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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #30 - Apr 13^th, 2023 at 7:48pm

JC Denton wrote on Apr 13^th, 2023 at 12:20pm:

issuevoter wrote on Apr 13^th, 2023 at 6:26am:

JC Denton wrote on Apr 13^th, 2023 at 3:03am:

dont believe the MoD statements on either side

russian KIA are somewhere in the ballpark of about 20k-30k

ukrainian around 80-120K

And why should we believe you?

bc those are the most realistic numbers based on independent assessments, especially on the russian side

russian number comes from mediazona, a bbc adjacent organisation that ascertains casualty figures based on things like russian cemetery data

ukrainian numbers are based on extrapolations of firepower on each side, etc, ukraine doesn't let independent orgs operate in its country like russia does however

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49574 At my desk.	Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses? Reply #31 - Apr 14^th, 2023 at 6:43am Russia is just pretending it cannot defeat one of its tiny neighbours. Don't fall for it.
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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #32 - Apr 14^th, 2023 at 9:59am

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65269975

Jack Teixeira: National Guard airman arrested over leaked Pentagon documents

Published

35 minutes ago

A 21-year-old US Air Force National Guard member has been arrested over the leak of classified documents.

Jack Teixeira

is reported to be the leader of an online gaming chat group where the files were leaked.

US officials said he will be charged under the Espionage Act, which makes it a crime to transmit classified defence information.

The documents revealed sensitive intelligence about the war in Ukraine and other countries around the world.

Aerial footage showed officers making an arrest at Mr Teixeira's family home on Thursday.

The arrest happened in Dighton, a town of 8,000 people about an hour to the south of Boston.

Footage of the arrest shows a young man, believed to be Mr Teixeira, walking backward towards armed FBI officers with his hands raised before he is handcuffed and led to a car.

He is expected to make his first court appearance for an arraignment in Boston on Friday.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 107515 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses? Reply #33 - Apr 14^th, 2023 at 10:42am
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 107515 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses? Reply #34 - Apr 14^th, 2023 at 12:55pm Tucker says it's a crime - it's not authorised by Congress. https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/135/175/099/playable/cc97d5...
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 107515 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses? Reply #35 - Apr 14^th, 2023 at 2:52pm The question is - why was a 21 year old serviceman given access to such secret documents? Also - can they hang him for treason?
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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #36 - Apr 15^th, 2023 at 9:06am

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/14/politics/classified-leaks-suspect-arraignment...

Suspect charged in Pentagon documents leak case

Hannah Rabinowitz Jeremy Herb
By Hannah Rabinowitz and Jeremy Herb, CNN
Updated 3:22 PM EDT, Fri April 14, 2023

Worked in IT in Air National Guard

Teixeira was an Airman First Class in the Massachusetts Air National Guard, where he worked as a low-ranking IT official.

In his role as a Cyber Transport Systems journeyman, Teixeria would have been working on a network that carried highly classified information, according to a defense official, which is why he needed a security clearance.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 107515 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses? Reply #37 - Apr 16^th, 2023 at 11:04am
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 50084 Gender:	Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses? Reply #38 - Apr 16^th, 2023 at 12:32pm Maxwell called Biden 'smokin Joe' when he paid his visits.
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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #40 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 3:11pm

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Has Ukraine lied about their losses?

This was from the only document that Fox Propaganda used. Turns out the the numbers on it had been altered to make Russian losses look good and Ukrainian losses to look bad.

It was all BS. The leaked report had been altered by a pro Russia woman in the middle of the leak process.

Ukraine didn't lie about losses as you would expect Fox broadcast the lie.

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Reply #41 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:05pm

ukraine have suffered enormous losses.
this is a WW1 trench warfare fight with russia lobbing artillery shells by the gazillion.
how could their losses not be in the 100's of 1000's.

all will be revealed shortly when they fall back to kiev.

it was always going to end this way.

the last 12 months have been great for arms producers but a catastrophe for 17 yo ukranian men

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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #42 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:10pm

aquascoot wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:05pm:

ukraine have suffered enormous losses.
this is a WW1 trench warfare fight with russia lobbing artillery shells by the gazillion.
how could their losses not be in the 100's of 1000's.

all will be revealed shortly when they fall back to kiev.

it was always going to end this way.

the last 12 months have been great for arms producers but a catastrophe for 17 yo ukranian men

The Ukrainians would have been better off to surrender on the first day.
Why should 100s of 1000s of them die to protect Europe?
NATO should have stepped in to help them with ALL their assets
by the first week of the war.

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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #43 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:14pm

aquascoot wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:05pm:

ukraine have suffered enormous losses.
this is a WW1 trench warfare fight with russia lobbing artillery shells by the gazillion.
how could their losses not be in the 100's of 1000's.

all will be revealed shortly when they fall back to kiev.

it was always going to end this way.

the last 12 months have been great for arms producers but a catastrophe for 17 yo ukranian men

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ukraine have suffered enormous losses.

Yes but so have Russia.

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Re: Has Ukraine lied about their losses?
Reply #44 - Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:15pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:10pm:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 18^th, 2023 at 8:05pm:

ukraine have suffered enormous losses.
this is a WW1 trench warfare fight with russia lobbing artillery shells by the gazillion.
how could their losses not be in the 100's of 1000's.

all will be revealed shortly when they fall back to kiev.

it was always going to end this way.

the last 12 months have been great for arms producers but a catastrophe for 17 yo ukranian men

The Ukrainians would have been better off to surrender on the first day.
Why should 100s of 1000s of them die to protect Europe?
NATO should have stepped in to help them with ALL their assets
by the first week of the war.

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Why should 100s of 1000s of them die to protect Europe?

They are protecting Ukraine from evil bstds.

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