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Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:12pm
 
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/04/07/leaked-documents-us-nato-ukraine-war-plan/

Leaked documents expose US-NATO Ukraine war plans

Alexander Rubinstein·April 7, 2023



The leaked documents claim that Russia has sustained troop losses ranging from 16,000 to 17,500 while
Ukrainian losses amount to as many as 71,500 –
a staggering differential that stands at odds with the triumphalist narrative projected by Kiev.


They are dated March 1 2023 and appear to be part of an ongoing briefing effort to analyze the war’s progress and plan a Ukrainian counteroffensive.


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Classified Pentagon documents containing information about US and NATO plans for a Ukrainian offensive and key details of the ongoing war have leaked. And the Biden administration is reportedly demanding they be scrubbed from the internet. Is there a hidden agenda behind the leak?

The New York Times has reported “a significant breach of American intelligence in the effort to aid Ukraine” through the leak of classified documents which have been shared on social media. It correspondents cited “senior Biden administration officials” who apparently tipped the outlet off to the story. Documents circulating on Telegram which closely resemble those referred to by the Times are reproduced at the end of this article.


Leaked docs: Ukrainian killed in action outnumber Russians 4:1

Perhaps the most notable piece of information contained in the leaked documents relates to military death tolls, with Ukrainian and Russian losses estimated at about a 4:1 ratio. According to one document, 71,500 Ukrainian troops have been killed in action.

That figure is close to the 100,000 KIA’s cited by EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen in a November 2022 speech, before her comments were retracted. It also tracks closely with statements by one of Ukrainian President Vlodymyr Zelensky’s top advisers, Mykhailo Podolyak, who told the BBC in June of last year that Ukraine was losing between 100 and 200 soldiers per day (200 deaths per day over the course of 370 days between the launch of Russia’s military operation and the date of the documents would total 74,000.)

Other American and EU state officials have offered dramatically different figures placing Russian KIA’s over the six figure mark. For instance, Norway’s defense chief has charted 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers dead to Russia’s 180,000, while Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Miley asserted that Russian losses are “significantly well over 100,000.”




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Reply #1 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:13pm
 
I wouldn't be surprised in the least.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #2 - Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:17pm
 
Jasin wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:13pm:
I wouldn't be surprised in the least.



We may have been listening to a whole lot of propaganda lies -

the Ukrainians are being bled dry.
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Reply #3 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 2:37pm
 
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/07/politics/ukraine-documents/index.html


The documents could be altered:



Pentagon investigating alleged classified documents circulating
on social media of US and NATO intelligence on Ukraine


By Natasha Bertrand and Matthew Chance, CNN
Updated 11:25 AM EDT, Fri April 7, 2023




A third document is a map, listed as top secret, that shows the status of the conflict as of March 1. The map shows Russian and Ukrainian battalion locations and sizes, as well as total assessed losses on both sides. The casualty numbers on this document are what officials believe was doctored – the Russian losses are actually far higher than the “16,000-17,500 killed in action” listed on the document, officials said.

The document also says that 61,000-71,500 Ukrainians have been killed in action, a number that officials said also appeared edited to be higher than actual Pentagon estimates.

A fourth document is a weather projection from February, listed as Secret, that assesses where the ground may freeze in Ukraine in a way that would be favorable for vehicle maneuver.
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Reply #4 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 2:39pm
 
Anything involving the USA is dodgy.
Iraq with bu*llshit Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Vietnam
Korea
Afghanistan for going after just one man.

Now Ukraine. Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 2:42pm
 
Jasin wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 2:39pm:
Anything involving the USA is dodgy.
Iraq with bu*llshit Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Vietnam
Korea
Afghanistan for going after just one man.

Now Ukraine. Roll Eyes



The first casualty of war is the truth.
Both sides are lying through their teeth.
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Reply #6 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 4:54pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 2:42pm:
The first casualty of war is the truth.


If "the first casualty of war is the truth" is true, then it is not.
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Reply #7 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 5:52pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 4:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 2:42pm:
The first casualty of war is the truth.


If "the first casualty of war is the truth" is true, then it is not.

Huh? Huh
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Reply #8 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 6:32pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 4:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 2:42pm:
The first casualty of war is the truth.


If "the first casualty of war is the truth" is true, then it is not.



Too deep for the tinfoil hat mob... Grin
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Reply #9 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 6:39pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 6:32pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 4:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 2:42pm:
The first casualty of war is the truth.


If "the first casualty of war is the truth" is true, then it is not.



Too deep for the tinfoil hat mob... Grin

Tongue  Grin
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Reply #10 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 8:53pm
 
Yes Bobby. Russia actually won the war 8 years ago. The Ukrainian people are finally free.
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Reply #11 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 10:05pm
 
I don't believe any of the casualty estimations. We will not know the facts until the business is settled, one way or the other. However, for such an overwhelmingly superior force, Russian lack of success indicates huge losses.
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Reply #12 - Apr 8th, 2023 at 11:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 8:53pm:
Yes Bobby. Russia actually won the war 8 years ago. The Ukrainian people are finally free.



No one is happy about this war -
no one in Russia and no one in Ukraine -
no one in the world -
even Putin himself is not happy.
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Reply #13 - Apr 9th, 2023 at 10:32am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 11:06pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 8:53pm:
Yes Bobby. Russia actually won the war 8 years ago. The Ukrainian people are finally free.

No one is happy about this war -
no one in Russia and no one in Ukraine -
no one in the world -
even Putin himself is not happy.


Totally wrong.

Right now, the Anglo-Khazarian evil mafia is more than happy. They succeeded in the first phase of their usual divide-and-conquer Anglo imperial project. We must not forget that the Russians and the so-called "Ukrainians" are one and the same people who are currently killing each other.
This is how Anglo-Khazarians hope to weaken Russia, subjugate the Russian people and in the second phase conquer Russia. I think they have little chance of succeeding in this, since Russia is already successfully eliminating the cancer from its body called Ukrainian Nazism.
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Reply #14 - Apr 9th, 2023 at 10:35am
 
athos wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 10:32am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 11:06pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 8:53pm:
Yes Bobby. Russia actually won the war 8 years ago. The Ukrainian people are finally free.

No one is happy about this war -
no one in Russia and no one in Ukraine -
no one in the world -
even Putin himself is not happy.


Totally wrong.

Right now, the Anglo-Khazarian evil mafia is more than happy. They succeeded in the first phase of their usual divide-and-conquer Anglo imperial project. We must not forget that the Russians and the so-called "Ukrainians" are one and the same people who are currently killing each other.
This is how Anglo-Khazarians hope to weaken Russia, subjugate the Russian people and in the second phase conquer Russia. I think they have little chance of succeeding in this, since Russia is already successfully eliminating the cancer from its body called Ukrainian Nazism.



Nonsense -
Macron was just in China only days ago begging Xi to
try and get Putin to stop the crazy war.

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