the pieces in dysfunctional, unhealthy  communities, as at present.


Well a Hoper would move to where jobs are, train for them, apply for them, make a real effort, and not be a recalcitrant and hold out for a better deal for doing nothing... so I guess your word 'no-hoper' is apt.

Lots of other people did it... many still do in a diminishing jobs market.

" primary health care practiced in functional communities with self-aware  healthy lifestyle  choices, is much more effective/preventative than secondary health care to pick up the pieces in dysfunctional, unhealthy  communities, as at present."

Well - you'll have to force that on them too, cut down the booze and the violence and other stuff and you'll live longer...

The issue here isn't the current healthcare - it is that there has been, over the last few days, a fresh influx of healthcare workers to lift them by their bootstraps again... teach 'em the evils of alcohol and petrol and the dangers of prison from being an arsehole....

Another imposition on the budget of Fed and Terr'uh'tree, given that they already have the least cost effective and dollar intensieve healthcare in the world with private flights and everything else laid on and first class treatment at the pick-up of a phone - I'm not going to post it again for you all - try to keep up.

Better to move 'em all in and put 'em in Aborassic Park etc.... have a single health facility right there with armed guards ready to fight to keep the peace.  Cool
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Re: We lost Uluru - more to lose with a voice?
Reply #88 - Apr 11th, 2023 at 6:50pm  
John Smith wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 6:39pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 6:20pm:
What does the guest of Andrew Bolt say?



Who gives a bugger what any guest of his says?



he says what I say -

more to lose with a voice
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Reply #89 - Apr 11th, 2023 at 6:56pm  
It's the American Media's Voice (via it's ALP Media lapdogs)
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The already established Agency's Political voice.

What the Media is doing to this country is distabilising it.
Simple as that.
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